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April 1st, 2022 at 6:56:08 PM permalink
I haven't been to Las Vegas for a few years but I frequent tribal casinos and I've not seen any skill based machine games on the floor.

There was a lot of discussion about them here a few years ago, in fact one forum member helped develop and display one.

My question: any new developments in this area?
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April 1st, 2022 at 7:57:09 PM permalink
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I haven't been to Las Vegas for a few years but I frequent tribal casinos and I've not seen any skill based machine games on the floor.

There was a lot of discussion about them, in fact one forum member helped develop and display one.

My question: any new developments in this area?
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so i dont think this is very relevant per se about "new" developments but i just recently learned what the "skill" is in pennsylvania

the skill is recognizing whether or not a "wild" symbol will actually complete a 3 symbol pattern
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April 1st, 2022 at 8:20:06 PM permalink
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Quote: MrV

I haven't been to Las Vegas for a few years but I frequent tribal casinos and I've not seen any skill based machine games on the floor.

There was a lot of discussion about them, in fact one forum member helped develop and display one.

My question: any new developments in this area?
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so i dont think this is very relevant per se about "new" developments but i just recently learned what the "skill" is in pennsylvania

the skill is recognizing whether or not a "wild" symbol will actually complete a 3 symbol pattern
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Last time I played PA Skills, they displayed what the result of the next game would be at a given bet level, so you could skillfully decide if you wanted to pay $2 for an $18 prize or not.

I know it was a nuisance to cycle all the bet levels to decide what the next favorable play would be.

("Bombs and Bombshells"... definitely for amusement only.)
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April 2nd, 2022 at 6:26:01 AM permalink
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Quote: MrV

I haven't been to Las Vegas for a few years but I frequent tribal casinos and I've not seen any skill based machine games on the floor.

There was a lot of discussion about them, in fact one forum member helped develop and display one.

My question: any new developments in this area?
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so i dont think this is very relevant per se about "new" developments but i just recently learned what the "skill" is in pennsylvania

the skill is recognizing whether or not a "wild" symbol will actually complete a 3 symbol pattern
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Last time I played PA Skills, they displayed what the result of the next game would be at a given bet level, so you could skillfully decide if you wanted to pay $2 for an $18 prize or not.

I know it was a nuisance to cycle all the bet levels to decide what the next favorable play would be.

("Bombs and Bombshells"... definitely for amusement only.)
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Woops yes that is the second skill you must have
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April 4th, 2022 at 9:23:12 AM permalink
Fascinating.. I just watched the video on https://www.paceomatic.com/skill-games explaining their Skill games. He literally says that it's possible, with skill, to win on every single play.

While I'm sure there's more nuance to that, I wish we had these here because I'd love to try it out for myself just to understand the catch. I'm guessing the catch is that you might always be able to "win" 20c for a $1 bet or similar.
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April 4th, 2022 at 10:58:22 AM permalink
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April 13th, 2022 at 7:44:10 PM permalink
I encountered Missouri NCG machines recently.
The huge disclaimer sticker is amusing. (I will try to sneak a photo of the disclaimer if I get a chance and the kindly gas station staff don't enthusiastically discourage photography.)

Not my video, but possibly informative:

The result preview gives new meaning to the state's nickname.
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April 14th, 2022 at 6:21:12 AM permalink
I'm also interested in skill games.
Here is an unusual and interesting version of the game in the online version: Fishtable

If sombody knows more, please share : )
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April 14th, 2022 at 5:47:27 PM permalink


Sorry for the ongoing image rotation problems. Every time I think I've got it sorted, I mess it up again.

Summary: these games are not gambling under the state law definition, because the machine informs you what the result will be (unless you wish to be surprised and do not check).

Missouri is a strange place.
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April 14th, 2022 at 6:00:03 PM permalink
How's this?

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April 14th, 2022 at 6:58:43 PM permalink
so far ive got this

The amusement device to which this disclaimer is attached provides each player of the device with information on the specific outcome of each electronic amusement game offered ______. The information with respect to each ___ outcome is provided prior to each players participation in any such game. Consequently the amusement device is deisgned to provide no contest and no-chance in the games offered to its players.

Section ___.01014 of the Missouri revised statutes defines that constitutes "gambling" in the state of missouri. Chapter572 of the missouri revised statutes ______ has various restrictions on certain activities and equipment related to "gambling". Only those activities that meet the definition of gambling are restricted under chaper ___
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April 14th, 2022 at 8:25:07 PM permalink
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How's this?
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Lovely. Thanks.
Hard to balance the SEC biscuit and drinks in one hand and photo steadily with the other, I'm afraid.

I didn't investigate the machines further before moving on. I doubt there is much available beyond an occasional vulture play, unless you find the Bathtime Bucks ducks irresistably charming.
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April 14th, 2022 at 8:35:56 PM permalink
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so far ive got this

The amusement device to which this disclaimer is attached provides each player of the device with information on the specific outcome of each electronic amusement game offered ______. The information with respect to each ___ outcome is provided prior to each players participation in any such game. Consequently the amusement device is deisgned to provide no contest and no-chance in the games offered to its players.

Section ___.01014 of the Missouri revised statutes defines that constitutes "gambling" in the state of missouri. Chapter572 of the missouri revised statutes ______ has various restrictions on certain activities and equipment related to "gambling". Only those activities that meet the definition of gambling are restricted under chaper ___
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1. thereon
2. such
3. §572.010(4)
4. further
5. 572
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