Rich Little Piggies
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July 7th, 2023 at 7:03:08 AM
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Wow, you had 30 games to go with both mega + grand one coin away and didnt hit either?Quote: IamSpartacusQuote: VegasriderWatched a couple play the other night. Got up to 48 free games, they kept running out of money. I along with a couple of people were waiting for them to abandon the machine. The machine next to them became available so I started to play that. I’d figure I would have the best shot of hopping on that machine in the event they left. I could easily insert my money as they got up. The blue pig popped without the yellow pig. 48 free games would have certainly been able to hit the big progressive if they could get the other pig to pop.
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No guarantee. Last summer I caught a $2.25 at 27 Blue and ran it up to 51 before it popped, luckily with the Yellow. I was one away from both Grand and Mega after 20 spins and hit neither.
Consider I had $700 in, I was lucky to only be a $40 loser.
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I guess in the future, i could stop the adrenaline rush with 10games to go
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 7th, 2023 at 3:16:46 PM
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I walk into the casino and see a bank of rich little piggies, check the denoms and see at $6 a spin all 3 piggies are fat: 16 free spins, no poker cards, grand jackpot at $1000.
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Hit the Grand and some other stuff with some good line pays for a hand pay of $1,461.86!!
Then a bizarre thing happened: the slot attendant told me to “press the spin button” before he would leave and go get my money… I pressed it assuming it would just unluck the handpay screen to get back to normal (and it did) but it also cost me another $6! Anyone ever have this happen?
First. Spin:
Hit the Grand and some other stuff with some good line pays for a hand pay of $1,461.86!!
Then a bizarre thing happened: the slot attendant told me to “press the spin button” before he would leave and go get my money… I pressed it assuming it would just unluck the handpay screen to get back to normal (and it did) but it also cost me another $6! Anyone ever have this happen?
July 7th, 2023 at 9:42:51 PM
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Some casinos gave rules about leaving a jackpot winning combination on the screen, so they want you to play it off. I believe you can refuse… I mean forcing you to gamble??? Or you can play the minimum amount that removes the combination.
July 8th, 2023 at 3:46:44 AM
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They used to record the winning combination on the jackpot slip so the casino would know if the same winning combination paid off on the same machine twice in a row. This worked for VP, but not so well if you hit 777 on a slot machine. Eventually, slots and even some VP had bonus rounds where you could generate a jackpot and there was no winning combination on the screen when the slot attendant came.Quote: rsactuarySome casinos gave rules about leaving a jackpot winning combination on the screen, so they want you to play it off. I believe you can refuse… I mean forcing you to gamble??? Or you can play the minimum amount that removes the combination.
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In the old days of coin droppers, certain slot attendants would just reach into the hopper and grab a few coins and put them into the coin acceptor after they closed the door. It helped if you tipped for every jackpot. I have received a free roll of $25 on a VP game many times 'to play off the jackpot' even though they knew I was probably going to keep on playing. I am sure this made the machine come up short when they did the drop.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
July 8th, 2023 at 9:06:34 AM
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Quote: 100xOddsWow, you had 30 games to go with both mega + grand one coin away and didnt hit either?Quote: IamSpartacusQuote: VegasriderWatched a couple play the other night. Got up to 48 free games, they kept running out of money. I along with a couple of people were waiting for them to abandon the machine. The machine next to them became available so I started to play that. I’d figure I would have the best shot of hopping on that machine in the event they left. I could easily insert my money as they got up. The blue pig popped without the yellow pig. 48 free games would have certainly been able to hit the big progressive if they could get the other pig to pop.
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No guarantee. Last summer I caught a $2.25 at 27 Blue and ran it up to 51 before it popped, luckily with the Yellow. I was one away from both Grand and Mega after 20 spins and hit neither.
Consider I had $700 in, I was lucky to only be a $40 loser.
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I guess in the future, i could stop the adrenaline rush with 10games to go
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I haven’t read the whole thread. Perhaps this was already mentioned. I haven’t played this a whole lot but almost every time it always ends one away from the grand or mega. It’s probably decided by RNG at the start of the free games and the coins collected don’t make a difference. It’s just another slot with a tease letting you think you were so close to hitting it big. It did give me the grand once, so obviously it does happen.
July 10th, 2023 at 7:19:06 AM
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Quote: 100xOddsyou're right.Quote: McSweeneyEither you have faith that the Random Number Generator is truly random for every single spin or you don't. You would do well to keep the faith.
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if it's +ev, keep playing till it hits, like my previous example:
/forum/gambling/slots/37286-rich-little-piggies/2/#post886902)
What i'm going to use my feast/famine feeling is on speculative plays like if the above example was 2.2x reset instead of 2.7x.
if it eats my 1st bill(s) w/o much return, i'm quitting
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I'm starting to question this idea. Not Rich Little Piggies, but I played a similar game with an unbounded progressive that through many many thousands (think 100k-200k+) spins a group of guys I know compiled determined is 1/1050 to pop. The machine I was on had 94% RTP and I brought $50k with me. Wound up having to call in my brother for backup money because I nearly ran out at $25 a spin after 5500 presses. We wound up taking approximately 8500 total presses to pop it. At some point, we were down nearly 50k, and with a total combined bankroll (once I called in two more folks to come over as backup) of approximately 200k were genuinely considering at what point we would give up on this play which had built up to over $5k of EV. We wound up getting fortunate and only wound up losing $19k through a streak of luck toward the end and we finally actually hit what we were chasing after 18.5 hours on the machine and 38 jackpot handpays.
But the point is, these "unbounded" progressives can be insanely damaging to a person's bankroll. The risk of ruin is absurd, and I'm starting to be skeptical if it's even rational for an AP with a finite bankroll to be risking something that can theoretically last infinitely. There's no reason why we couldn't have just still been on the machine for 40, 50, or 100 hours straight and lost it all. Nothing ever ensures the game has to pay you out with these, and that's truly terrifying.
If you're betting 2x2000 or more in blackjack, you can at least resize if you have a dramatic loss. Your risk of ruin is effectively zero (infinitesimally small) if you resize intelligently and are willing to simply accept that you can't bet that high anymore. If you go 100k down on a machine that forces you to bet $25, you can't resize. You have to keep betting $25 until it has completely killed your entire bankroll, or you finish.
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July 10th, 2023 at 9:13:52 AM
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Good post with plenty to think about. As I understand it, you went 8 cycles without hitting the jackpot. This is rare but, bit every gambler will have these droughts if they play long enough. If this streak happens when big money is on the line, the results can harm your bankroll and decrease your willingness to take on good AP opportunities in the future.Quote: ctslotsQuote: 100xOddsyou're right.Quote: McSweeneyEither you have faith that the Random Number Generator is truly random for every single spin or you don't. You would do well to keep the faith.
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if it's +ev, keep playing till it hits, like my previous example:
/forum/gambling/slots/37286-rich-little-piggies/2/#post886902)
What i'm going to use my feast/famine feeling is on speculative plays like if the above example was 2.2x reset instead of 2.7x.
if it eats my 1st bill(s) w/o much return, i'm quitting
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I'm starting to question this idea. Not Rich Little Piggies, but I played a similar game with an unbounded progressive that through many many thousands (think 100k-200k+) spins a group of guys I know compiled determined is 1/1050 to pop. The machine I was on had 94% RTP and I brought $50k with me. Wound up having to call in my brother for backup money because I nearly ran out at $25 a spin after 5500 presses. We wound up taking approximately 8500 total presses to pop it. At some point, we were down nearly 50k, and with a total combined bankroll (once I called in two more folks to come over as backup) of approximately 200k were genuinely considering at what point we would give up on this play which had built up to over $5k of EV. We wound up getting fortunate and only wound up losing $19k through a streak of luck toward the end and we finally actually hit what we were chasing after 18.5 hours on the machine and 38 jackpot handpays.
But the point is, these "unbounded" progressives can be insanely damaging to a person's bankroll. The risk of ruin is absurd, and I'm starting to be skeptical if it's even rational for an AP with a finite bankroll to be risking something that can theoretically last infinitely. There's no reason why we couldn't have just still been on the machine for 40, 50, or 100 hours straight and lost it all. Nothing ever ensures the game has to pay you out with these, and that's truly terrifying.
If you're betting 2x2000 or more in blackjack, you can at least resize if you have a dramatic loss. Your risk of ruin is effectively zero (infinitesimally small) if you resize intelligently and are willing to simply accept that you can't bet that high anymore. If you go 100k down on a machine that forces you to bet $25, you can't resize. You have to keep betting $25 until it has completely killed your entire bankroll, or you finish.
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I get a 1 in 3300 chance that you ran this bad on this particular attempt. Bayesian probability says that if there is uncertainty in the cycle length, then it is more probable that cycle length is off by a bit than that you ran this bad purely by chance. This is something to worry about when you are doing a play based on uncertain cycle length or uncertain RTP.
Just the fact that you see a jackpot at what appears to be 8 cycles beyond reset should make you question your estimate of cycle length. I am not saying your data is wrong, but you don't seem to have PAR sheets, so your cycle would appear to be an estimate.
I have only ever attacked must-hits that required such a large bankroll. Unless I tap out, I am guaranteed a fat payoff at the end. With hit-whenever jackpots, you can end up walking away in shame and then watching some other crew take the jackpot. I believe this happened at Bellagio a few years back on a $1M+ jackpot. I don't have a brother that would stake me that kind of money. I am glad you were able to see it through and recover some of your stake.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
July 10th, 2023 at 9:17:58 AM
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We actually do have a PAR for the game I'm discussing, but the PAR says nothing about the progressive we were chasing. It isn't even mentioned. Also, it was my money, but I was out of state with a trip bankroll of $50k. My brother was kind enough to drive 5 hours to give me another $100k of my own backup money, and I truly appreciate him for that. The casino we were in also allegedly gives extremely fat free play, so I won't be too surprised if we even turn a few thousand dollars profit after it's all redeemed. All in all, a fine result, but the despair caused when my 3 standard deviations estimate of max realistic loss was already being eclipsed with no end in sight was pretty dreadful in the moment.
You may be right that our cycle length is inaccurate given the probability to run that poorly being so low. That's something I'll have to discuss with some folks and maybe try to rework our calculator for the game.
You may be right that our cycle length is inaccurate given the probability to run that poorly being so low. That's something I'll have to discuss with some folks and maybe try to rework our calculator for the game.
July 10th, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM
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I have never had a PAR sheet. I always have to reverse engineer cycle lengths based on reel a mapping. I am gathering data on a linked mystery progressive where the hit-whenever jackpot is not tied to the reels -- it can drop after any paid game. The average hit point seems to be over 7 times reset value. I hit it at 12 times reset and someone else took it down at at least 16 times reset when I was out of the country. It has also gone off at lower levels. I have spent some time thinking about how to get the best estimate of uncertainty for the cycle length based on very limited data. I am sure that confidence intervals for Poisson distributions is a standard problem in probability. I shouldn't try to reinvent the wheel.Quote: ctslotsWe actually do have a PAR for the game I'm discussing, but the PAR says nothing about the progressive we were chasing. It isn't even mentioned. Also, it was my money, but I was out of state with a trip bankroll of $50k. My brother was kind enough to drive 5 hours to give me another $100k of my own backup money, and I truly appreciate him for that.
You may be right that our cycle length is inaccurate given the probability to run that poorly being so low. That's something I'll have to discuss with some folks and maybe try to rework our calculator for the game.
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The game in question has a very low max bet and plays very slowly, so nobody hammers it until it is over 10x reset. I just play it during promos until it gets that high.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
July 10th, 2023 at 12:55:26 PM
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Quote: ctslotsQuote: 100xOddsyou're right.Quote: McSweeneyEither you have faith that the Random Number Generator is truly random for every single spin or you don't. You would do well to keep the faith.
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if it's +ev, keep playing till it hits, like my previous example:
/forum/gambling/slots/37286-rich-little-piggies/2/#post886902)
What i'm going to use my feast/famine feeling is on speculative plays like if the above example was 2.2x reset instead of 2.7x.
if it eats my 1st bill(s) w/o much return, i'm quitting
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I'm starting to question this idea. Not Rich Little Piggies, but I played a similar game with an unbounded progressive that through many many thousands (think 100k-200k+) spins a group of guys I know compiled determined is 1/1050 to pop. The machine I was on had 94% RTP and I brought $50k with me. Wound up having to call in my brother for backup money because I nearly ran out at $25 a spin after 5500 presses. We wound up taking approximately 8500 total presses to pop it. At some point, we were down nearly 50k, and with a total combined bankroll (once I called in two more folks to come over as backup) of approximately 200k were genuinely considering at what point we would give up on this play which had built up to over $5k of EV. We wound up getting fortunate and only wound up losing $19k through a streak of luck toward the end and we finally actually hit what we were chasing after 18.5 hours on the machine and 38 jackpot handpays.
But the point is, these "unbounded" progressives can be insanely damaging to a person's bankroll. The risk of ruin is absurd, and I'm starting to be skeptical if it's even rational for an AP with a finite bankroll to be risking something that can theoretically last infinitely. There's no reason why we couldn't have just still been on the machine for 40, 50, or 100 hours straight and lost it all. Nothing ever ensures the game has to pay you out with these, and that's truly terrifying.
If you're betting 2x2000 or more in blackjack, you can at least resize if you have a dramatic loss. Your risk of ruin is effectively zero (infinitesimally small) if you resize intelligently and are willing to simply accept that you can't bet that high anymore. If you go 100k down on a machine that forces you to bet $25, you can't resize. You have to keep betting $25 until it has completely killed your entire bankroll, or you finish.
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I can't comment on uncapped progressives specifically, but any machine that doesn't have a "must hit by" (Piggies being one and a couple others) are just ones that you really have to think to yourself "what's the worse that could happen?" And then hedge yourself 10x that. You also have to consider the time it takes doing said uncapped progressive and what other stuff you would be missing out on in the meantime and whether it's worth it.
Personally for me, there is only one uncapped game that I play at the lowest 2 bet levels, and I do it more for point building than the EV because it's highly volatile and I've had it almost murder my initial BR before I got lucky. And since I don't really have the expertise to figure out the exact math (and it's not like I can get a PAR sheet anyway), I've gotten most of my entry points from talking to other vultures.
Theres one particular time I took it thinking to myself that it was a slam dunk play, and the worse I've ever had it was 612 spins to hit on 200 bucks of BR at the lowest bet level, so I just double the 200 since the bet level was double and thought I would be fine....nope....I thought at around 250 spins in and being down more than 250$ I'd have to shell out a lot more than I thought I would. I ended up getting lucky and ending up profitable, but the direction it was heading I thought I finally bit off more than I could chew and I'd have to end up putting in 800 bucks and losing around 400. I know that's not a lot in the grand scheme of things but for me a 1k win is really really nice for me so being down 300+ for me is...not to fun, but so far I've been lucky enough to not have a play go that far south.
It's stuff like that though that I prefer quick turnaround plays that don't take to long, I know the losses won't kill me, and I know as long as I keep doing them the EV will eventually add up. That and some plays at my current BR I just have no business taking unless I had a partner to work with.
July 17th, 2023 at 11:39:14 AM
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Is it possible for slots that have an "exploding" bonus all line bets are rng......but the explosions are determined by a preset changing number of spins or amount of money bet between bonuses. This way the machine has total control over the bonuses and they are not left to chance in the short term.
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July 17th, 2023 at 6:02:03 PM
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Im very surprised you asked this question concidering the very specific question you directed at MDawg. Someone knowledgeable enough to askQuote: MagisterIf everything can be beaten now, blackjack, roulette, slot machines then how do casinos remain open?
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would almost certainly understand how odd this question is.Quote: MagisterMost players can't get down a 1-8 spread. How are you able to play a 1-50 spread for 10 consecutive hours?
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It's as if you made two quick seemingly innocent posts to cover up your real motivation leading to the one directed at MDawg(A VERY Valid question, I might add)
I believe you are probably a Kewl guy, but let's not pussyfoot around while wasting time on nonlegitimate posts/questions to cover your tracks.
Assuming this is all just pure coincidence(highly unlikely) I'll help answer the obvious question. First off, some people are full of it, and they are not beating anything but themselves.
Not all games can be beaten all the time... only some games can be beaten some of the time. There are some rare situations where a specific game has a theoretical player advantage. The easiest one to understand /describe would be Full Pay Video Poker where the paytable/odds when calculated are over 100% when played correctly using a proper strategy.
Other games such as Roulette can only be Advantage Played(beaten over the long term)when someone is given something extra outside the game itself. Promotions, mail, loss rebates etc.
Roulette is actually special since there are other methods such as biased wheels and clocking is possible.
Again, most Player Advantages come from the fact that casinos offer incentives to players. Advantage Players tend to only play when they have an advantage derived from those extras, and they move on once those incentives dry up.
Variable State/ accumulator /banking/must hit by/Progressive slots are only beatable(Player Advantage) at certain times under certain conditions. Oftentimes, other advantage plays such as promotions and generous Marketing offers get shut down.
99% of the gambling population is playing at a disadvantage. Thats how casinos remain open.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 17th, 2023 at 6:59:09 PM
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Simple. People don't want to go to a casino and follow the instructions of a 90 year-old mathematician any more than they want to go to a club and dance to Straus waltzes. They want to do what they want to do. If they wanted to follow instructions, they would have stayed at work and caught up on those reports the boss requested.Quote: MagisterIf everything can be beaten now, blackjack, roulette, slot machines then how do casinos remain open?
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Almost nobody breaks new ground in terms of creating legitimate new methods to beat casinos. But, anyone can make random hunches on what to play and how to bet. These hunches/systems can be spectacularly successful on occasion, and the player 'owns' that system. They did not robotically implement something they read. They created that winning moment.
I have a lot of relatives that wonder how I can make a living gambling. When I show them or explain it to them, they want no part of it. They head off to their favorite game and leave me to my work.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
July 17th, 2023 at 7:54:36 PM
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Your post wasn't offensive. It's possible I'm off base with this. I have been wrong once or twice.Quote: MagisterReading this forum over the weekend, I had questions about 3 different sections, winning slot machine play, winning blackjack play and winning roulette play. Today I decided to join and ask about each. I am sorry if I did or said something wrong. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
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I can't give you all the details as it's a no-no to bring drama here from another forum(It's a real doozy). Your timing (the main character went on "Vacation" just as you sprung up) and question to MDawg is impeccable. Only two people that I know of, me being one of them, have hammered on that legitimate point. And again, your timing is suspicious.
Here is one of the few threads you can bring yourself up to date: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showthread.php?7325-The-Verdict-Is
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 17th, 2023 at 9:04:24 PM
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Your 2 posts seem to be in line with a legitimate newbie asking a legitimate question. However, this question.Quote: MagisterI clicked on your link and read a page and have no idea what I read or what that had to do with the questions I asked.
I asked a question about each of three topics here, winning roulette, winning blackjack and winning slots. I am not sure what I did wrong, but I withdraw the questions and won't bother you again.
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"Most players can't get down a 1-8 spread. How are you able to play a 1-50 spread for 10 consecutive hours?"
Is more in line with a more advanced question that only someone with some knowledge would know to ask. If one knows to even ask that question in such a specific way it would be difficult to believe that person wouldn't know the answer to the question you asked here.
It seems odd you would even have found you're way to the MDawgs thread, as the title doesn't even suggest anything about gambling or winning.
Ok, it's a prominent thread, so it's possible. But out of ALL the questions one could ask, you just happen to ask that specific one? I would think asking how he knows what the next card out is, or something else would be more in tune with a new member's question.
You must have read quite a bit of that thread to happen to run into the few posts where he mentions outrageous betting spreads on blackjack.
You're like Spiderman(🤔) knowing who, where, when, and what villains to target. Well TBH, my Spidey senses are tingling off the charts.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 18th, 2023 at 5:42:16 AM
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I don't think you did anything wrong. Sometimes people create accounts under a new screen name just to attack someone. Forum members are sometimes suspicious if a new poster sounds like someone they heard from before. Nothing in your posts seems unusual to me.Quote: MagisterI clicked on your link and read a page and have no idea what I read or what that had to do with the questions I asked.
I asked a question about each of three topics here, winning roulette, winning blackjack and winning slots. I am not sure what I did wrong, but I withdraw the questions and won't bother you again.
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Please just keep posting.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
July 20th, 2023 at 6:49:12 AM
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Quote: McSweeneyEither you have faith that the Random Number Generator is truly random for every single spin or you don't. You would do well to keep the faith.
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Results:
and 25x line hit for like $300 more! wahoo!!
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 23rd, 2023 at 3:17:09 AM
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Had a new record number of free games today - 51
Sadly it was on 75 cents so even though it popped alongside the yellow pig, even though I had 4/5 grand tokens and 5/6 mega tokens only 26 spins in, neither hit. Still a $197 bonus but still… I wish they’d post more concrete odds info than just “increase wager increases chance of grand or mega”
When I hit the grand a few weeks ago it was only on 16 free games, but a $6 bet. Apparently 75 cents it ain’t happening no matter how many games you have …
Sadly it was on 75 cents so even though it popped alongside the yellow pig, even though I had 4/5 grand tokens and 5/6 mega tokens only 26 spins in, neither hit. Still a $197 bonus but still… I wish they’d post more concrete odds info than just “increase wager increases chance of grand or mega”
When I hit the grand a few weeks ago it was only on 16 free games, but a $6 bet. Apparently 75 cents it ain’t happening no matter how many games you have …
July 23rd, 2023 at 9:58:48 AM
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I got the Grand on a $1.50 bet once.
July 30th, 2023 at 7:22:12 PM
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I saw something today I haven't seen before, but I have not played a large sample size. Not only did the Blue, Yellow, and Red all pop together, but there was an extra Yellow. Blue, Red, and two Yellows. I thought it was interesting.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
July 30th, 2023 at 7:33:52 PM
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yup, i've had all 4.Quote: bobbartopI saw something today I haven't seen before, but I have not played a large sample size. Not only did the Blue, Yellow, and Red all pop together, but there was an extra Yellow. Blue, Red, and two Yellows. I thought it was interesting.
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never seen a double yellow before till this happened.
so i'm guessing double yellow is a sign that all 3 will pop
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 30th, 2023 at 9:38:16 PM
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From what I've seen in limited play, all three colors showing is practically a "sure" thing that they will all pop. Not really a sure thing, but USUALLY they all pop. I've had all three colors show and only the Blue and Yellow popped, which was good enough for me. Weird game, I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall when they were designing it. I'd like to see the par sheets, if there are par sheets. Might be an encyclopedia.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
July 31st, 2023 at 4:53:27 AM
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I hate it when theres a blue/yellow and only the blue pops.Quote: bobbartopI've had all three colors show and only the Blue and Yellow popped, which was good enough for me.
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that's worse than just a blue and it popping because hope/expectations.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
August 1st, 2023 at 1:02:54 AM
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I've personally had a grand (thats the 2nd from the top right?) pop on 75c. had like 24 games and got it like 14 games in. I was astounded, and very happy. Sadly this happened at a place where it was a static 500 prize, but still :).
August 1st, 2023 at 9:28:36 AM
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Quote: bobbartopFrom what I've seen in limited play, all three colors showing is practically a "sure" thing that they will all pop. Not really a sure thing, but USUALLY they all pop. I've had all three colors show and only the Blue and Yellow popped, which was good enough for me. Weird game, I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall when they were designing it. I'd like to see the par sheets, if there are par sheets. Might be an encyclopedia.
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All 3 showing up is hardly a guarantee. My non-scientific estimate is that with all 3 coins, the chance of all 3 popping is probably somewhere around 50-75%.
I've seen all 3 showing up and ONLY blue popping. Not a good day :)
I've also had 4 (2 yellows) a couple of times. I THINK they all popped every time that happened, but sample size is too small to say it happens for sure.
August 1st, 2023 at 9:30:19 AM
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Witnessed a guy playing $45 recently. He eventually popped all 3 with 46 free spins. At $11k win, he barely got his money back.
August 5th, 2023 at 1:14:17 PM
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Rich Little Piggies was a HUGE moneymaker for me like 6 months ago. Now it's almost completely dried up. Even casuals are coming to the casino now and checking all the bet levels for fat pigs. If I had to blame one game for making advantage play mainstream, it'd be this one.
September 3rd, 2023 at 4:17:05 AM
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September 3rd, 2023 at 4:17:48 AM
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Quote: MagisterIf everything can be beaten now, blackjack, roulette, slot machines then how do casinos remain open?
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Well, it’s not that easy to win money even players have an edge.
For example, playing video poker with an edge can still gets you a losing year even you play every hand with an edge and perfectly.
Unless you have a big edge like 5% of every hand you play, you still likely to lose with small edge. This why casinos kick UX hustlers the soon they see them in Vegas area.
September 5th, 2023 at 6:10:42 AM
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Quote: McSweeneyEither you have faith that the Random Number Generator is truly random for every single spin or you don't. You would do well to keep the faith.
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Lots of elephants (8 oak!). Didn't hit the progressive but great line pay.
Shortly after the elephants, it dried up.
went from +$200 to -$600 when water buffalo finally hit for around $325.
And there was around $500 worth of spins in a row with no hits!
Lost $300. Worst lost yet.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
October 1st, 2023 at 3:20:15 PM
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Is Rich Little Hens the same number? I've only seen it on YouTube, not locally yet.
October 2nd, 2023 at 4:23:34 PM
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check out this video
November 14th, 2023 at 9:30:49 AM
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can't believe I got this:Quote: McSweeneyI also was up on Big 5 Safari/Pyramid Progressives after my first 500 spins or so. I got cocky and started playing when Buffalo was like $40.00 at minimum bet (or higher bet equivalent). The house edge caught up to me and now I am deeply in the negative and will not touch the game again unless Buffalo and/or Rhino are extremely high.
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I was chasing leopards when I got lions! Only $600 lost.
But since leopards was over 2x, I kept playing.
Overall lost $2k and never got it. :(
5k points so 60% return if I don't count the Lions.
What's even worse was that I never got the ox.
Never imagined $5k coin-in not getting the ox?!?
Also, never got a 25x or above multiplier.
And only got 2 decent hits with 5x.
Only got 2 shots at Leopards and obviously missed.
What's the return of the base game?
And what do you think the overall return of my machine is? (I'm thinking the minimum of 85%?)
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Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
November 14th, 2023 at 11:05:15 AM
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Quote: BTLWIIs Rich Little Hens the same number? I've only seen it on YouTube, not locally yet.
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Only played it once and assumed the same numbers.
January 13th, 2024 at 2:10:12 PM
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oh yeah volatile!Quote: MentalI believe every Safari level is between 27 and 32% to hit after you fill the screen. But, I am 3 for 7 on the top level. Two for seven would be within my estimated range, so this was probably just good fortune. I am quite confident that they don't gaffe the higher levels so that they never pay.
The game is extremely volatile. You could lose money at 10x reset.
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I was in for $1500 so lost $550. :(
Volatile indeed!
And in all those spins, never got a winning double 5x.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
January 25th, 2024 at 5:09:40 AM
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Quote: MentalI believe every Safari level is between 27 and 32% to hit after you fill the screen. But, I am 3 for 7 on the top level. Two for seven would be within my estimated range, so this was probably just good fortune. I am quite confident that they don't gaffe the higher levels so that they never pay.
The game is extremely volatile. You could lose money at 10x reset.
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Chasing naked Green because I'm bored. (I need to stop doing that!)
Results:
Hit Elephants! But missed leopards twice. Walked away with a nice profit.
I probably should have stayed since the game was paying. Was over $1k mark twice. Opposite of my previous post. Volatile indeed!
But with hitting the elephants, I was no longer bored.
Note: Emotion is a bad reason to walk away with profits while playing -ev. It should be something logical like hitting a bonus and have a profit while -ev. (Ie: Should have walked after hitting Elephants)
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
February 29th, 2024 at 12:10:39 PM
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Quote: 100xOddsoh yeah volatile!Quote: MentalI believe every Safari level is between 27 and 32% to hit after you fill the screen. But, I am 3 for 7 on the top level. Two for seven would be within my estimated range, so this was probably just good fortune. I am quite confident that they don't gaffe the higher levels so that they never pay.
The game is extremely volatile. You could lose money at 10x reset.
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I was in for $1500 so lost $550. :(
Volatile indeed!
And in all those spins, never got a winning double 5x.
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1st time getting full screen with double 5x.
Didn't get the progressive, which was near reset.
I was chasing rhinos at 2.1x reset.
I got this within 1min of starting. I was happy with the profit and cashed out.
Sidenote: Only hit triple 5x (125x) once. Symbols were only 1st 4 columns and none were full columns
I've never seen 625x
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
March 2nd, 2024 at 6:29:38 PM
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In my market the trust fund babies love blowing their bankrolls chasing the pigs, wolf/cat run and buffalo diamond. People who play these games and say they’re AP’s are really just gambling addicts.
March 3rd, 2024 at 3:49:56 AM
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Quote: SlotenthusiastIn my market the trust fund babies love blowing their bankrolls chasing the pigs, wolf/cat run and buffalo diamond. People who play these games and say they’re AP’s are really just gambling addicts.
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Anyone know what the rtp settings are for this game?
85%, 87%, 88%, 90%, 92%, 94%?
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i know one casino is set to 87%.
and another one pays better.
and another one pays worse in that blue doesn't increase that rapidly and i frequently just hit the blue pig alone. (i think you need 20+ blue before playing this version)
Just curious how many steps above/below 87% the other casinos are
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Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
March 3rd, 2024 at 8:13:29 AM
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Quote: BTLWIIs Rich Little Hens the same number? I've only seen it on YouTube, not locally yet.
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Only got Major once in 29 games!
In the regular version, it's least 3 times at 87% machine.
So this is either a 85% machine or coin distribution is much different than original
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
March 5th, 2024 at 5:05:14 AM
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Quote: VegasriderQuote: HunterhillI’ve had as many as 67 free games and didn’t hit the grand or the mega.
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Some woman left me 52 games since she ran out of money. I got it up to 62 games and then the worst thing happened. Only the blue pig popped
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1 more for both Grand and Mega with 10 games to go.
Wasn't expecting the Mega but also didn't get the Grand :(
As for only Blue popping:
My worse $ lost wise was $30/spin, got only Blue (24 spins). Won $500 (16x bet).
My worse spin wise was Blue = 40s.
Also, it seems like Red doesn't matter.
I've seen people get red with just the 10 removed and get full screen pigs. And others got all minor symbols removed and squat for payout.
What's even more infuriating was Blue/Red popping on Hog Wild version with 100 wilds and no good hits as if only Blue popped
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
March 5th, 2024 at 8:43:49 AM
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What REALLY gets me is when the damn piggies look ready to "give birth," any spin and DON'T! 🫠😒
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March 7th, 2024 at 10:23:25 AM
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VegasMatt defiinitely knows what he's doing, or has people on his team who know how to shave an edge. He might even (likely?) be profitable after all the YouTube revenue plus comps.Quote: szacheck out this video
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"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
March 9th, 2024 at 8:42:38 AM
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Quote: MentalI believe every Safari level is between 27 and 32% to hit after you fill the screen. But, I am 3 for 7 on the top level. Two for seven would be within my estimated range, so this was probably just good fortune. I am quite confident that they don't gaffe the higher levels so that they never pay.
The game is extremely volatile. You could lose money at 10x reset.
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$1.50 chasing leopards.
3rd time I missed
Down$900... Can't believe I'm down 600x bet
And I ran out of time. It's never taken 2hrs+ to hit before.
Ugg... :(
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
March 10th, 2024 at 1:18:30 PM
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I have seen 62-63 blue 2 times before. I had it 2-3 times in the 40s also. when you hit blue and yellow into the 20s you should expect 100-150x your bet if you dont hit mega/grand.
March 20th, 2024 at 8:05:45 AM
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Pshhhhh🙄
March 20th, 2024 at 12:01:40 PM
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i see 2 campers sitting, a 3rd one standing trying to cut the 2 sitting.Quote: OKAYPshhhhh🙄
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What else is there to the pic?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
March 20th, 2024 at 3:09:37 PM
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Quote: 100xOddsi see 2 campers sitting, a 3rd one standing trying to cut the 2 sitting.Quote: OKAYPshhhhh🙄
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What else is there to the pic?
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😆
March 20th, 2024 at 10:07:19 PM
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What does the wild meter really mean? On 100 you certainly don’t get 100 wilds in the games so what’s up with that?
March 21st, 2024 at 2:40:26 AM
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Quote: PenguinsOfPitWhat does the wild meter really mean? On 100 you certainly don’t get 100 wilds in the games so what’s up with that?
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It's the old "up to" trick.
Like new members bonuses. "Win up to $1000" and for every 100,000 people who sign up one person wins $1000 and the rest get on average $10.
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