McSweeney
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October 24th, 2021 at 8:10:56 PM permalink
My biggest fear is going after a "must hit by" progressive jackpot and then running out of money when I'm almost at the end, leaving me no choice but to get out of my seat and leave it for the next person to come along and wonder what complete idiot left the Ming Warrior $500.00 jackpot when it's at $495.00. That fear based on a true story when I was in fact playing Ming Warrior and literally triggered the jackpot on my very last spin before I would have run out of money (I took an overall loss of $750.00 due to horrendous luck but imagine if I couldn't cut my losses by $500.00).

Anybody have a rule as to how much cash you bring with you? What's your worst horror story of getting no line hits and no bonuses and your whole bankroll just evaporated? I'm trying to get a sense of what the worst possible scenario is. Lately I've been doing this:

-Calculate how much raw coin-in it will take to trigger the jackpot
-Assume it won't trigger until the very end
-AND assume that the house will take 40% of my raw coin-in.

So an Ainsworth $500.00 minor jackpot currently sitting at $480.00, I know I will need to bring a bankroll of $2,000.00. Is this overkill? Not enough?

Edit: should add that I know for a fact the Ainsworth machines -- at least the ones in my casino -- take $250.00 to make the minor jackpot meter go up by $1.00. So a minor jackpot sitting at $480.00 of $500.00 will take $250.00 x $20.00 = $5,000.00 of raw coin-in to trigger. A scenario of horrendous luck where it doesn't trigger until the end and the house wins 40% of that raw coin-in means I need a $2,000.00 bankroll to be safe. I'm wondering if this is indeed safe because I can tell you during my Ming Warrior fiasco I was losing more than 50% before I triggered the jackpot, though the law of probability won't allow that to sustain for TOO long. I have not yet gone after a major jackpot so I don't know if it's unrealistic to expect losing more than 40% of your coin-in for the larger sample size you will inevitably have when going after a major jackpot.
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October 24th, 2021 at 8:58:43 PM permalink
better yet - can anyone explain how a must hit slot works if its completely random and the results can not be based on previous results?
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October 24th, 2021 at 11:16:02 PM permalink
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better yet - can anyone explain how a must hit slot works if its completely random and the results can not be based on previous results?
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My understanding is that an award level for a progressive is selected when the meter resets.
When gameplay increments the meter to the award level, the prize is awarded.
... but I've been known to misunderstand these things.
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darkoz
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October 25th, 2021 at 12:06:28 AM permalink
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better yet - can anyone explain how a must hit slot works if its completely random and the results can not be based on previous results?
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The must hit has a progressive meter that rises as it's played. They call it "must hit" because the progressive says it must hit by "xx" dollars.

Let's say the meter must hit by $5,000. And let's say every five dollars coin in the meter rises one penny.

The meter could go off much earlier than $5,000. It's possible it goes off at $4,032.69 let's say. In that case it resets back to its minimum position (most likely$4,000)

It also randomly resets where the progressive will hit. So the specific penny is already determined and you just have to wager making the meter rise until it passes that predetermined point.

The only thing known about that predetermined point is it must hit for $5,000 or less.

If you came across a must hit meter at $4,999.99 you literally are guaranteed to win $5000 by taking just one $5 spin.

Of course, you never find that. Other players jump on the machines much earlier.

The whole cat and mouse is against other players. You take it too early, you will probably lose a lot of money. You try taking it too late and someone else has grabbed the machine.
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Sandybestdog
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October 25th, 2021 at 1:54:55 AM permalink
So all across the earth terrorists tip their hat to Ainsworths ability to inflict horrendous torture upon people, the Ming warrior being a prime weapon. Yes someone tapped out playing that. However $495 is probably still a losing play. I played a mustang money 2 the other day at $481. I was down $2400 when it hit. That actually only ranks as my 3rd or 4th worst result.

So obviously the more cash the better. To be on the safe side you should calculate the total coin in if the progressive goes all the way to the end and multiply that by 35% house edge. That would be an estimate of your max loss, so you should have at least that much on you.

Something I thought of the other day. If youíre playing a big must hit there is a possibility that the money hopper gets full and you canít feed anymore bills into the machine. This is definitely a possibility with an Ainsworth 10k. I was playing video poker the other day and twice broke the machine cause I loaded it up with a bunch fives and twenties I was trying to get rid of. Must hits are good for that. Except with Ainsworths you donít get hundreds back cause you just lose all of your money.
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October 25th, 2021 at 9:25:04 AM permalink
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better yet - can anyone explain how a must hit slot works if its completely random and the results can not be based on previous results?
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The must hit progressive doesn't have any bearing on the slot machine reels. The reels are random but the must hit is not, it is a designated amount and when it gets to that amount the prize is awarded no matter the reel outcome.
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Kristmitchell
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October 26th, 2021 at 11:56:26 PM permalink
ain't the a-p world grand? ap vs ap!
Kristmitchell
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October 26th, 2021 at 11:56:59 PM permalink
Darkoz have u ever won off a must hit by slot??
darkoz
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October 27th, 2021 at 1:23:46 AM permalink
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Darkoz have u ever won off a must hit by slot??
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Of course!

I've won and lost. Currently they aren't my mainstay of AP.
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