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November 28th, 2023 at 1:03:08 PM permalink
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what is your opinion of this______?
I am thinking more about the overseas casinos that are not legal in the U.S. but my understanding is people are using them anyway
and I'm thinking particularly about slots or games related to or similar to slots
not sports betting where it couldn't easily be accomplished without the player knowing about it

it would seem to me to be fairly easy for an online casino to do this if they wanted to - rig their games so they don't have to pay out large jackpots as often as they should or maybe even not at all

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November 28th, 2023 at 1:15:38 PM permalink
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what is your opinion of this______?
I am thinking more about the overseas casinos that are not legal in the U.S. but my understanding is people are using them anyway
and I'm thinking particularly about slots or games related to or similar to slots
not sports betting where it couldn't easily be accomplished without the player knowing about it

it would seem to me to be fairly easy for an online casino to do this if they wanted to - rig their games so they don't have to pay out large jackpots as often as they should or maybe even not at all

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My opinion is that it is pretty close to 100%.
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November 28th, 2023 at 1:25:06 PM permalink
I don't understand how online casinos are so popular. It just seems sooooo shady. I wouldn't trust them for betting anything more than pennies at a time.
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November 28th, 2023 at 1:31:47 PM permalink
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what is your opinion of this______?
I am thinking more about the overseas casinos that are not legal in the U.S. but my understanding is people are using them anyway
and I'm thinking particularly about slots or games related to or similar to slots
not sports betting where it couldn't easily be accomplished without the player knowing about it

it would seem to me to be fairly easy for an online casino to do this if they wanted to - rig their games so they don't have to pay out large jackpots as often as they should or maybe even not at all

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I don't have much of an opinion on this. However, I would think that games by big names like IGT have a reputation and a business to defend. They are not going to let foreign operators offer black-market clones of their popular slots under their label. They are not going to let operators tamper with the chips and algorithms.

Some foreign operators are barely regulated, but IGT, NETENT, and SG don't need their business. It would be risky to court scandal for the sake of selling software to some shady foreign operator. Cheating would more likely be done in the accounting systems or via off-brand slot games.
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November 28th, 2023 at 1:33:58 PM permalink
I think the simple answer is, one who never plays an online casino will never be cheated by an online casino.
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November 29th, 2023 at 3:17:59 AM permalink
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I thought this thread I started would have more interest - guess I was wrong
could it be that quite a few gamblers don't even really care if they're being cheated - their love of risk overwhelms their care about being cheated_______?

I think so
I'm not really posting about many of the gamblers here
it seems that most who are posting here are trying to learn and are better than that

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November 29th, 2023 at 3:57:58 AM permalink
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I thought this thread I started would have more interest - guess I was wrong
could it be that quite a few gamblers don't even really care if they're being cheated - their love of risk overwhelms their care about being cheated_______?

I think so
I'm not really posting about many of the gamblers here
it seems that most who are posting here are trying to learn and are better than that

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I have been cheated by games on two regulated online casinos, but the situations were so unusual and each appeared to be an unintentional glitch. I am much more likely to be cheated by promo departments. Glitches in promos are ubiquitous at some casinos. When I have had issues with promos, I almost never get satisfaction from contacting support. The stress and time are seldom worth it. With a rare game glitch, It is hard to get to talk with anyone at the gaming company who would even have knowledge of what my evidence means. Normally, you have to get the vendor involved in the investigation. Again, not worth my time to debug a glitch for them.

If you have evidence of sustained cheating, then gather the evidence and fight to fix it. Get the community involved if you need to. If it is some hinky offshore sleazeball operator, just avoid them and warn others.

I don't see any evidence that I am being cheated on a broad scale. If I was afraid to play because I might be cheated, I would be costing myself an enormous amount of cash flow. I had horrible results playing Bingo Blackjack, but the results are not suspicious because the variance of the game is insane compared to normal BJ and I am betting up to $600 a hand. I play a game with a variance 40 times higher than DDB video poker. My results suck. Again, not evidence that I am being cheated. Most of my play is on normal variance games and my RTPs overall seems to match the RTPs listed by the game developers.

Why should I pay more than passing interest in this thread? If I find out NETENT is actually a notorious cheat, then my ears will perk up. Until then, it is a big nothingburger to me.

A few weeks ago, a regulated gaming company stopped paying me bonuses. I can opt in and I can see that the button says I am opted in and I can use my logs to prove that I have met the play required to earn the bonus. The bonuses just never appear. I feel that I am being cheated. However, if I call them and they say we cut you off from all bonuses, what can I do? They have the right to cut me off. They just shouldn't let me opt in if that is their choice. These bonuses are pretty marginal, so I just choose to stop playing for them. As I said, my evidence for being cheated is almost 100% a promotions problem, not a game problem.
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November 29th, 2023 at 7:15:43 AM permalink
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it would seem to me to be fairly easy for an online casino to do this if they wanted to - rig their games so they don't have to pay out large jackpots as often as they should or maybe even not at all

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There are a whole slew of reasons. Cheating is one. Jurisdictional legality is another. Some screwey belief that one should gamble in cash probably plays into it. Pay cash money, play cash money - that's how I think it should be. Online shops don't send a cashier around to your apartment to hand you a stack of hundies when you win, or I could possibly get interested.


That said, casino games are already structured to favor the house. Further gaffing would seem unnecessary.

I have often said that the house edge doesn't matter if you're not allowed to cash out. They have your money; you can't get it back - you lose.
From what I've seen, this is what LCB is most focused on testing for when they evaluate an online casino. Can you buy in? Can you get paid out? Are there any unusual requirements, procedures, or delays?

This also aligns with what I've heard anecdotally - the modern way to cheat is to refuse to pay. Whether that constitutes welching is apparently a very involved discussion that I'm supposed to recuse from, since I get a bit immoderate about the topic.
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