Regal Riches
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The bank of blue wilds triggers at random on an initial spin. It usually hits when there 8 to 12 wilds in the blue bank. This feature happens a lot, about every 20 spins.
The other color banks trigger when you get a free spin bonus. For example, let's say you trigger a bonus with 50 free spins. Free spins bonuses are 10 spins. Over those ten spins, you will get 50 wilds. How they are distributed across the ten free spins seems largely random.
I think there is not much long-term value in chasing games with more than so-many blue wilds banked. Rather, if the yellow, purple and green banks get above a certain point, or perhaps two are close to these individual break-even points, then the game becomes +EV.
In an effort to gather data to help find these yellow, purple, and green breakeven points, I recorded over half an hour of play and uploaded it to this video.
Direct link: https://youtu.be/bkXz8xSBTeo
The question for the poll is how many green wilds would you need to see before playing?
Quote: Wizard<snip>The other color banks trigger when you get a free spin bonus. For example, let's say you trigger a bonus with 50 free spins. Free spins bonuses are 10 spins. Over those ten spins, you will get 50 wilds. How they are distributed across the ten free spins seems largely random.
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Wizard,
I have played this game numerous times. My experience is that the 10th spin in the bonus round is almost always very lucrative, because the machine seems to "save up" the Wilds so that the final spin has a more-than-average number of them.
Another version of this game with a Chinese theme is called "Prosperity Pearl": other than the symbols, the two games are identical.
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
Quote: DogHandAnother version of this game with a Chinese theme is called "Prosperity Pearl": other than the symbols, the two games are identical.
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I've also heard Scarabs and Diamond Mania are skins of Regal Riches. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Quote: WizardQuote: DogHandAnother version of this game with a Chinese theme is called "Prosperity Pearl": other than the symbols, the two games are identical.
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I've also heard Scarabs and Diamond Mania are skins of Regal Riches. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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I'm familiar with Scarab and from the description you give it's not the same.
Scarab is more like Golden Jungle Grand with a ten spin cycle. Only wilds appear on the screen in various positions instead of being saved up as GB. On the tenth spin, the Scarabs turn wild but not entire reels.
If anything I would call Golden Jungle Grand a cross between Golden Egypt and Scarab.
Quote: WizardQuote: DogHandAnother version of this game with a Chinese theme is called "Prosperity Pearl": other than the symbols, the two games are identical.
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I've also heard Scarabs and Diamond Mania are skins of Regal Riches. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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Diamond mania is another skin of scarabs but neither game has any similarities to regal/prosperity pearl.
The wild spin triggers quicker the higher the count. You will rarely spin more than a few times if you catch a machine at 10+ blue wilds.
Of course you still need to catch a good symbol and screen with the wilds. It can definitely line up poorly at times.
Quote: linksjunkieWiz I must disagree. There is a lot of value chasing blue wilds.
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He did use the qualifier “long term.” Makes sense with the qualifier.
Edited to add: I played until the purple hit (at a lower level bet, I forget how much, I think $1.50). From what I remember, each bet level had a seperate set of wilds accumulating.
Purple: 30, 75
Green: 40, 100
Yellow: 50, 125
Quote: WizardHere is my understanding of the reset and must-hit-by values of the bonus wilds:
Purple: 30, 75
Green: 40, 100
Yellow: 50, 125
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Blue 5, 50
Quote: linksjunkieAs far as the green wilds - 85 entry
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Agreed. 80 seems risky. Would love to see if the Wizard comes up with a strategy for the 3 big ones. 9 or 10 on blue almost always seem to be +EV.
Playable #s hugely dependent on what the machine return is set at.Quote: WizardHere is my understanding of the reset and must-hit-by values of the bonus wilds:
Purple: 30, 75
Green: 40, 100
Yellow: 50, 125
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So when you post your #'s, please also list the return % of the machine you're basing those #s on.
Quote: 100xOddsSo when you post your #'s, please also list the return % of the machine you're basing those #s on.
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Good suggestion. My numbers on Golden Jungle Grand assumed a 90% machine.
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Seems to me the Blue usually gets very quickly once getting to 12 or so. I don't think I've ever seen it accumulate more than 15, but, then again, I have played it only about 45 minutes total.
Quote: darkozI'm familiar with Scarab and from the description you give it's not the same.
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I have looked at videos of both, and you seem to be right. They have a similar bonus round with lots of wilds, but they evidently don't accumulate in the way they do in Regal Riches.
However, Prosperity Pearl does indeed seem to be a skin. Here are videos of all three games mentioned.
Prosperity Pearl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NYRvFsYkYY
Scarab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_OOGVcB12Q
Diamond Mania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xq-o3Q-w38
In surfing about this game, I found this site, which seems a pretty good write-up, especially compared to the usual garage that is web sites about slot machines: https://www.knowyourslots.com/regal-riches-more-complex-igt-game-with-bonus-meters/. It says, in part, that when the number of wilds appears in flames, it indicates it has surpassed the average hit point.
Quote: WizardQuote: darkozI'm familiar with Scarab and from the description you give it's not the same.
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I have looked at videos of both, and you seem to be right. They have a similar bonus round with lots of wilds, but they evidently don't accumulate in the way they do in Regal Riches.
However, Prosperity Pearl does indeed seem to be a skin. Here are videos of all three games mentioned.
Prosperity Pearl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NYRvFsYkYY
Scarab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_OOGVcB12Q
Diamond Mania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xq-o3Q-w38
In surfing about this game, I found this site, which seems a pretty good write-up, especially compared to the usual garage that is web sites about slot machines: https://www.knowyourslots.com/regal-riches-more-complex-igt-game-with-bonus-meters/. It says, in part, that when the number of wilds appears in flames, it indicates it has surpassed the average hit point.
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In Scarab the wilds accumulate the same way as golden jungle. The Scarabs come down randomly and lock where they land however instead of being placed above the reel like the Golden Buddha. On the tenth spin, only the positions with accumulated Scarabs turn wild as opposed to the entire reel with a Golden Buddha
Note I have seen three versions of Scarab.
1) Scarabs lock and REMAIN in their position on the tenth spin.
2) Scarabs lock and on the tenth spin rearrange position making predictions of the final advantage win more difficult to predict.
3) Scarab Grand which has a jackpot ($1000 for the $1 spin multiplier up to $5000 for the $5 spin) which is if you get the entire screen the same symbol.
Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: WizardHere is my understanding of the reset and must-hit-by values of the bonus wilds:
Purple: 30, 75
Green: 40, 100
Yellow: 50, 125
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Blue 5, 50
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this simply can't be right. The Blues award all wilds on the next spin and there's only 20 spots. There is a YouTube video that I watched where it hit 20 and they got a screen full of wilds. Unfortunately, I can't remember who did it.
Quote: rsactuaryQuote: PokerGrinderQuote: WizardHere is my understanding of the reset and must-hit-by values of the bonus wilds:
Purple: 30, 75
Green: 40, 100
Yellow: 50, 125
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Blue 5, 50
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this simply can't be right. The Blues award all wilds on the next spin and there's only 20 spots. There is a YouTube video that I watched where it hit 20 and they got a screen full of wilds. Unfortunately, I can't remember who did it.
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rsactuary,
Perhaps you don't know that more than one Wild can land on the same position: if so, that position becomes Wildx2, then Wildx3, etc. I have seen Wildx5 in my play.
Dog Hand
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Purple Meter — The entry point should be around 64 Purple wilds.
Green Meter — The entry point should be around 85 Green wilds.
Purple Meter — The entry point should be around 106 Yellow wilds.
last meter should say Yellow.
and only 106?!
I've lost $ at 110 but it was a 87% machine.
What return % are you assuming with your entry point recommendations?
Quote: 100xOddslast meter should say Yellow.
You're right, thanks.
Quote:and only 106?!
What do you think it should be? I admit 106 was rather arbitrary.
Quote:What return % are you assuming with your entry point recommendations?
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90%.
Two suggestions:
14. If any line pay win goes through at least one wild, then the win will be multiplied by the total wilds that compose that win.
23. The more wilds that are in the purple, green, or yellow bank, the greater the chance that bonus will be won. If the bank reaches or exceeds the maximum value, that probability will be 100% the bonus round will begin immediately.
On 23, if you have 74 purples and then collect 4 more, you'll actually have 78 wilds, which is more than the "maximum" value. Also, once the "must hit by" value is reached or exceeded, the bonus round begins without the player having to pay for another spin.
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
Quote: DogHandHope this helps!
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Thank you. I just made those edits.
Regal Riches in a foreign country.
Doesn't seem like a must-hit.
skimmed through the rules and no idea about the '10 free games'?
Did not try it since i had no foreign currency on me and nothing else seemed playable there.
Blue: 8
Purple: 65*
Green: 85*
Yellow: 115*
*I will take them a little lower if I encounter a situation where lets say you have purple at 60 and green at 75 or something alike.
Will report back when it hits. I agree with sulfur it may be advantageous to jump on if green and purple are quite high just for a small but healthy jackpot.
Edit... OK lost about $200 trying to hit it. Hit minor about 10 or 12 times, hit major 2 times(first for 300, second for 150ish). 3 dollar denom. Mega fiiiiinally fucking hits for a modest $628 win. I end up talking to three separate local AP teams during my run. Apparently it's very well known and I shouldn't have jumped on it till 120 or so. One guy says he'll poke around if green/purple are in decent shape but that's it. Interesting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
Quote: ChallengedMillyJust hit the purple minor with 300 in, got about 400 back. Took it from 70 to 75. Currently sinking every gambling dollar into it because yellow is at 113, on $3 denom. Praying it hits the mega soon for a healthy "paid for trip and then some" jackpot.
Will report back when it hits. I agree with sulfur it may be advantageous to jump on if green and purple are quite high just for a small but healthy jackpot.
Edit... OK lost about $200 trying to hit it. Hit minor about 10 or 12 times, hit major 2 times(first for 300, second for 150ish). 3 dollar denom. Mega fiiiiinally fucking hits for a modest $628 win. I end up talking to three separate local AP teams during my run. Apparently it's very well known and I shouldn't have jumped on it till 120 or so. One guy says he'll poke around if green/purple are in decent shape but that's it. Interesting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
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From my experience with this game this is how much each bonus pays when full or almost full;
Purple: around 80x your bet
Green: around 100x your bet
Yellow: around 200x your bet
Quote: ChallengedMillyInteresting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
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I think it's pretty reasonable that people won't just tell you all the secrets.
At the same time, it's really not THAT hard to spot an AP and casually tail them for a short while, while they show you all their stops :)
I guess I'm just morally different than other folks. I think this knowledge should be shared with others. It's us against the casinos not us against each other.Quote: MukkeQuote: ChallengedMillyInteresting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
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I think it's pretty reasonable that people won't just tell you all the secrets.
At the same time, it's really not THAT hard to spot an AP and casually tail them for a short while, while they show you all their stops :)
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I guess I'm just morally different than other folks. I think this knowledge should be shared with others. It's us against the casinos not us against each other.Quote: MukkeQuote: ChallengedMillyInteresting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
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I think it's pretty reasonable that people won't just tell you all the secrets.
At the same time, it's really not THAT hard to spot an AP and casually tail them for a short while, while they show you all their stops :)
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Quote: ChallengedMillyI guess I'm just morally different than other folks. I think this knowledge should be shared with others. It's us against the casinos not us against each other.Quote: MukkeQuote: ChallengedMillyInteresting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
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I think it's pretty reasonable that people won't just tell you all the secrets.
At the same time, it's really not THAT hard to spot an AP and casually tail them for a short while, while they show you all their stops :)
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There are other issues.
First, too many hands in the till and the casino will catch on and shut things down. Why risk that by educating people?
Second, newbies will invariably do something wrong that blows the opportunity. Without the experience of years in what not to do, it's easy to do stupid things that alert the casino what is going on.
Third, if I spent a long time learning my craft at cost why should I help you get the same rewards for free.
Quote: ChallengedMillyI guess I'm just morally different than other folks. I think this knowledge should be shared with others. It's us against the casinos not us against each other.
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When you count in blackjack, it's you against the casino.
When you're APing slots, it's literally you against the other players. The machine is going to pay whatever it is going to pay. The only question is if it will pay you or another patron.
Quote: MukkeQuote: ChallengedMillyI guess I'm just morally different than other folks. I think this knowledge should be shared with others. It's us against the casinos not us against each other.
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When you count in blackjack, it's you against the casino.
When you're APing slots, it's literally you against the other players. The machine is going to pay whatever it is going to pay. The only question is if it will pay you or another patron.
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Very good post!!
This is a bad analogy since the top poker players all know the various strategies to use and when/why to use them. If one of them did find some secret new strategy, it'd be a dick move to try keeping it a secret. Much like when the massive million+ hand analysis dump happened a few years ago that gave us the modern Era of holdem poker.Quote: McSweeneyGuy above me already beat me to it. But I don't have a moral problem with advantage slot playing depriving other slot players of money since I consider it like being a highly skilled poker player who is better than the other players and is subsequently depriving them of money.
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Ultimately I only get out this way about 2 times a year, and I have a different philosophy on these things.
$1.50/spinHit purple 3 times (75,40,40) but no green.
Put in $1000.
Lost $250 :(
Bad variance and/or 85% machine.
Even when I got 10+ blues, most of the time i never got 10x or better return
Quote: ChallengedMillyI guess I'm just morally different than other folks. I think this knowledge should be shared with others. It's us against the casinos not us against each other.Quote: MukkeQuote: ChallengedMillyInteresting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
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I think it's pretty reasonable that people won't just tell you all the secrets.
At the same time, it's really not THAT hard to spot an AP and casually tail them for a short while, while they show you all their stops :)
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Not really…. While waiting for my friend to play PaiGow I’ll go check out the Ultimate X machines. If I find at least one valuable multiplier on the first machine I’m pretty sure I’ll be finding them on the entire bank of machines. It’s just a matter if ‘someone like me’ has been by recently. The fewer ‘someone like me’ people are there the more likely there will be opportunities for me.
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Hit purple 3 times (75,40,40) but no green.
Put in $1000.
Lost $250 :(
Bad variance and/or 85% machine.
Even when I got 10+ blues, most of the time i never got 10x or better return
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100xOdds,
First of all, I cannot see the number on the Green meter in either photo, but I can see the Green is afire* in the lower (presumably earlier) photo, but not in the upper (later) photo. This means the Green was hit between the two photos, so how did you miss it? I am inferring the order of the two photos based on the Yellow meter.
Dog Hand
*Wiz, this will probably be the Wordle sometime soon ;-)
huh?Quote: DogHandQuote: 100xOdds
Hit purple 3 times (75,40,40) but no green.
Put in $1000.
Lost $250 :(
Bad variance and/or 85% machine.
Even when I got 10+ blues, most of the time i never got 10x or better return
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100xOdds,
First of all, I cannot see the number on the Green meter in either photo, but I can see the Green is afire* in the lower (presumably earlier) photo, but not in the upper (later) photo. This means the Green was hit between the two photos, so how did you miss it? I am inferring the order of the two photos based on the Yellow meter.
Dog Hand
*Wiz, this will probably be the Wordle sometime soon ;-)
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the bottom is the AFTER photo.
sorry about not showing the Green values,
was trying to capture the denom and bet level.
was too close to capture everything and didnt want to draw attention by stepping out of my chair to take pic.
i left after the Yellow,
sometime later, i see a ploppy play it.
a couple of laps later, she hits Green early for relatively alot and then Purple at 76 for above avg.
Yup, my $ lost turned into positive variance for her
18 wilds and no multiplier!what a waste. :(
i've won more $ with less blue's
Quote: darkozQuote: ChallengedMillyI guess I'm just morally different than other folks. I think this knowledge should be shared with others. It's us against the casinos not us against each other.Quote: MukkeQuote: ChallengedMillyInteresting he mentioned about 7 AP games here at Cherokee, but wouldn't divulge which ones he does laps on.
Also one guy was an ass, and told me "I don't kiss and tell" when I asked what other games he did laps on. I understand making a living but it felt like a dick move.
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I think it's pretty reasonable that people won't just tell you all the secrets.
At the same time, it's really not THAT hard to spot an AP and casually tail them for a short while, while they show you all their stops :)
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There are other issues.
First, too many hands in the till and the casino will catch on and shut things down. Why risk that by educating people?
Second, newbies will invariably do something wrong that blows the opportunity. Without the experience of years in what not to do, it's easy to do stupid things that alert the casino what is going on.
Third, if I spent a long time learning my craft at cost why should I help you get the same rewards for free.
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Never thought I'd see the day you, of all people, would write something like this. Kudos.
Quote: MentalI have never seen a discussion of this game that alludes to the important features of this game vis a vis the break-even entry points. All I am going to say is that I play it at much lower values for Y/G/P than anything I have seen in print. I see many blue-gem vultures passing up +EV plays.
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So what are those features and what are your numbers?
How can you build a mathematical model without including the early trigger rate or the payoff function for a given number of gems?Quote: knuckleheadQuote: MentalI have never seen a discussion of this game that alludes to the important features of this game vis a vis the break-even entry points. All I am going to say is that I play it at much lower values for Y/G/P than anything I have seen in print. I see many blue-gem vultures passing up +EV plays.
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So what are those features and what are your numbers?
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