WOWOWOWOWOW how crazy
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P3knF_2HI0I
So $1 left and $250 spin is 1/250 chance?
Also, your going to have a lot of $1 bills that would make a stripper happy.
That's bulky in a wallet altho not so much in a purse
Quote: billryanIsn't it like buying $1 scratch offs, with the only prize being $250?
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Well, normally, on a 250 bet, you get the same odds on the wager saver when your remaining amount is less but that is AFTER playing at leasrt 1 250 bet.
Can you just put a dollar in and hit the dollar play betting wager button instead of 25cents? I never tried it, but I guess that's what's she's doing.
edit, I think it's the 1 penny x 100 wager or something.
1cent,2,5,10,50, 1$, 2$, I think betting options times a multiplier
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Option A: Play the machine at $7.50 a spin with regular machine payouts.
Option B- Play $1 a spin and hope for the $250 prize.
Option B doesn't have to be profitable; it just needs to lose less overall.
Is that the case here?
Quote: billryanIsn't it like buying $1 scratch offs, with the only prize being $250?
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It's more like paying 5 cents, and one out of twenty times, you get a $1 scratcher ticket that is still more likely to lose than win.
Quote: billryanSuppose I walk into the casino with five stacks worth $500.
Option A: Play the machine at $7.50 a spin with regular machine payouts.
Option B- Play $1 a spin and hope for the $250 prize.
Option B doesn't have to be profitable; it just needs to lose less overall.
Is that the case here?
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No. You're essentially parlaying the $1 "dragon" (wager saver) bet with a single slot spin. You need to win both legs to get a prize.
Each dollar you bet still has a 249/250 chance of losing, multiplied by the already unspectacular chances of winning a slot spin.
Quote: billryanSuppose I walk into the casino with five stacks worth $500.
Option A: Play the machine at $7.50 a spin with regular machine payouts.
Option B- Play $1 a spin and hope for the $250 prize.
Option B doesn't have to be profitable; it just needs to lose less overall.
Is that the case here?
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Maybe I'm wrong but the minimum big prize is actually 10k. She's playing for the Grand jackpot even with the dollar spin. That's the way I understand the play.
That's why I compared it to playing the powerball for a nickel. Each nickel could win the powerball but odds are even worse. If it was just a low regular bet it would be like every other play where you lower the bet and the prize also lowers. Here you're raising the odds against hitting it.
The wager saver plays like a full size bet. On many machines there is virtual spinner. It shows a pie chart. In her case the green area you need to hit with that random spin would just be a tiny sliver of the whole pie.
Many of the wager savers play all the other lower payouts as well,
As for putting in $1 for a single $250 spin, it's a novel idea and I would favor it for like ten tries if you have no money left. But the more I watch these games, $10 would be better spent at 50 cents a spin.
Quote: KevinAAIf someone fills up the can with $1 bills, slots is going to be angry.
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I can't imagine how someone filling the stacker with singles being invited not to play is a bad thing.
Yeah. The machines are "thinking" in pennies, so they take all the pennies you own and divide that by the number of pennies you want to bet. If the random number is smaller than your number, you get a spin. If not, you lose.Quote: 100xOddsIsn't the odds of hitting that last chance spin proportional?
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You are losing the same amount*, but with massive variance. You are running the game through a lottery where you have a 1/250 chance of getting a chance at a playing for a prize. There will be massive runs where you never catch a single spin.Quote: billryanOption B doesn't have to be profitable; it just needs to lose less overall.
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let [bank, cost, sessions] = [1.0, 250.0, 10000000];
let [wins, streak, bestStreak, worstStreak, last] = [0, 0, 0, 0, ''];
for (let i = 0; i < sessions; i++) {
let won = Math.random() < (bank / cost);
wins += won ? 1 : 0;
if (won === last) {
streak++;
} else {
if (last) bestStreak = Math.max(bestStreak, streak);
if (!last) worstStreak = Math.max(worstStreak, streak);
streak = 1;
last = won;
}
}
console.log(wins, wins/sessions, bestStreak, worstStreak);
40023, 0.0040023, 2, 2546
*You are potentially getting a better RTP here. Though, your true n will be very, very small. Confidence interval will stretch from here to moon.
Quote: ChumpChangeI wouldn't expect the wager saver bet to have a house edge, but the spins you win will have the house edge. But only playing the wager saver when you have a better than 50% chance of winning it is like making a double down bet in BJ, you have an advantage at that point. Some players just want to leave the game with 0 credits because cashing small TITOs is beyond their laziness. So they'll keep hitting the wager saver as long as it pops up. They win a partial bet amount on their free spin and they get another wager saver try. This could go on a few times and unless they hit a bonus round, it will end very soon.
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I believe TITO was why these came into existence. It makes sense for the customer and the casino.
Quote: JoemanDoes the "wager saver" bet necessarily have no house edge? Can the edge be adjusted by the manufacturer or casino? I don't play these slots often enough to be too familiar with the rules, but it seems to me that unless it is explicitly stated, the "wager saver" bet could carry an edge as high as applicable law would allow.
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All the instances I've seen have offered true odds on the wager saver.
All your remaining credits are risked at the current bet level, with a chance to win of (credits / bet size), and if you win the spin, you get a full value spin.
All that I've seen increase variance, but not house edge. (I seem to recall language on the screen when a wager saver is offered.)
I honestly don't know how progressives are handled. It seems reasonable to me that a progressive meter would only be incremented when a spin is awarded.
I believe she figured out nothing. It’s all factored in .Quote: jameswalkerClassic example of why low bet sizing works. At 1% of bankroll per round you can absorb 50+ crashes before it hurts. Most players do the opposite — bet big, hit a few crashes, panic. She figured out what takes most people months.
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Quote: DieterQuote: KevinAAIf someone fills up the can with $1 bills, slots is going to be angry.
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I can't imagine how someone filling the stacker with singles being invited not to play is a bad thing.
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True. If it were up to me, I would make the machines offer wager saver only if a full bet has been placed since the last time the credit balance was zero.
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Quote: KevinAAQuote: DieterQuote: KevinAAIf someone fills up the can with $1 bills, slots is going to be angry.
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I can't imagine how someone filling the stacker with singles being invited not to play is a bad thing.
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True. If it were up to me, I would make the machines offer wager saver only if a full bet has been placed since the last time the credit balance was zero.
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Or not allow the machines to accept $1 bills.
(Some casinos do that to save on Labor on the number of times it needs to empty the machine cash box per week
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: KevinAAQuote: DieterQuote: KevinAAIf someone fills up the can with $1 bills, slots is going to be angry.
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I can't imagine how someone filling the stacker with singles being invited not to play is a bad thing.
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True. If it were up to me, I would make the machines offer wager saver only if a full bet has been placed since the last time the credit balance was zero.
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Or not allow the machines to accept $1 bills.
(Some casinos do that to save on Labor on the number of times it needs to empty the machine cash box per week
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I'm just envisioning applying this logic to a table game.
"Sir, the table minimum is ten dollars; we cannot allow buy-ins with twenties."
What's stupid is for people to shove in a bunch of dollar bills into a high limit machine with a 1,000 note can. The cost of labor to do an e-drop and the lost time on a high limit machine is way more than a dollar.
High rollers typically have $1,000 slot TITO's. I don't know where they get them, probably from slot jackpot payouts.
Quote: ChumpChangeFrom what I can tell, the casino empties the cash drops from every machine every night. Now if I bring in 50 or 100 $1 bills, I could go to the cage and have them give me bigger bills, or I could drop them in the machine so I don't have the cage involved. It just takes 10 minutes of play time to put them all in the machine with a high risk of a paper jam. I always have to call for service if there's a paper jam in the machine. After enough of that, I'm going to take my chances with the cage instead.
High rollers typically have $1,000 slot TITO's. I don't know where they get them, probably from slot jackpot payouts.
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One of the approaches I've seen is to feed cash into unpopular machines and cash out $1000 tickets.
This can be important if you're playing faster than $1/second, and purchased tickets are not available from the cage.
Quote: ChumpChangeFrom what I can tell, the casino empties the cash drops from every machine every night. Now if I bring in 50 or 100 $1 bills, I could go to the cage and have them give me bigger bills, or I could drop them in the machine so I don't have the cage involved. It just takes 10 minutes of play time to put them all in the machine with a high risk of a paper jam. I always have to call for service if there's a paper jam in the machine. After enough of that, I'm going to take my chances with the cage instead.
High rollers typically have $1,000 slot TITO's. I don't know where they get them, probably from slot jackpot payouts.
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Speaking of high rollers having 1,000 TITO's, a high roller said he had $1,000 in his slot machine and all of a sudden had to use the restroom REALLY badly so he ran to the restroom forgetting to take his $1,000 out of the slot. He was using the restroom when he realized in horror that he left $1,000 unattended in a slot machine. After using the restroom he raced back to the slot and the $1,000 was gone! 😱😳
He asked Casino Staff Members to track down his missing TITO and Casino Staff Members traced it to some idiot who was gambling with the stolen money on another machine.
The high roller and the Casino Staff Members confronted the thieving idiot who at first claimed that the money he was gambling with was his own money that he walked in with and Casino Staff Members told him they saw him on camera cashing out the high roller's $1,000 TITO and walking to the slot he was playing at currently.
The thieving idiot FINALLY admitted he took the $1,000 because he NEEDED the money and the slot was technically abandoned(Though it wasn't abandoned on purpose, it was just temporarily forgotten to be cashed out when the high roller suddenly needed to use the restroom.)when he took the $1,000 TITO. The Casino Staff Members forced the thieving idiot to cash out and give the high roller the TITO and any money the thieving idiot as already lost was given to him in free play and the thieving idiot was permanently trespassed from the Casino. 💡
