Vulturing Rich Little Hens
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Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0y1a1uS64Q
Here are some of the bonus times in the video:
White hit at 17:05.
Purple hit at 18:55.
White hit at 20:45
White & purple hit at 22:05.
Red & white hit at 25:05.
As with Rich Little Piggies, I believe most of the value in vulturing to be in the left bank, in this case the red hen.
For just a starting point for discussion, I think a conservative play point would be 25 coins in the red. A liberal play point would be 20.
The question for the forum is when you would vulture Rich Little Hens?
I live right next to what used to be sands and now it’s wind creek. Wind creek seems to love the vulture slots and sands had none on purpose from what I remember
Quote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
I live right next to what used to be sands and now it’s wind creek. Wind creek seems to love the vulture slots and sands had none on purpose from what I remember
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I believe Mission146 stated awhile ago that vulture slots were illegal in Pennsylvania due some law about variable states
Clearly they changed that law. I know Philly Live for example only added vulturable slots within the last year or so.
The change from Sands to Wind Creek seems to just be coincidentally around the same time the law was changed.
Mission146 will probably be able to weigh in on this more.
Quote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
Quote: WizardQuote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
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I would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
Quote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
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I would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
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I think you should have said they ‘should’ care. What evidence do you have that they ‘do’ care?
Some casinos definitely care . Some in Vegas have been kicking vultures out..Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
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I would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
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I think you should have said they ‘should’ care. What evidence do you have that they ‘do’ care?
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The question for the forum is when you would vulture Rich Little Hens?
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It looked more like a progressive chase - a relatively long grind - than what I would classify as a vulture play - a few quick rounds.
I intend to graciously leave the value on the machines for others to glean.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
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I would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
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I think you should have said they ‘should’ care. What evidence do you have that they ‘do’ care?
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The only evidence that I have is that I have worked for casinos and those discussions were had.
Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
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I would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
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I think you should have said they ‘should’ care. What evidence do you have that they ‘do’ care?
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The only evidence that I have is that I have worked for casinos and those discussions were had.
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Seriously….. how many resources did casinos use to target vultures? I’m not talking about vultures that were bothering regular players, but a guy like me who would just sit at an Ultimate X machine and only play on leftover multipliers. Did they actually waste money paying someone to look for vultures?
Nowadays there are so many popular vulture games it seems as if the casinos need them to compete, or for whatever reason they're putting them in. I'm not sure how the decisions are made about what games they put in their casinos, I assume that has something to do with the manufacturers telling them what games are doing well in other casinos. You yourself know that not too long ago they were trying to do everything they could to avoid those types of machines. What changed? I can only assume that someone came out with a vulture game that did really well so they kept on trying to copy that success. Or did someone behind the scenes think they came up with something complicated enough that the advantage players wouldn't figure out? I'm still scratching my head as to why they keep coming up with these machines they have to know there's been a major problem with vultures for many years.Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
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I would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
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I think you should have said they ‘should’ care. What evidence do you have that they ‘do’ care?
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The only evidence that I have is that I have worked for casinos and those discussions were had.
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So now we have a situation. The casinos don't want their money walking out the door and never coming back. They don't want their ploppies losing extremely fast at a high percentage rate while the sharps come in and scoop up all their left-behind value. Not even a normal rando can plop down a good percentage machine and get hooked because they got paid so well because of what some other ploppy left behind. So now we have the general public who are getting crushed with little playtime they must be thinking how horrible the slots are in that casino.
Obviously different casinos deal with the situation differently. I take it some just shrug their shoulders and say it is what it is as long as no one's getting harassed, but there are other casinos that are aggressively throwing vultures out.
Quote: DRichI would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
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To that, I would say that is what they should think. However, the fact that both variable state slots and vultures are increasing in numbers suggest that they may think that, but don't put that care into action.
Quote: AxelWolfThey don't want their ploppies losing extremely fast at a high percentage rate while the sharps come in and scoop up all their left-behind value.
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This kind of discussion just does not get very far. At the end of the day, heat maps point out which square feet in the casino are not living up to expectations. The games that are in red get replaced with something else. It doesn't matter the reason why the revenue is less, it just is.
The order of the day in high-level casino management is that you're only as good as you were yesterday. If you make a change that goes badly, you'll get blamed. If you're right, you don't get credit. That encourages short-term thinking to change nothing.
The slot manager may even know that vultures may be bad-long term, but that doesn't mean he has enough pull with security to throw people out for pressing buttons.
My final point is there is no "they" with casino management. It is several different people each looking out for himself.
Although many people who post on here would take the winnings & leave, in the actual casinos many of the vultures are degenerates and just use vulturing to fund their negative EV playing.
Often times too the people you see that look like vultures are just ploppies that learned from seeing other vultures & once they vulture they just go back to playing anything.
Also ploppies don’t necessarily get destroyed because vultures take all the equity. Often times ploppies will build up the equity themselves & keep playing until they realize the equity.
But the bottom line as has been alluded to already is that if these games weren’t profitable for casinos we wouldn’t constantly be seeing more & more of them all the time.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: heatmapMy question to you is… do casinos know that a particular slot is vulturable and do they do these machines on purpose specifically to vulture kind of thing?
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They know. The better question is do they care? In general, they don't. The machines make their expected win and that is mostly what matters. Money made vulturing does not come at the expense of casinos but recreational players who will plop down and play anything.
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I would argue that casinos do care. They care because ploppies are more likely to put that money back into the machines where vultures are more likely to walk with the money.
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I think you should have said they ‘should’ care. What evidence do you have that they ‘do’ care?
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The only evidence that I have is that I have worked for casinos and those discussions were had.
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Seriously….. how many resources did casinos use to target vultures? I’m not talking about vultures that were bothering regular players, but a guy like me who would just sit at an Ultimate X machine and only play on leftover multipliers. Did they actually waste money paying someone to look for vultures?
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In my case, the discussions were not usually about getting rid of vultures as much as the cost to the casino for having a vulturable games on the floor.
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But the bottom line as has been alluded to already is that if these games weren’t profitable for casinos we wouldn’t constantly be seeing more & more of them all the time.
That is very true but, casinos like most other businesses, want to maximize their profits.
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But the bottom line as has been alluded to already is that if these games weren’t profitable for casinos we wouldn’t constantly be seeing more & more of them all the time.
That is very true but, casinos like most other businesses, want to maximize their profits.
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Makes sense, but my assumption was that if they are placing these game instead of non vulterable games, they already think these games will do more to maximize their profits then non vulterables.
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Thought these were for the age of the girl in the video
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Quote: BrickapotamusAlthough many people who post on here would take the winnings & leave, in the actual casinos many of the vultures are degenerates and just use vulturing to fund their negative EV playing.
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I suspect this too. It seems to happen often in Vegas that no machine in a particular casino is anywhere close to being positive. I'm not sure if it is vultures playing prematurely or recreational players who hate to leave any meat on the bones of their game.
Quote: WizardQuote: BrickapotamusAlthough many people who post on here would take the winnings & leave, in the actual casinos many of the vultures are degenerates and just use vulturing to fund their negative EV playing.
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I suspect this too. It seems to happen often in Vegas that no machine in a particular casino is anywhere close to being positive. I'm not sure if it is vultures playing prematurely or recreational players who hate to leave any meat on the bones of their game.
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It's because ploppies figure out pretty quickly what is positive and don't leave much behind.
My observation of pro vultures is they are not looking for positive states. That becomes self defeating much the same way only playing a $10,000 Must Hit at $9,999 is. Wonderful if you find it, fat chance you ever will.
Instead the vultures play when something is still negative but partially paid for. Example, on Scarab ignore how many latent scarabs there and take the machine at 5 spins or more in the cycle. The profit coming from getting to the variable state for half price or better.
Quote: Roberto21I’ll just add my two cents. I complained about a vulturable slot game to the gaming commission (about the unfair competition aspect - I.e. there was a local Chinese syndicate hogging the plays) and within a week this machine and others like it were removed. So I assume it all depends on how much ‘noise’ they create. If it’s bothering regular patrons, I.e. their ‘bread and butter’, they will take some sort of action I assume, whether it be banning AP’s or removing the machines entirely. This was at an Australian casino, mind you.
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They should have just banned those guys if all they do is sit behind regular players. Baby bath water situation
Quote: Roberto21I agree, however I happen to know the syndicate are high tier status at that casino and are also indiscriminate gamblers some of the time, I.e. playing non-AP slots. Also, I believe the gaming commission took it so seriously because one of the player’s pulled me away by my shirt as I was preparing to sit at the machine (I guess with $5000+ EV up for grabs, common courtesy goes out the window?). However, I stupidly did not complain to the casino when that happened, only notifying the gaming commission some weeks later. I really don’t know the best way to deal with aggressive AP player’s/syndicates, I feel if I try to get them banned they will rat me out too, or worse rat the machine out. In hindsight, I regret blaming the player’s behaviour on the type of game it was to Gaming as it brought attention to the root of the problem, and removed a potentially lucrative situation from me forever. However, I won’t stand for that kind of behaviour from other AP’s either, so it’s a bit of a catch-22.
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I was once vulturing a game called Suite Success at the M Resort. I was watching another player playing it, I believe he was also a vulture. He ran out of money and went to the ATM machine about one row over. I swooped in and took the machine and stuck a bill in. He came over screaming at me saying he was still playing it and got aggressive. I yelled out "Security", which caused him to pause for a second and then a few people showed up. He tried to plead his case to them but I was in the seat and my money was in the machine. While he was explaining to them I hit the bonus on my second spin and told them he could have the machine and cashed out. He was so pissed off. I stood around and chatted with the security and slot floor people telling them that he really didn't want the machine but didn't want me to play it. They believed me when he chose not to play it when I was done.
Quote: DRichQuote: Roberto21I agree, however I happen to know the syndicate are high tier status at that casino and are also indiscriminate gamblers some of the time, I.e. playing non-AP slots. Also, I believe the gaming commission took it so seriously because one of the player’s pulled me away by my shirt as I was preparing to sit at the machine (I guess with $5000+ EV up for grabs, common courtesy goes out the window?). However, I stupidly did not complain to the casino when that happened, only notifying the gaming commission some weeks later. I really don’t know the best way to deal with aggressive AP player’s/syndicates, I feel if I try to get them banned they will rat me out too, or worse rat the machine out. In hindsight, I regret blaming the player’s behaviour on the type of game it was to Gaming as it brought attention to the root of the problem, and removed a potentially lucrative situation from me forever. However, I won’t stand for that kind of behaviour from other AP’s either, so it’s a bit of a catch-22.
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I was once vulturing a game called Suite Success at the M Resort. I was watching another player playing it, I believe he was also a vulture. He ran out of money and went to the ATM machine about one row over. I swooped in and took the machine and stuck a bill in. He came over screaming at me saying he was still playing it and got aggressive. I yelled out "Security", which caused him to pause for a second and then a few people showed up. He tried to plead his case to them but I was in the seat and my money was in the machine. While he was explaining to them I hit the bonus on my second spin and told them he could have the machine and cashed out. He was so pissed off. I stood around and chatted with the security and slot floor people telling them that he really didn't want the machine but didn't want me to play it. They believed me when he chose not to play it when I was done.
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Wow.
He definitely made a mistake.
I saw a similar situation and the player who needed more money called over the serving girl. He tipped her $20 so she would stand over his seat while he went to the ATM.
Quote: Roberto21I agree, however I happen to know the syndicate are high tier status at that casino and are also indiscriminate gamblers some of the time, I.e. playing non-AP slots. Also, I believe the gaming commission took it so seriously because one of the player’s pulled me away by my shirt as I was preparing to sit at the machine (I guess with $5000+ EV up for grabs, common courtesy goes out the window?). However, I stupidly did not complain to the casino when that happened, only notifying the gaming commission some weeks later. I really don’t know the best way to deal with aggressive AP player’s/syndicates, I feel if I try to get them banned they will rat me out too, or worse rat the machine out. In hindsight, I regret blaming the player’s behaviour on the type of game it was to Gaming as it brought attention to the root of the problem, and removed a potentially lucrative situation from me forever. However, I won’t stand for that kind of behaviour from other AP’s either, so it’s a bit of a catch-22.
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It’s hard to say how to deal with them because they give action in non-AP ways. But if they put their hands on you, especially if you’re next in line for the machine, they gotta go. It’s all on camera. I deal with these people all the time and there’s generally a level of respect
Quote: PenguinsOfPitWhen you say he ran out of money, did that mean zero dollars? Or just not enough to do a spin? Was his card still in there? Did he turn his seat around or tip it on the machine?
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There were no credits on the machine but his card was still in it.
Quote: Roberto21If it’s bothering regular patrons, I.e. their ‘bread and butter’, they will take some sort of action I assume, whether it be banning AP’s or removing the machines entirely. This was at an Australian casino, mind you.
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i've been to a few of casinos down under (Australia <Sydney, Darwin> and new zealand) earlier this year.
None had that many vulturable games and certainly not enough for a group to camp out for.
Which city was this?
hm.. i would have waited till the card reader began flashing if the seat was turned around/tipped over.Quote: DRichQuote: PenguinsOfPitWhen you say he ran out of money, did that mean zero dollars? Or just not enough to do a spin? Was his card still in there? Did he turn his seat around or tip it on the machine?
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There were no credits on the machine but his card was still in it.
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What would you have done if he had .25 cents left in the machine along with his card?
Quote: 100xOddshm.. i would have waited till the card reader began flashing if the seat was turned around/tipped over.Quote: DRichQuote: PenguinsOfPitWhen you say he ran out of money, did that mean zero dollars? Or just not enough to do a spin? Was his card still in there? Did he turn his seat around or tip it on the machine?
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There were no credits on the machine but his card was still in it.
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What would you have done if he had .25 cents left in the machine along with his card?
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I would have probably cashed out the credits and set it aside. Don't get me wrong, I knew he wasn't done but I saw an opportunity where he left the machine so I took it.
Quote: DRichQuote: 100xOddshm.. i would have waited till the card reader began flashing if the seat was turned around/tipped over.Quote: DRichQuote: PenguinsOfPitWhen you say he ran out of money, did that mean zero dollars? Or just not enough to do a spin? Was his card still in there? Did he turn his seat around or tip it on the machine?
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There were no credits on the machine but his card was still in it.
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What would you have done if he had .25 cents left in the machine along with his card?
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I would have probably cashed out the credits and set it aside. Don't get me wrong, I knew he wasn't done but I saw an opportunity where he left the machine so I took it.
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I'm curious if he had turned to you and asked you politely to hold his seat while he ran to the ATM would you have agreed and proceeded to grab the bonus or held the seat?
Or told the truth "Mr soon as your ass stands the seat is mine."
Quote: DRichQuote: PenguinsOfPitWhen you say he ran out of money, did that mean zero dollars? Or just not enough to do a spin? Was his card still in there? Did he turn his seat around or tip it on the machine?
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There were no credits on the machine but his card was still in it.
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What was the seat situation?
Quote: WizardQuote: BrickapotamusAlthough many people who post on here would take the winnings & leave, in the actual casinos many of the vultures are degenerates and just use vulturing to fund their negative EV playing.
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I suspect this too. It seems to happen often in Vegas that no machine in a particular casino is anywhere close to being positive. I'm not sure if it is vultures playing prematurely or recreational players who hate to leave any meat on the bones of their game.
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My opinion about this is that a lot more money is made by waiting behind already good plays for someone to leave than playing the piano. So people that solely look at empty machines are missing the ev which was already claimed.
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I'm curious if he had turned to you and asked you politely to hold his seat while he ran to the ATM would you have agreed and proceeded to grab the bonus or held the seat?
Or told the truth "Mr soon as your ass stands the seat is mine."
I was too far away for him to ask but if he had I would not have done any of those things.
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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Btw cashing out someone’s money and setting it aside so you can get a play while guy has his card in and chair turned around not only can get you banned but maybe stabbed in the garage
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Btw cashing out someone’s money and setting it aside so you can get a play while guy has his card in and chair turned around not only can get you banned but maybe stabbed in the garage
I would take those chances anytime. I will not be intimidated off of a good play.
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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You must remember that I have hundreds of hours in front of the Nevada Gaming Control Board. I am pretty sure that I could dissuade most attempts by the casino to do that.
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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You must remember that I have hundreds of hours in front of the Nevada Gaming Control Board. I am pretty sure that I could dissuade most attempts by the casino to do that.
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If you’re just the hustler that gives no action and you’re pissing off the whale, you are gone. 100% of this.
What happens if the player has to go to the bathroom? Money in, chair turned around, card in? Piss himself if you’re around or you’ll take it?
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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You must remember that I have hundreds of hours in front of the Nevada Gaming Control Board. I am pretty sure that I could dissuade most attempts by the casino to do that.
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That might work out for you personally Drich but I think for the average person if money and card is in the machine ,chair turned around or not it can cause problems.
I think my practice would be more "Babysitting" I'd hold the chair with my card in for 5 minutes, no return customer, It becomes my "Babysitter" fee.
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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You must remember that I have hundreds of hours in front of the Nevada Gaming Control Board. I am pretty sure that I could dissuade most attempts by the casino to do that.
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If you’re just the hustler that gives no action and you’re pissing off the whale, you are gone. 100% of this.
What happens if the player has to go to the bathroom? Money in, chair turned around, card in? Piss himself if you’re around or you’ll take it?
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The casinos I worked for always told the players to cash out and not leave money on an unattended machine. Usually you can flag down a slot person to watch a machine for you while you are gone. If not, $5 and most drink servers will linger and watch for a few minutes.
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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You must remember that I have hundreds of hours in front of the Nevada Gaming Control Board. I am pretty sure that I could dissuade most attempts by the casino to do that.
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If you’re just the hustler that gives no action and you’re pissing off the whale, you are gone. 100% of this.
What happens if the player has to go to the bathroom? Money in, chair turned around, card in? Piss himself if you’re around or you’ll take it?
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The casinos I worked for always told the players to cash out and not leave money on an unattended machine. Usually you can flag down a slot person to watch a machine for you while you are gone. If not, $5 and most drink servers will linger and watch for a few minutes.
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So basically they can never go to the bathroom unless they bribe an attendant? Yeah that’s not realistic in most casinos
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What was the seat situation?
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I do not recall the seat being turned but even if it was that would not have stopped me. In my mind there is no implied holding of seats.
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You’ll likely get thrown out in some casinos if the guy in question is a big player by doing this. It’s not what you think about seats, it’s what the casino thinks and favoritism
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You must remember that I have hundreds of hours in front of the Nevada Gaming Control Board. I am pretty sure that I could dissuade most attempts by the casino to do that.
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If you’re just the hustler that gives no action and you’re pissing off the whale, you are gone. 100% of this.
What happens if the player has to go to the bathroom? Money in, chair turned around, card in? Piss himself if you’re around or you’ll take it?
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The casinos I worked for always told the players to cash out and not leave money on an unattended machine. Usually you can flag down a slot person to watch a machine for you while you are gone. If not, $5 and most drink servers will linger and watch for a few minutes.
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So basically they can never go to the bathroom unless they bribe an attendant? Yeah that’s not realistic in most casinos
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Say you are on a huge play, must use the restroom, but absolutely cannot find anyone to hold the machine?
Option 1, If you have a good sense for how long the bonus rounds last, & they last a fair amount of time, you can wait for a bonus round (don’t start the bonus) & zip off to the restroom. This works if you are close to the restroom & just need a quick #1.
Beware though, some machines can do bonus rounds very fast & always a chance a thief will come by, speed spin off your bonus & cash out so this is only good if you know you’ll be quick & you know the bonus takes awhile on the particular machine.
Option 2. Say you need more time or don’t want to risk someone fast spinning off your bonus round & cashing out. Most casinos (but not all) have a max voucher amount where if you try to cash out above a certain amount the machine locks up for a hand pay, Usually this is $3,000 because of KYC regs, and some casinos its as low as $1,000.
Assuming you have the cash on you, you can just keep sticking money in until you exceed the limit then hit the cash out button & now the machine is locked up until an attendant comes to hand pay you your ticket amount.
Hassle? Sure, but if you are on something really big that you absolutely don’t want to lose these are two ways to do it.
Too many other ways also to even cover but these are two of the most straightforward.
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So basically they can never go to the bathroom unless they bribe an attendant? Yeah that’s not realistic in most casinos
What most people would do is cashout, go to the restroom, then come back and continue playing.
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So basically they can never go to the bathroom unless they bribe an attendant? Yeah that’s not realistic in most casinos
What most people would do is cashout, go to the restroom, then come back and continue playing.
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The advantages of a powerful bladder management system for the professional gambler seem rarely discussed. (I hear a few proponents of OMAD, but not in an AP specific context.)
You have to be in the chair to make your play.
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So basically they can never go to the bathroom unless they bribe an attendant? Yeah that’s not realistic in most casinos
What most people would do is cashout, go to the restroom, then come back and continue playing.
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The advantages of a powerful bladder management system for the professional gambler seem rarely discussed. (I hear a few proponents of OMAD, but not in an AP specific context.)
You have to be in the chair to make your play.
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Welcome to my career. If doing a 3 hour case with no ‘break doctor’ I’d certainly limit intake before the case. And go before even if there was very little to go….
Table games are easy. The dealer just holds your seat, usually with a clear plastic chip.
At my casino, people respect the chair turned around with non-blinking card in the slot.
(If it's blinking, it's fair game.)
