"Inside a Slot Machines Program: How its done and how its changed"
thx for confirmation that Class III slots cant be changed remotely by a slot supervisor in front of his computer.Quote: heatmapcaution shaky camera entire video
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it takes opening each slot individually and inserting a gaming chip to change payback %.
and wow.. 98% payback?!
which casinos have that?
Quote: 100xOddsthx for confirmation that Class III slots cant be changed remotely by a slot supervisor in front of his computer.
it takes opening each slot individually and inserting a gaming chip to change payback %.
and wow.. 98% payback?!
which casinos have that?
Some games can be changed remotely but it is a small percentage. They are called server based games.
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and wow.. 98% payback?!
which casinos have that?
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A former colleague told me that some casinos used to offer a handful of 99% machines (usually under a big sign that said 99% payback), likely as a marketing gimmick.
I fully expect that the 8 machines under the sign were set to 99%.
I fully expect that the rest of casino floor had placements of similar machines and themes with a markedly lower return.
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and wow.. 98% payback?!
which casinos have that?
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A former colleague told me that some casinos used to offer a handful of 99% machines (usually under a big sign that said 99% payback), likely as a marketing gimmick.
I fully expect that the 8 machines under the sign were set to 99%.
I fully expect that the rest of casino floor had placements of similar machines and themes with a markedly lower return.
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The sign would say "Up tp 99% return". Meaning at least one of the machines was set to that but the others were not.
up to99% Return!
I maintain that "upto" is a four letter word.
Correct me if I am wrong, but even without a central server machines nowadays have various payback settings available that they can manually changie without messing with the chip?
Skip to 21:22 to see an example of him making these claims
It's very odd because in his videos, he simultaneously makes the claim that a slot machine uses a Random Number Generator and each spin is totally random, and yet it pays out more than usual on certain occasions to balance itself out. These two claims are irreconcilable.
I also am a person who thinks they are an over time kind of thing that balances itself out and do not understand what a balancing means
I also posted this video to get a discussion about what he’s saying going. He is leaving out a crap ton of info.
When people think rigging is happening I believe they think it’s something like a class 2 lottery system.
The most recent post about video poker in Washington the op has no clue they are playing a lottery machine.
is it all slots in Washington state = class II or just vp?Quote: heatmapThe most recent post about video poker in Washington the op has no clue they are playing a lottery machine.
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(years ago, i played a little at a casino near Seattle airport.
A very quick review suggests to me that most of the machines are Class II tribal lottery terminals.
Quote: 100xOddsis it all slots in Washington state = class II or just vp?Quote: heatmapThe most recent post about video poker in Washington the op has no clue they are playing a lottery machine.
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(years ago, i played a little at a casino near Seattle airport.
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off of my crappy memory yes its all class 2 - but i could be wrong based tribal compacts are unique
but what i was really referring to was the confusion - usually the casinos (i dont know why but i think in washinton they do this) have a sign that tells the patrons if they are not playing real slot machines
Quote: 100xOddsis it all slots in Washington state = class II or just vp?Quote: heatmapThe most recent post about video poker in Washington the op has no clue they are playing a lottery machine.
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(years ago, i played a little at a casino near Seattle airport.
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All Class II machines.
Quote: heatmapI mean i guess i want to know more about the aftermarket processes of these machines in this case
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"aftermarket processes"?
I'm curious what that might mean.
I know that there are some specialty modules available that let you load the meter without cash and without a full TITO network in place, but that's about it.
You play an electronic table game like that you'll find yourself limited with win streaks that won't last long. Might do better at a real table where the microchips aren't gaming the system.
PS: I need some myth-busting, but I can't tell what disinformation is anymore.
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When the IGT slot attendant takes way too long to show up to pay you.
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1) PART 2! Slot Machine and Casino Myths CRACKED from a tech 🎰 Do slots pay better on weekends? 😱 - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey-HrJRynEs
When the IGT slot attendant takes way too long to show up to pay you.
Wheel of... Misfortune?? 🤔 An inside look at WOF - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxvwe_UuWdQ
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Most sites on the internet will only give you myths. If you have specific questions feel free to ask as I have programmed hundreds of slot machines.
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1) PART 2! Slot Machine and Casino Myths CRACKED from a tech 🎰 Do slots pay better on weekends? 😱 - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey-HrJRynEs
When the IGT slot attendant takes way too long to show up to pay you.
Wheel of... Misfortune?? 🤔 An inside look at WOF - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxvwe_UuWdQ
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Most sites on the internet will only give you myths. If you have specific questions feel free to ask as I have programmed hundreds of slot machines.
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Which ones can I win on?
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Which ones can I win on?
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Always choose the one next to the one that you wanted to play.
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Which ones can I win on?
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Always choose the one next to the one that you wanted to play.
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Outstanding. Well worth the price of membership.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not sure why they are using old style machines to make assumptions of what's going on in this day and age. It should be titled this is how older machines work.
Correct me if I am wrong, but even without a central server machines nowadays have various payback settings available that they can manually changie without messing with the chip?
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I finally watched this video and yes, the example he used for his slot info was an IGT S2000 machine, which are about 20 years old and are popular among slot collectors.
Everything he says about his machine is correct, especially needing a #17 key chip to set payback percentages — this key is also used for Game Kings like mine from that era. He set his machine to 98% payback, which is what I would do with my machine.
He should have mentioned that modern, server-based games are adjustable remotely without using a key chip.
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I wasn't going to bother to look into this, but I had lunch with somebody today who mentioned the Cowboy Slots channel, so I watched bits of this video.
While there are some true statements, it is mostly nonsense. He mainly preaches the incorrect myth that slots go through loose and tight cycles, in an effort to achieve a desired return percentage. For example, if a machine has paid too little in the past, it will go through a loose period to get back in balance.
Nonsense.
He mentions many times he was a slot technician and I don't deny that. However, that doesn't mean he knows anything about how the games work on a mathematical level. On the whole, his advice is almost worthless.
To be honest, it depresses me that videos like this get so many views and those by legitimate gambling writers get so few. Same could be said for gambling books.
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He mentions many times he was a slot technician and I don't deny that. However, that doesn't mean he knows anything about how the games work on a mathematical level. On the whole, his advice is almost worthless.
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A slot tech *should* know that (in video slots, at least) a machine has a reel test option for each payback percentage in which you can see how the symbols on each reel are laid out. The selection of each symbol is completely random. There's no balancing.
Edit: S2000 slots also have a reel strip test in which you can cycle through the virtual stops in numeric order.
Quote: smoothgrhHe should have mentioned that modern, server-based games are adjustable remotely without using a key chip.
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Assuming non-Class II:
Is the RNG that determines the game result in the server, or the machine on the floor?
(... and please feel invited to share any other answers to what you think my next six questions will be :) )
Quote: ChumpChangeIf you're the only player in a Class II casino, are the bingo card slots linked to a state server, or are you just playing against yourself? Seems bingo card slots have players playing against each other via the server.
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they can be linked to anywhere in the world and can be apparently playing those people if there are no people in the casino you are at... from what i think i understand about it
You'll get an extra $250 top prize for betting the max and it lowers the house edge slightly.
Quote: ChumpChangeIf you're the only player in a Class II casino, are the bingo card slots linked to a state server, or are you just playing against yourself? Seems bingo card slots have players playing against each other via the server.
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Been there, done that.
In the case that quorum for a game is not met, bets are generally refunded to the credit meter and an error message is displayed.
If quorum is met, but no player gets a winning card, consolation prizes are usually awarded.
This is grossly simplified, doesn't describe long-ball games, and you should read and understand all the rules pages for any bingo slot you're playing.
But does this truth also apply to a state like WA, where non-bingo machines are determined through the TLS (Tribal Lottery System) which is essentially scratch tickets from a predefined (very large) pool.
Ie. is does max bet on a machine that has a different pay table for max bet compared to non-max bet actually mean/guarantee higher RTP, or is the relatively lower pay on the top prize offset by a difference in probabilities for the other pays?
Quote: MukkeI understand how this makes sense in a true class 3 game in Vegas, where the real hits are random.
But does this truth also apply to a state like WA, where non-bingo machines are determined through the TLS (Tribal Lottery System) which is essentially scratch tickets from a predefined (very large) pool.
Ie. is does max bet on a machine that has a different pay table for max bet compared to non-max bet actually mean/guarantee higher RTP, or is the relatively lower pay on the top prize offset by a difference in probabilities for the other pays?
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in my mind the back end is functioning exactly like this machine
i assure you there are slot machines based on pull tabs and its very odd how not a single person mentions it tbh
Basically they represent a giant bag of pull tabs.
The rep told us our 4 machines pulled from a virtual bag of one million tickets. There were two top prizes of $1199.
When you put your money in the machine you had to play completely thru it before you could cash out. Example - if you put $20 in then you had to play $20 worth of pulls before you could cash out.
Pay back on the machines was consistent with pull tabs at approximately 80%
In April the new machines will come out. These will be bingo based machines. I don’t have much info on these yet other than you can put your money in and cash out whenever you want versus having to play thru your buy in once before cashing out.
Quote: linksjunkieThe state has now changed regulations on how these machines have to work.
In April the new machines will come out. These will be bingo based machines. I don’t have much info on these yet other than you can put your money in and cash out whenever you want versus having to play thru your buy in once before cashing out.
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ohio - wowowow neato legal definition of cheating
https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3772.01
Quote:(I) "Cheat" means to alter the result of a casino game, the element of chance, the operation of a machine used in a casino game, or the method of selection of criteria that determines (a) the result of the casino game, (b) the amount or frequency of payment in a casino game, (c) the value of a wagering instrument, or (d) the value of a wagering credit. "Cheat" does not include an individual who, without the assistance of another individual or without the use of a physical aid or device of any kind, uses the individual's own ability to keep track of the value of cards played and uses predictions formed as a result of the tracking information in the individual's playing and betting strategy.
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is this the raffle machines you are talking about ?
Like If the user selects 1Cent 88 cents bet
if a win is generated then win multiplied by 88 cents
Like If the user selects 5Cent $4.40 bet
if a win is generated then win multiplied by $4.40
Or does it have different algorithms for each denomination ie that is in order to take some cut and give back the player some amount?
Quote: ParasharaI was wondering in the slot machine multi denomination games the reel / random number generated is the same but the pay changes with the denomination ???
Like If the user selects 1Cent 88 cents bet
if a win is generated then win multiplied by 88 cents
Like If the user selects 5Cent $4.40 bet
if a win is generated then win multiplied by $4.40
Or does it have different algorithms for each denomination ie that is in order to take some cut and give back the player some amount?
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It depends on the machine. Some machines have different paybacks depending on the denom and bet size.
Quote: ParasharaI was wondering in the slot machine multi denomination games the reel / random number generated is the same but the pay changes with the denomination ???
Like If the user selects 1Cent 88 cents bet
if a win is generated then win multiplied by 88 cents
Like If the user selects 5Cent $4.40 bet
if a win is generated then win multiplied by $4.40
Or does it have different algorithms for each denomination ie that is in order to take some cut and give back the player some amount?
I am aware that "jackpot size" payout is dependent on wager size, however, are the machines, in general, aware of bet size when it comes to hitting any bonus? Suppose I play a machine that actually allows me to play one line for a penny a spin. I play 75 spins for 75 cents then I change to a 30 line spins (machine max of lines). Will I be more likely to hit a bonus sooner or will the machine revert to a pre-programed play?
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That's nowhere near exact, that's the best my memory can conjure from 22 years ago. But I'm pretty sure about the one machine paying 100.7%.Quote: Fitzgeralds in Reno, 20021 machine: 100.7%
1 machine: 100%
1 machine: 99.5%
8 machines: 98%
7 machines: 96%
Also, as I mention in the Easy Vegas article on RTP, Strat and Riviera both used to have banks of machines signed as 98%. Not "up to", but all of them 98%. Circus Circus has 97.4% machines still.
What was the max bet? There are a number of online slots that still offer 98% RTP or more. I am playing one right now at $40 per spin and getting 3% cashback plus points. Plus, I am able to check in on my stocks and post on WOV while the game theoretically earns me money.Quote: MichaelBluejayI know this is an old thread, but readers might be interested that at Fitzgeralds in Reno like 22 years ago (now defunct), they had a room of slots with like 20 machines and a big sign that read something like:
That's nowhere near exact, that's the best my memory can conjure from 22 years ago. But I'm pretty sure about the one machine paying 100.7%.Quote: Fitzgeralds in Reno, 20021 machine: 100.7%
1 machine: 100%
1 machine: 99.5%
8 machines: 98%
7 machines: 96%
Also, as I mention in the Easy Vegas article on RTP, Strat and Riviera both used to have banks of machines signed as 98%. Not "up to", but all of them 98%. Circus Circus has 97.4% machines still.
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