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January 10th, 2024 at 8:41:18 AM permalink
There is 2 sites I have found that give 50 FREE Spins daily. After about 10 days of busting out, I finally had some luck. 3 big wins allowed me to clear off the 10x wager requirement and finish with $72.00. The max win cap on free spins is $50, so I won too much :)

I am going through the verification and withdrawal process now. They says could take up to 5 business days. I'll update this on the results.

Below is the 2 sites I found are:

https://casinoextreme.eu/

https://casinobrango.com/

Best of Luck
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January 10th, 2024 at 9:06:34 AM permalink
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There is 2 sites I have found that give 50 FREE Spins daily. After about 10 days of busting out, I finally had some luck. 3 big wins allowed me to clear off the 10x wager requirement and finish with $72.00. The max win cap on free spins is $50, so I won too much :)

I am going through the verification and withdrawal process now. They says could take up to 5 business days. I'll update this on the results.

Below is the 2 sites I found are:

https://casinoextreme.eu/

https://casinobrango.com/

Best of Luck
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Let us know how it goes.

I didn't look at the second one you listed, but for the first one listed (and I suspect the second is similar) one term says that they won't let you withdraw without making a verification deposit, so they may ask for you to do that. If they do ask for that, then it's up to you whether or not to do so, but I probably wouldn't, because they also have this term:

The Casino offers bonuses as an incentive for players. The bonuses are not intended to give away free money to players classified as “bonus hunters” or “bonus abusers”. The Casino management will review all player accounts, and classify them based on the respective account’s Bonus to Deposits ratio. Once a Player is classified as a “bonus hunter” or “bonus abuser”, future bonuses and promotions will be restricted. The Casino encourages Players to participate in promotions, but to refrain from abusing them. If a Player is found to have a record of promotional abuse or fraud (charge-backs) at our Casino, the Player’s Account will have their future bonuses and promotions restricted.

With that, I think it's highly possible that they will refuse to pay you because your deposit/bonus ratio is $0:NonZeroEquivalent.

Also:

Only one free promotion may be redeemed between bonus-free deposits.

Here's another term that I find very interesting; it has nothing to do with you, but:

While playing with an active bonus, it is forbidden to engage in activities that give the player a clearly unfair advantage. Such activities include, but are not limited to, these:

• delaying game rounds in any game, including free spins and bonus features, to a later time when you have no wagering requirements,
• leaving large bets on the table, for example in blackjack, and returning to the game after bonus wagering has been completed,
• playing games with bonus money to build up in-game value, lose the bonus funds, and then cash out on the built-up value during real-money play,
• using strategies that take advantage of any software bug or failure


This is an interesting term for them to put in there and shows more foresight than I'd have given them credit for, unless they've already been hit before. One assumes they have variable state games, but if not, perhaps they just copied these terms from a casino that does.

The angle they are trying to prevent (that only works if Wagering Requirements are dropped after a player runs out of money + bonus funds to begin with) is that they don't want savvy players using bonus funds (and the deposit to get said funds) to build up game states, on various bet levels, of a variable-state game and then losing the bonus funds and deposit.

That might seem confusing---a casino that doesn't want the player to lose? Why?

The reason is because, the wagering requirements (I presume) having been dropped from the old bonus, the player can now make a new deposit and play the variable state game (that they have pumped into an advantageous state) with new money such that the expectation is so great as to exceed the loss from taking the other bonus and using those funds (plus the first deposit) to set up the situations (on multiple bet levels and games) that are hugely advantageous to begin with.

The angle is that the player knows (getting lucky aside) that they will probably lose all of the first bonus and deposit, but then they will come back with a new deposit and make profits such as to exceed the losses taken on the first deposit they made. In the meantime, they'll also get around the (presumably high) wagering requirements on a deposit bonus.

In this case, their deposit bonus Wagering Requirements don't seem terribly high, except some of their promotions do seem to restrict how much money (relative to the deposit) you can actually withdraw, 'Max Winnings.' That being the case, perhaps the angle is to set up the situations with the huge amount of bonus money they give (1000%) and then come back with a different deposit after setting all the games up the right way such that players can take advantage of the huge bonus, but at the same time, basically get around that withdrawal cap relative to the deposit.

In the case of this casino, it doesn't look like they have too many variable state games (at first glance) but with enough/high enough bet amounts allowed, it might only take one game to make this huge.

I imagine there have been casinos out there somewhere getting smacked around with this sort of setup offering huge bonus multiples (relative to deposit) and variable state games. I'd never actually thought of that angle before, but as soon as I saw the term, I understood the angle.
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Krispy519
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January 10th, 2024 at 10:25:01 AM permalink
Wow, that is some great insights. Hopefully you type at 120 words a minute, as I didn't want to take too much of your time trying to educate me. I did see the you get the bonus once per deposit, we'll see how that goes.

Thank you for taking the time to give an elaborate and detailed description of your findings.
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January 10th, 2024 at 10:58:30 AM permalink
Quote: Krispy519

Wow, that is some great insights. Hopefully you type at 120 words a minute, as I didn't want to take too much of your time trying to educate me. I did see the you get the bonus once per deposit, we'll see how that goes.

Thank you for taking the time to give an elaborate and detailed description of your findings.
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You’re welcome; I don’t mind spending the time; it’s my job. I don’t type at 120, but I’m reasonably fast.
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January 10th, 2024 at 12:42:35 PM permalink
I'm not sure the exact speed, but it's quick.
I think Mission types faster than my daughter can text.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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January 10th, 2024 at 4:46:33 PM permalink
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I'm not sure the exact speed, but it's quick.
I think Mission types faster than my daughter can text.
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Would you be concerned or excited to find out that your daughter is texting Mission?
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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January 10th, 2024 at 6:53:17 PM permalink
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Quote: Dieter

I'm not sure the exact speed, but it's quick.
I think Mission types faster than my daughter can text.
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Would you be concerned or excited to find out that your daughter is texting Mission?
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My fiancées dad would probably prefer his daughter not be texting Mission. Nobody wants their kid to be texting Mission; much better they just get into drugs, instead.

This joke is obviously not specifically about OnceDear’s daughter at all and might be a little dark, even for me.
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January 10th, 2024 at 7:08:14 PM permalink
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Quote: DRich

Quote: Dieter

I'm not sure the exact speed, but it's quick.
I think Mission types faster than my daughter can text.
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Would you be concerned or excited to find out that your daughter is texting Mission?
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My fiancées dad would probably prefer his daughter not be texting Mission. Nobody wants their kid to be texting Mission; much better they just get into drugs, instead.

This joke is obviously not specifically about OnceDear’s daughter at all and might be a little dark, even for me.

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I'd be worried for Mission more than daughter.
Nice that she's got others to help with math, tho.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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January 17th, 2024 at 1:01:10 AM permalink
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Quote: Krispy519

There is 2 sites I have found that give 50 FREE Spins daily. After about 10 days of busting out, I finally had some luck. 3 big wins allowed me to clear off the 10x wager requirement and finish with $72.00. The max win cap on free spins is $50, so I won too much :)

I am going through the verification and withdrawal process now. They says could take up to 5 business days. I'll update this on the results.

Below is the 2 sites I found are:

https://casinoextreme.eu/

https://casinobrango.com/

Best of Luck
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Let us know how it goes.

I didn't look at the second one you listed, but for the first one listed (and I suspect the second is similar) one term says that they won't let you withdraw without making a verification deposit, so they may ask for you to do that. If they do ask for that, then it's up to you whether or not to do so, but I probably wouldn't, because they also have this term:

The Casino offers bonuses as an incentive for players. The bonuses are not intended to give away free money to players classified as “bonus hunters” or “bonus abusers”. The Casino management will review all player accounts, and classify them based on the respective account’s Bonus to Deposits ratio. Once a Player is classified as a “bonus hunter” or “bonus abuser”, future bonuses and promotions will be restricted. The Casino encourages Players to participate in promotions, but to refrain from abusing them. If a Player is found to have a record of promotional abuse or fraud (charge-backs) at our Casino, the Player’s Account will have their future bonuses and promotions restricted.

With that, I think it's highly possible that they will refuse to pay you because your deposit/bonus ratio is $0:NonZeroEquivalent.

Also:

Only one free promotion may be redeemed between bonus-free deposits.

Here's another term that I find very interesting; it has nothing to do with you, but:

While playing with an active bonus, it is forbidden to engage in activities that give the player a clearly unfair advantage. Such activities include, but are not limited to, these:

• delaying game rounds in any game, including free spins and bonus features, to a later time when you have no wagering requirements,
• leaving large bets on the table, for example in blackjack, and returning to the game after bonus wagering has been completed,
• playing games with bonus money to build up in-game value, lose the bonus funds, and then cash out on the built-up value during real-money play,
• using strategies that take advantage of any software bug or failure


This is an interesting term for them to put in there and shows more foresight than I'd have given them credit for, unless they've already been hit before. One assumes they have variable state games, but if not, perhaps they just copied these terms from a casino that does.

The angle they are trying to prevent (that only works if Wagering Requirements are dropped after a player runs out of money + bonus funds to begin with) is that they don't want savvy players using bonus funds (and the deposit to get said funds) to build up game states, on various bet levels, of a variable-state game and then losing the bonus funds and deposit.

That might seem confusing---a casino that doesn't want the player to lose? Why?

The reason is because, the wagering requirements (I presume) having been dropped from the old bonus, the player can now make a new deposit and play the variable state game (that they have pumped into an advantageous state) with new money such that the expectation is so great as to exceed the loss from taking the other bonus and using those funds (plus the first deposit) to set up the situations (on multiple bet levels and games) that are hugely advantageous to begin with.

The angle is that the player knows (getting lucky aside) that they will probably lose all of the first bonus and deposit, but then they will come back with a new deposit and make profits such as to exceed the losses taken on the first deposit they made. In the meantime, they'll also get around the (presumably high) wagering requirements on a deposit bonus.

In this case, their deposit bonus Wagering Requirements don't seem terribly high, except some of their promotions do seem to restrict how much money (relative to the deposit) you can actually withdraw, 'Max Winnings.' That being the case, perhaps the angle is to set up the situations with the huge amount of bonus money they give (1000%) and then come back with a different deposit after setting all the games up the right way such that players can take advantage of the huge bonus, but at the same time, basically get around that withdrawal cap relative to the deposit.

In the case of this casino, it doesn't look like they have too many variable state games (at first glance) but with enough/high enough bet amounts allowed, it might only take one game to make this huge.

I imagine there have been casinos out there somewhere getting smacked around with this sort of setup offering huge bonus multiples (relative to deposit) and variable state games. I'd never actually thought of that angle before, but as soon as I saw the term, I understood the angle.
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Here's how it went. The KYC process took 7-8 days. Then after repeated attempts to withdrawal the $50, I was given wrong info from an agent stating: To make a withdrawal you first need to deposit min$10 and it has a 1X playthrough. Once complete I could then withdrawal my total balance. The first point the agent got wrong was the min. deposit is actually $20 and costs $1.50. So I deposited the $20 bringing my balance to $70. After the 1X playthrough I was left with $62.50. So I tried to withdraw the full amount. To find the second wrong info I was provided, withdrawals that have bonus money attached are limited to $50. Accepting the frustration, I was able to withdraw $50 and that was done in under 10 mins to my bank account.

So lessons learned and still came out $28.50 in profit with $12.50 still trapped on Casino Extreme because the min. withdrawal is $50.
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January 17th, 2024 at 8:39:10 AM permalink
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Quote: Krispy519

There is 2 sites I have found that give 50 FREE Spins daily. After about 10 days of busting out, I finally had some luck. 3 big wins allowed me to clear off the 10x wager requirement and finish with $72.00. The max win cap on free spins is $50, so I won too much :)

I am going through the verification and withdrawal process now. They says could take up to 5 business days. I'll update this on the results.

Below is the 2 sites I found are:

https://casinoextreme.eu/

https://casinobrango.com/

Best of Luck
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Let us know how it goes.

I didn't look at the second one you listed, but for the first one listed (and I suspect the second is similar) one term says that they won't let you withdraw without making a verification deposit, so they may ask for you to do that. If they do ask for that, then it's up to you whether or not to do so, but I probably wouldn't, because they also have this term:

The Casino offers bonuses as an incentive for players. The bonuses are not intended to give away free money to players classified as “bonus hunters” or “bonus abusers”. The Casino management will review all player accounts, and classify them based on the respective account’s Bonus to Deposits ratio. Once a Player is classified as a “bonus hunter” or “bonus abuser”, future bonuses and promotions will be restricted. The Casino encourages Players to participate in promotions, but to refrain from abusing them. If a Player is found to have a record of promotional abuse or fraud (charge-backs) at our Casino, the Player’s Account will have their future bonuses and promotions restricted.

With that, I think it's highly possible that they will refuse to pay you because your deposit/bonus ratio is $0:NonZeroEquivalent.

Also:

Only one free promotion may be redeemed between bonus-free deposits.

Here's another term that I find very interesting; it has nothing to do with you, but:

While playing with an active bonus, it is forbidden to engage in activities that give the player a clearly unfair advantage. Such activities include, but are not limited to, these:

• delaying game rounds in any game, including free spins and bonus features, to a later time when you have no wagering requirements,
• leaving large bets on the table, for example in blackjack, and returning to the game after bonus wagering has been completed,
• playing games with bonus money to build up in-game value, lose the bonus funds, and then cash out on the built-up value during real-money play,
• using strategies that take advantage of any software bug or failure


This is an interesting term for them to put in there and shows more foresight than I'd have given them credit for, unless they've already been hit before. One assumes they have variable state games, but if not, perhaps they just copied these terms from a casino that does.

The angle they are trying to prevent (that only works if Wagering Requirements are dropped after a player runs out of money + bonus funds to begin with) is that they don't want savvy players using bonus funds (and the deposit to get said funds) to build up game states, on various bet levels, of a variable-state game and then losing the bonus funds and deposit.

That might seem confusing---a casino that doesn't want the player to lose? Why?

The reason is because, the wagering requirements (I presume) having been dropped from the old bonus, the player can now make a new deposit and play the variable state game (that they have pumped into an advantageous state) with new money such that the expectation is so great as to exceed the loss from taking the other bonus and using those funds (plus the first deposit) to set up the situations (on multiple bet levels and games) that are hugely advantageous to begin with.

The angle is that the player knows (getting lucky aside) that they will probably lose all of the first bonus and deposit, but then they will come back with a new deposit and make profits such as to exceed the losses taken on the first deposit they made. In the meantime, they'll also get around the (presumably high) wagering requirements on a deposit bonus.

In this case, their deposit bonus Wagering Requirements don't seem terribly high, except some of their promotions do seem to restrict how much money (relative to the deposit) you can actually withdraw, 'Max Winnings.' That being the case, perhaps the angle is to set up the situations with the huge amount of bonus money they give (1000%) and then come back with a different deposit after setting all the games up the right way such that players can take advantage of the huge bonus, but at the same time, basically get around that withdrawal cap relative to the deposit.

In the case of this casino, it doesn't look like they have too many variable state games (at first glance) but with enough/high enough bet amounts allowed, it might only take one game to make this huge.

I imagine there have been casinos out there somewhere getting smacked around with this sort of setup offering huge bonus multiples (relative to deposit) and variable state games. I'd never actually thought of that angle before, but as soon as I saw the term, I understood the angle.
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Here's how it went. The KYC process took 7-8 days. Then after repeated attempts to withdrawal the $50, I was given wrong info from an agent stating: To make a withdrawal you first need to deposit min$10 and it has a 1X playthrough. Once complete I could then withdrawal my total balance. The first point the agent got wrong was the min. deposit is actually $20 and costs $1.50. So I deposited the $20 bringing my balance to $70. After the 1X playthrough I was left with $62.50. So I tried to withdraw the full amount. To find the second wrong info I was provided, withdrawals that have bonus money attached are limited to $50. Accepting the frustration, I was able to withdraw $50 and that was done in under 10 mins to my bank account.

So lessons learned and still came out $28.50 in profit with $12.50 still trapped on Casino Extreme because the min. withdrawal is $50.
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So don’t you just try and quadruple the $12.50 and either cash out $0 or $50? Right?
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January 17th, 2024 at 9:19:04 AM permalink
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Here's how it went. The KYC process took 7-8 days. Then after repeated attempts to withdrawal the $50, I was given wrong info from an agent stating: To make a withdrawal you first need to deposit min$10 and it has a 1X playthrough. Once complete I could then withdrawal my total balance. The first point the agent got wrong was the min. deposit is actually $20 and costs $1.50. So I deposited the $20 bringing my balance to $70. After the 1X playthrough I was left with $62.50. So I tried to withdraw the full amount. To find the second wrong info I was provided, withdrawals that have bonus money attached are limited to $50. Accepting the frustration, I was able to withdraw $50 and that was done in under 10 mins to my bank account.

So lessons learned and still came out $28.50 in profit with $12.50 still trapped on Casino Extreme because the min. withdrawal is $50.
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Thank you for the update.

I actually think it speaks well to the casino that they paid you; as I showed in the terms, they could've just denied it based on the fact that you took multiple no-deposit bonuses consecutively. I don't know what the best VP they have is, but like SOOPOO said, you could either try to get the $12.50 up to $50, or alternatively, deposit something like $50 and play it once through. Granted, you could do that and finish under $50, but with 98%+ VP and very conservative betting amounts on a low variance game (such as Jacks or Better), you'd probably have to run pretty bad.

Of course, that exposes $50 right back to the casino again. I guess it might depend on whether or not you ever plan to continue to play there. If you don't, then maybe just use the $12.50 and take a few shots.
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I'll keep the cash there in case i need it to pad the next 50 spins win. Yes, I was expecting a Sorry your a bonus hunter excuse. Some cash better than nothing.
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