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August 30th, 2023 at 5:26:11 AM permalink


(From twitter so no idea which casino)

wow!
Never thought this was legal?

People l leave their cards in the machine all the time when done and someone else sits to play...

So many cans of worms the casino is opening themselves to?
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August 30th, 2023 at 5:31:19 AM permalink
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(From twitter so no idea which casino)

wow!
Never thought this was legal?

People l leave their cards in the machine all the time when done and someone else sits to play...

So many cans of worms the casino is opening themselves to?



I doubt that can be enforced at a licensed state casino if you choose to fight it. At a native casino you may be out of luck.
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August 30th, 2023 at 5:39:41 AM permalink
One guy got banned at a midwest casino for YouTubing without permission and winning a slot JP on his mother's Player's Card inserted on a previous visit. I think the casino just makes stuff up out of the blue.
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August 30th, 2023 at 6:39:53 AM permalink
Almost definitely that's at a native American casino.

Let's see how that goes down when innocent grandma doesn't notice ditzy 21 year old left card in machine accidentally and grandma wins jackpot that is confiscated.

What isn't mentioned is what happens to the W2-G? Do they refuse to pay but still issue a W2-G to the player so they are on the hook for taxes?

Remember they will have the player's full identification when they suddenly realize the jackpot was on another person's card.
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August 30th, 2023 at 8:07:54 AM permalink
There is no way this is legal in any State that I can think of. Maybe if the jackpot was won using illegally obtained Freeplay (this is a stretch), but there is no way they can deny a jackpot won from cash in simply because there is a card in the machine (heck I know I have probably gambled with other people's cards accidentally before, all kinds of people walk out and leave their card in machines, and it is very easy to start playing a machine without realizing somebody's card is in it, especially if you are not using a player's card at that casino.)

Also, don't many casinos still force you to share a card with your spouse (only 1 per address, etc....?)

I have never been married, but the impression I have always gotten from married couples who gamble together, is that sharing with a spouse is not only encouraged, but borderline forced (depending on the casino).... And, if many casinos will only issue you one account per address, and the address must be your primary residence, I don't see what other option there is for married couples (isn't this why they give you two cards at a time?)
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August 30th, 2023 at 8:26:56 AM permalink
It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way
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August 30th, 2023 at 8:28:04 AM permalink
It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way.
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August 30th, 2023 at 8:34:22 AM permalink
Legal or not, the sign will certainly change folk's behavior. That might be all they hope to accomplish.

There is no chance they will make stink about the card in the machine unless they see that you put that card in the machine. If the camera shows that you just put 10 different cards in the machine, that is a different story.

Online casinos have a large number of clauses that allow them to take your winnings or even your funds. I don't know if these are legal or have been tested extensively in courts. In tribal casinos, I don't like my chances.

I never played at any casino that didn't also encourage my SO to get a separate card/account.
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August 30th, 2023 at 9:25:25 AM permalink
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It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way
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Deleting a rewards account and banning a player for misuse of rewards is one thing (and relatively common.)
The issue is not paying a jackpot that was legally won. I do not think this is allowed anywhere (in the U.S.)

Casinos can make their own policy about all kinds of things, they still need to pay out legal winnings. If they want to ban a player after they can (but they still need to pay.)
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August 30th, 2023 at 9:42:35 AM permalink
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Casinos can make their own policy about all kinds of things, they still need to pay out legal winnings. If they want to ban a player after they can (but they still need to pay.)
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Tell that to the online casinos. The key difference seems to be that nobody can enter an online casino (even the US regulated casinos) without agreeing to terms of service that say the player will accept any amount of freerolling that the casino sees fit to do to the player. This refusal to pay is 'at the sole discretion of the player' and we generally agree to submit to binding arbitration in the case of a dispute.

So far, this superpower the online casinos have is purely theoretical. The worst that has happened to me is that the casino asked me to confirm my banking details so they could send me my 5-figure balance and then they banned me for life.
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August 30th, 2023 at 10:21:34 AM permalink
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Quote: billryan

It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way
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Deleting a rewards account and banning a player for misuse of rewards is one thing (and relatively common.)
The issue is not paying a jackpot that was legally won. I do not think this is allowed anywhere (in the U.S.)

Casinos can make their own policy about all kinds of things, they still need to pay out legal winnings. If they want to ban a player after they can (but they still need to pay.)
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I'm not sure. If a casino says only two people in a room and you have five, they can evict you. If you smoke in a room they designate as non-smoking, they can fine you for room cleaning. I'm not a lawyer and don't even stay at Hollyday Inns now that Choice Hotels is a sponsor. Lawyers are expensive, so how much must one win and be denied before it is worthwhile to take them to court? Good luck if it is a tribal casino.
Is this legal? Who knows, but until someone takes them to court and a judge says so, it is their policy.
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August 30th, 2023 at 10:22:14 AM permalink
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Quote: billryan

It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way
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Deleting a rewards account and banning a player for misuse of rewards is one thing (and relatively common.)
The issue is not paying a jackpot that was legally won. I do not think this is allowed anywhere (in the U.S.)

Casinos can make their own policy about all kinds of things, they still need to pay out legal winnings. If they want to ban a player after they can (but they still need to pay.)
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I'm not sure. If a casino says only two people in a room and you have five, they can evict you. If you smoke in a room they designate as non-smoking, they can fine you for room cleaning. I'm not a lawyer and don't even stay at Hollyday Inns now that Choice Hotels is a sponsor. Lawyers are expensive, so how much must one win and be denied before it is worthwhile to take them to court? Good luck if it is a tribal casino.
Is this legal? Who knows, but until someone takes them to court and a judge says so, it is their policy.
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August 30th, 2023 at 10:40:45 AM permalink
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Quote: billryan

It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way
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Deleting a rewards account and banning a player for misuse of rewards is one thing (and relatively common.)
The issue is not paying a jackpot that was legally won. I do not think this is allowed anywhere (in the U.S.)

Casinos can make their own policy about all kinds of things, they still need to pay out legal winnings. If they want to ban a player after they can (but they still need to pay.)
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I'm not sure. If a casino says only two people in a room and you have five, they can evict you. If you smoke in a room they designate as non-smoking, they can fine you for room cleaning. I'm not a lawyer and don't even stay at Hollyday Inns now that Choice Hotels is a sponsor. Lawyers are expensive, so how much must one win and be denied before it is worthwhile to take them to court? Good luck if it is a tribal casino.
Is this legal? Who knows, but until someone takes them to court and a judge says so, it is their policy.
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It's illegal. I have won jackpots on other people's players cards and the casino tried to refuse payment. The gaming police just force them to pay me.

The casinos can't break the law (stealing by non payment of jackpot) because someone broke their rules.

Tribal casinos of course will try it and probably get away with it.
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August 30th, 2023 at 11:13:11 AM permalink
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It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way
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Deleting a rewards account and banning a player for misuse of rewards is one thing (and relatively common.)
The issue is not paying a jackpot that was legally won. I do not think this is allowed anywhere (in the U.S.)

Casinos can make their own policy about all kinds of things, they still need to pay out legal winnings. If they want to ban a player after they can (but they still need to pay.)
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I'm not sure. If a casino says only two people in a room and you have five, they can evict you. If you smoke in a room they designate as non-smoking, they can fine you for room cleaning. I'm not a lawyer and don't even stay at Hollyday Inns now that Choice Hotels is a sponsor. Lawyers are expensive, so how much must one win and be denied before it is worthwhile to take them to court? Good luck if it is a tribal casino.
Is this legal? Who knows, but until someone takes them to court and a judge says so, it is their policy.
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Simply call gaming enforcement for your State. There will likely be no need to worry about court, it will be solved at their level.

I cannot imagine that a gaming agent getting called down to the floor at 3am because the casino will not pay somebody who was using a machine with their wife's card will end well for the casino.

Sure, tribal casinos all bets are off. But, I do not consider these U.S. casinos. You may as well be in a foreign country (I mean you technically are essentially.)

This is not the same as a hotel charging somebody a cleaning fee for smoking or making a mess after they check out. Nor is it the same as removing somebody from the hotel for lying about occupancy claims. (This would be more along the lines of a hotel kicking somebody out for whatever reason, and seizing their valuables instead of returning them.)
This is seizing money from somebody that they lawfully are entitled to without a justification.
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August 30th, 2023 at 11:29:17 AM permalink
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[Simply call gaming enforcement for your State. There will likely be no need to worry about court, it will be solved at their level.

I cannot imagine that a gaming agent getting called down to the floor at 3am because the casino will not pay somebody who was using a machine with their wife's card will end well for the casino.

Sure, tribal casinos all bets are off. But, I do not consider these U.S. casinos. You may as well be in a foreign country (I mean you technically are essentially.)

This is not the same as a hotel charging somebody a cleaning fee for smoking or making a mess after they check out. Nor is it the same as removing somebody from the hotel for lying about occupancy claims. (This would be more along the lines of a hotel kicking somebody out for whatever reason, and seizing their valuables instead of returning them.)
This is seizing money from somebody that they lawfully are entitled to without a justification.
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What legal principle allows casinos not to pay a winning craps bet if they deem the roll to be a 'no roll'? The craps bet is won by the player unless the casino says you did not follow their policy to the letter. Is this simply a matter of casino policy or is there a statute regulating fair rolls in every jurisdiction? The casinos don't even have the courtesy to put up a nice big poster on the craps table so everyone is aware of the 'no roll' rules and policy.

The 'malfunctions void all pays' is also freerolling players. I am still trying to understand the legal underpinnings for this versus the 'no roll' and 'no play on another's card' rules.
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August 30th, 2023 at 11:49:00 AM permalink
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[Simply call gaming enforcement for your State. There will likely be no need to worry about court, it will be solved at their level.

I cannot imagine that a gaming agent getting called down to the floor at 3am because the casino will not pay somebody who was using a machine with their wife's card will end well for the casino.

Sure, tribal casinos all bets are off. But, I do not consider these U.S. casinos. You may as well be in a foreign country (I mean you technically are essentially.)

This is not the same as a hotel charging somebody a cleaning fee for smoking or making a mess after they check out. Nor is it the same as removing somebody from the hotel for lying about occupancy claims. (This would be more along the lines of a hotel kicking somebody out for whatever reason, and seizing their valuables instead of returning them.)
This is seizing money from somebody that they lawfully are entitled to without a justification.
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What legal principle allows casinos not to pay a winning craps bet if they deem the roll to be a 'no roll'? The craps bet is won by the player unless the casino says you did not follow their policy to the letter. Is this simply a matter of casino policy or is there a statute regulating fair rolls in every jurisdiction? The casinos don't even have the courtesy to put up a nice big poster on the craps table so everyone is aware of the 'no roll' rules and policy.

The 'malfunctions void all pays' is also freerolling players. I am still trying to understand the legal underpinnings for this versus the 'no roll' and 'no play on another's card' rules.
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This is different than a misdeal or a malfunction because it is money that the casino agrees was won legitimately, they are just not paying out because they do not like the behavior when playing.

Misdeals or malfunctions the winnings are voided, but you also are refunded for that play. I do not know the legal basis for these offhand, but I would imagine that it is well established (I have never heard of a casino losing.)

Even off of memory I can think of several people who sued a casino after being denied a slot jackpot during a malfunction spin (according to the casino), and I cannot think of one who was successful in their action. I cannot think of any kind of action or well-known news story for a misdeal (I am sure it has happened at some point, but not major news like slot malfunctions often are.) But, it seems to be common enough that if there was some kind of major legal hurdle the casinos would have already been forced to change.
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August 30th, 2023 at 11:58:48 AM permalink
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Quote: billryan

Quote: Gandler

Quote: billryan

It would take thirty seconds to see if the winner put the card in the machine or if it was in when they sat down. I think casinos can make their policy on who can use their card. Some casinos allow spouses to share accounts, others don't.
I remember Bob Dancer won a big giveaway using his wife's card and after a delay was paid for it.
I don't think this would be a slam dunk either way
link to original post



Deleting a rewards account and banning a player for misuse of rewards is one thing (and relatively common.)
The issue is not paying a jackpot that was legally won. I do not think this is allowed anywhere (in the U.S.)

Casinos can make their own policy about all kinds of things, they still need to pay out legal winnings. If they want to ban a player after they can (but they still need to pay.)
link to original post



I'm not sure. If a casino says only two people in a room and you have five, they can evict you. If you smoke in a room they designate as non-smoking, they can fine you for room cleaning. I'm not a lawyer and don't even stay at Hollyday Inns now that Choice Hotels is a sponsor. Lawyers are expensive, so how much must one win and be denied before it is worthwhile to take them to court? Good luck if it is a tribal casino.
Is this legal? Who knows, but until someone takes them to court and a judge says so, it is their policy.
link to original post



Simply call gaming enforcement for your State. There will likely be no need to worry about court, it will be solved at their level.

I cannot imagine that a gaming agent getting called down to the floor at 3am because the casino will not pay somebody who was using a machine with their wife's card will end well for the casino.

Sure, tribal casinos all bets are off. But, I do not consider these U.S. casinos. You may as well be in a foreign country (I mean you technically are essentially.)

This is not the same as a hotel charging somebody a cleaning fee for smoking or making a mess after they check out. Nor is it the same as removing somebody from the hotel for lying about occupancy claims. (This would be more along the lines of a hotel kicking somebody out for whatever reason, and seizing their valuables instead of returning them.)
This is seizing money from somebody that they lawfully are entitled to without a justification.
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In NJ, every sign posted in a casino needs approval from the casino gaming commission, or at least they did when I worked there 1999/2001ish. I'm not sure the commission would allow the casino to post an illegal policy, but as I said- I'm not a lawyer.
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August 30th, 2023 at 3:45:46 PM permalink
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… Also, don't many casinos still force you to share a card with your spouse (only 1 per address, etc....?) …
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Not at ANY of the casinos my wife and I play at.

And that’s something of a gripe of mine.

I mean, she’s a slot player. I play poker and craps. She is mathematically more valuable than me. I get that.

But if her higher tier earns her perks FOR TWO that I want to use but she doesn’t, why can’t I just use it?

For example, she gets free buffet and the short line. I get hungry. She doesn’t. Does the casino really want me to extricate her from her slot machine just so this fat fuck can fill his pie hole? Apparently! 😵‍💫
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August 30th, 2023 at 4:50:04 PM permalink
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… Also, don't many casinos still force you to share a card with your spouse (only 1 per address, etc....?) …
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Not at ANY of the casinos my wife and I play at.

And that’s something of a gripe of mine.

I mean, she’s a slot player. I play poker and craps. She is mathematically more valuable than me. I get that.

But if her higher tier earns her perks FOR TWO that I want to use but she doesn’t, why can’t I just use it?

For example, she gets free buffet and the short line. I get hungry. She doesn’t. Does the casino really want me to extricate her from her slot machine just so this fat fuck can fill his pie hole? Apparently! 😵‍💫
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Casinos consider anyone over 250lbs to be an advantage eater they will do anything to keep you out of the buffet.
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August 30th, 2023 at 5:40:54 PM permalink
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… Also, don't many casinos still force you to share a card with your spouse (only 1 per address, etc....?) …
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Not at ANY of the casinos my wife and I play at.

And that’s something of a gripe of mine.

I mean, she’s a slot player. I play poker and craps. She is mathematically more valuable than me. I get that.

But if her higher tier earns her perks FOR TWO that I want to use but she doesn’t, why can’t I just use it?

For example, she gets free buffet and the short line. I get hungry. She doesn’t. Does the casino really want me to extricate her from her slot machine just so this fat fuck can fill his pie hole? Apparently! 😵‍💫
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Casinos consider anyone over 250lbs to be an advantage eater they will do anything to keep you out of the buffet.
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lol

DJ, yes.
If she has an obvious female name, then the buffet cashier should reject you in trying to use her comps.
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September 1st, 2023 at 12:35:05 AM permalink
This is at Pala: https://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/index.php?threads/so-what-happens-if.202608/page-2#post-2613616

My work spouse is a frequent gambler and had mentioned that she was aware of several folks who played many friends and family cards through at Pala in the past. Interestingly Pala has the best video poker games in the area (with many 99.5%+) but also the least friendly comps policy, in addition to the above free play can't be used on video poker or table games, only slots. They seem to be generous with back end comps in the South Point style though. Personally I can't bear to make the drive over the hill from Pechanga when they have games which are good enough and easier to get to from the freeway.
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"Advantage eater" LOL!

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September 7th, 2023 at 8:40:17 AM permalink
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But if her higher tier earns her perks FOR TWO that I want to use but she doesn’t, why can’t I just use it?

For example, she gets free buffet and the short line. I get hungry. She doesn’t. Does the casino really want me to extricate her from her slot machine (...)
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(snipped. ahem.)

Is it a prime rib or crab legs day at the buffet?
The house may also be counting on her desire to get back to being one of their best players to abbreviate your advantage dining session.
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September 13th, 2023 at 10:30:14 AM permalink
I play at MGM Grand Detroit with my Dad. We'll often throw inn a $100 apiece and I'll just watch him play. We've hit handpays using my card where he took the W2 and nobody blinked an eye.The jackpot does show on my win/loss not his however. They don't care who takes the W@ so long as someone does and they've certainly never tried to deny us a payout.
I also won a handpay at Excalibur using my wife's card an d they paid me and let me take the W2 no problem.
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September 13th, 2023 at 10:49:34 AM permalink
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I play at MGM Grand Detroit with my Dad. We'll often throw inn a $100 apiece and I'll just watch him play. We've hit handpays using my card where he took the W2 and nobody blinked an eye.The jackpot does show on my win/loss not his however. They don't care who takes the W@ so long as someone does and they've certainly never tried to deny us a payout.
I also won a handpay at Excalibur using my wife's card an d they paid me and let me take the W2 no problem.
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Almost every B&M casino in the US is okay with this in my experience. The problem is if a casino explicitly says it is not okay with them and you play on another card anyway.

I believe every regulated online casino in the US explicitly says it is not okay to play on another persons account.
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