How much to tip on a $1 million slot win?
Quote: MichaelBluejayLike I said, adults were mangled and killed, too.
If someone can't get a job anywhere else besides an unhealthy or dangerous environment, is it still that person's fault for taking the job?
Exactly how low does the unemployment rate have to be before you stop blaming workers for working in unhealthy or dangerous environments?
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What constitutes "unhealthy and dangerous?" You can stretch that pretty far. My dad once started to ask if I would have to "handle the chemicals" when I got a management job at a pest control company. I told him to knock off asking as you start asking this kind of thing and you start tearing any job down. All jobs have some kind of risk, it is what it is.
Jerry Seinfeld did a bit on it once, that no matter the job someone will eventually take it. Someone takes the job of scooping up the elephant dirt at the circus. Not what most say they want to be when they grow up, but if they need the job they take the job. Most employers do not want to see people get hurt so they over time make jobs safer.
I have won less than hand pay amounts on slots and went over to a table afterwards and done just that with $20-$50. The dealers actually provide me a service, the slot attendant just does what the government is making them do with little time involved and usually not much personality.
1) do slot attendants make waitress/dealer level salaries or minimum wage +?
2) are slot attendants tips pooled with dealers or just among slot attendants?
Quote: unJonI dont play slots so have never been in this situation. But I think there are some basic questions that I didnt see answered in this thread that would bear on the question:
1) do slot attendants make waitress/dealer level salaries or minimum wage +?
2) are slot attendants tips pooled with dealers or just among slot attendants?
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As far as I know, the minimum wage scale for tipped workers doesn't exist in Nevada. Bartenders, waiters, slot people, security guards- et all, all make the state minimum wage or more. NY State and most East Coast states have lower minimums for tipped positions. I don't see a similar law in Nevada.
The only difference in minimum wage in Nevada is you can pay less if you provide full benefits. Companies that provide them can pay about a dollar an hour less than if you provide no benefits.
That way they don't return to count out the winnings in cash with five twenty dollar bills being doled out at the end in a seeming attempt to guilt trip the player into tipping.
Quote: unJonI dont play slots so have never been in this situation. But I think there are some basic questions that I didnt see answered in this thread that would bear on the question:
1) do slot attendants make waitress/dealer level salaries or minimum wage +?
2) are slot attendants tips pooled with dealers or just among slot attendants?
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I peruse casino job postings from time to time.
Some have compensation listed.
My recollection is that the times I have seen pay offers for both dealers and slot attendants at the same property, the slot attendant starting pay was about 35% higher than the dealer hourly.
Slots and tables are usually different departments; it would be odd to see a toke pool cross departments. The few times I observed a toke committee do their daily gather and tally, I didn't see any slot department uniforms in the mix. (Side note: I noticed that toke committee dealers were rarely offered EO, since they had to be there anyway.)
May vary by property and local custom, of course.
I heard that the Cosmo has some sort of fast pay where it lets you bypass the hand pays since its all done electronically, linked to the machine and players card and personal info all on file.
The original post should be how much would you tip if you hit the Megabucks Slots. I think it resets at 10 million? It's linked with just about every casino in the state. But the win is from IGT, the gaming company who manufacturers the machine, not the casino. The casino may front or payout the cash, but ultimately its paid by IGT. The casino will do everything they can to keep that player from leaving the hotel! For obvious reasons.
Quote: VegasriderThe original post should be how much would you tip if you hit the Megabucks Slots. I think it resets at 10 million? It's linked with just about every casino in the state. But the win is from IGT, the gaming company who manufacturers the machine, not the casino. The casino may front or payout the cash, but ultimately its paid by IGT. The casino will do everything they can to keep that player from leaving the hotel! For obvious reasons.
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Isn't Megabucks (and certain other wide area linked progressives) paid out as an annuity?
Quote: MichaelBluejayWell, adults were mangled and killed, too.
The point is, where do we draw the line between "a dangerous work environment is exploitation" and "it's the workers' fault for choosing to work in an unsafe environment"?
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I don't know, because I would never make the first statement without the qualifier, 'Unduly,' before the word, 'Dangerous.' In my opinion, second-hand smoke (which could be avoided by simply not working there) does not create an unduly dangerous workplace.
It would be like working as the customer service associate at a target range and claiming that one is being, "Exploited," by a, "Dangerous work environment," because he or she is always surrounded by strangers with loaded firearms.
Quote: MichaelBluejayLike I said, adults were mangled and killed, too.
If someone can't get a job anywhere else besides an unhealthy or dangerous environment, is it still that person's fault for taking the job?
Exactly how low does the unemployment rate have to be before you stop blaming workers for working in unhealthy or dangerous environments?
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"Fault," is a strange word choice. Is it that person's, "Fault," that they took a job in an unhealthy environment because they lacked other options? I wouldn't say fault, but I would say choice. If there is an alternative, then choice exists. Alternatives would include:
A.) Continuing to look until you find a different place that offers you a job.
OR:
B.) Simply choosing not to work.
With that, the casino employee in question clearly accepted the job because the casino employee in question preferred to be around the smoke (as that is part of the job) compared to all other possible alternatives-including the immediate alternative of continuing to be unemployed.
So, I wouldn't say, "Fault," I would say, "Choice."
I'm not blaming anyone for doing anything. Do you work in a casino? I was simply challenging a statement that you made in a post. I've never directly had a conversation with a casino employee who has said they wish something would be done about the smoking.
Quote: SOOPOOMB, your question is complex. You want governments to regulate industry to make jobs reasonably safe. To me, being President as an example can never be made such. Have around 8% been murdered? Cops, firemen, boxers . all will be riskier than web site managers.
Its really a political discussion as to how much to regulate a workplace. Im not in the mood to be suspended today.
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Yeah, but other than for comparative purposes, the subject matter of the discussion is casino workers...I would like to think Administration would see this conversation as relevant to, you know, casinos.
If nothing else, this tangent may have gone on long enough that a separate thread be created, but that's up to Administrative staff whether or not they want to do that.
You can use your imagination to fill in the blanks.
Im pretty sure you get your first payment right after they give you the big check. And you can get that any way you want.Quote: DieterIsn't Megabucks (and certain other wide area linked progressives) paid out as an annuity?
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They make between 20k and 35k a year.Quote: unJonI dont play slots so have never been in this situation. But I think there are some basic questions that I didnt see answered in this thread that would bear on the question:
1) do slot attendants make waitress/dealer level salaries or minimum wage +?
2) are slot attendants tips pooled with dealers or just among slot attendants?
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There are many places in vegas where the attendant does practically everything. Handpays, bring drinks, food, cashouts, slot cards, machine fixing, deals with riff-raff, etc. would you tip them for a hand-pay?Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: VegasriderCan't believe so many members on this forum is so cheap when it comes to tipping. Embarrassing.
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It is a matter of who do you tip and why. A dealer makes waitress minimum and is giving a service and interaction.
A slot attendant is a cashier and is just a cashier. No tip should be expected.
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Quote: billryanIn my experience, bartenders are very generous tippers but a lot of it is very circular. A bartender may tip $30-40 but will expect the recipient to reciprocate with a visit to their place and tip similar.
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A vegas bartender makes great money. They are part of a union so their hourly wage is ridiculous and then they also receive tips, ncluding the waitresses who must tip out to them at tbe end of their shift.
One good point about slot attendants jobs. Its not just the handpay, but they also help customers get their vouchers unstuck or fix sticky buttons amongst other things.
I will say Winning a million at a casino vs Winning the lottery is different as the store who sold the Winning ticket gets a small piece so there is no need to tip. Tipping got so bad from players winning poker tournaments leaving nothing or not enough, all poker tournaments began taking a vig off the top that went towards the dealers tips. In that case, if you win, I'm fine if the player leaves a little vs a lot.
I mentioned this before. I was troubled to find out there were a few smaller bar chains in LV(one chain was the five-star tavern) where the owners/management had their bartenders( one the clock and after work) go to other bar locations where they would play and drink in order to recruit other bartenders and employees to come back to their bar after work to drink and gamble. It was a very circular racket going on at the expense of their employees as this was all on their own dime. I remember thinking, how F'ed up is that.Quote: billryanIn my experience, bartenders are very generous tippers but a lot of it is very circular. A bartender may tip $30-40 but will expect the recipient to reciprocate with a visit to their place and tip similar.
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Quote: AxelWolfI mentioned this before. I was troubled to find out there were a few smaller bar chains in LV(one chain was the five-star tavern) where the owners/management had their bartenders( one the clock and after work) go to other bar locations where they would play and drink in order to recruit other bartenders and employees to come back to their bar after work to drink and gamble. It was a very circular racket going on at the expense of their employees as this was all on their own dime. I remember thinking, how F'ed up is that.Quote: billryanIn my experience, bartenders are very generous tippers but a lot of it is very circular. A bartender may tip $30-40 but will expect the recipient to reciprocate with a visit to their place and tip similar.
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You might be looking at this the wrong way. Bartenders are usually social animals who enjoy the bar life. As we both say, it is very circular but I doubt anyone is forcing the bartenders to go out on their nights off. They may encourage it, and even sponsor them to an extent, but no one is forcing them to go out recruiting.
Quote: AxelWolfI mentioned this before. I was troubled to find out there were a few smaller bar chains in LV(one chain was the five-star tavern) where the owners/management had their bartenders( one the clock and after work) go to other bar locations where they would play and drink in order to recruit other bartenders and employees to come back to their bar after work to drink and gamble. It was a very circular racket going on at the expense of their employees as this was all on their own dime. I remember thinking, how F'ed up is that.Quote: billryanIn my experience, bartenders are very generous tippers but a lot of it is very circular. A bartender may tip $30-40 but will expect the recipient to reciprocate with a visit to their place and tip similar.
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That is very common in the Las Vegas bar scene.
One company that I worked for was opening a new casino in a relatively small town. They had me go to the three other casinos and play at all of them to get a feel for the paytables and payback percentages being offered. It was a great deal for me as all expenses were reimbursed and any net winnings were mine. Sadly, I ended up losing about $10k that night on the machines.
and how much would that be? :)Quote: rxwineI'm not going to tip more than I would pay a mid-level prostitute.
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also, whats the difference between mid-level and hi end?
tv news anchor looks vs near model perfect?
Q: What do a big spender and a leper banging a hooker have in common?
A: They both leave a tip when they're done.
Quote: MrVWhich reminds me ...
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shaking head
I'm afraid demanding a different joke would to lead to a punchline involving a pickle slicer, a $100 bill, or a hovercraft full of eels.
Quote: DieterI'm afraid demanding a different joke would to lead to a punchline involving a pickle slicer, a $100 bill, or a hovercraft full of eels.
I guess there's just no escaping the gambler's phallus, see?
Quote: MichaelBluejayThe Easy Vegas recommendation for a $10k handpay is $100, so your idea is right in line with the rec. Recs are based on polling in this thread, though as you say, the proper amount is subjective.
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I'll tip $100 on both a 10k handpay and a $20k handpay such as a royal.
On three $100k royals I tipped $300. Call me cheap.
On a $1250 handpay (typical in video poker) I'll tip the "odd bill."
Caesars paid the last $50 with two 20s and a 10, so I tipped 10.
Bellagio paid the last 10 with two 5s so I tipped 5.
I've had $1000 handbags when casinos lock their machines at those low levels. I've tipped $5.
I once overtipped. It was a $29k royal progressive. I tipped $400 and my wife said that was too much. After that I read some articles that said $100 was an appropriate tip on a $20k royal.
I like your tipping style. <<<No joke.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: MichaelBluejayThe Easy Vegas recommendation for a $10k handpay is $100, so your idea is right in line with the rec. Recs are based on polling in this thread, though as you say, the proper amount is subjective.
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I'll tip $100 on both a 10k handpay and a $20k handpay such as a royal.
On three $100k royals I tipped $300. Call me cheap.
On a $1250 handpay (typical in video poker) I'll tip the "odd bill."
Caesars paid the last $50 with two 20s and a 10, so I tipped 10.
Bellagio paid the last 10 with two 5s so I tipped 5.
I've had $1000 handbags when casinos lock their machines at those low levels. I've tipped $5.
I once overtipped. It was a $29k royal progressive. I tipped $400 and my wife said that was too much. After that I read some articles that said $100 was an appropriate tip on a $20k royal.
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What style was the handbag? (-:
Quote: ActuarialI'm a bit late to the party here, but figured I'd give my 2 cents. I was fortunate to hit a $140k jackpot on a $1 pai gow poker progressive side bet and had to decide how much to tip. As someone who spent years in the service industry as a tipped employee and tips generously on meals, I always envisioned myself tipping some generous amount like 5% of a big jackpot. When the opportunity actually arose, I tipped just over $1,000. Part of the reason was the tip made my after-tax check amount an even $100k, but that marginal tip amount really starts circling around in your brain when you start thinking of what you can buy with $4k.
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So 1%, In my opinion, that is on the cheap side. BUT a lot has to do with where you hit it? Is it a regular casino you play at? If it was, then you will be famously known for hitting a big progressive BUT leaving very little. If its a 1st visit or a place you rarely will or never visit again, you definitely can get-away with leaving little or nothing. Doesn't make it right, but you could get away with it.
This is why they always want the locals to hit the big jackpots, as the locals will will ultimately put a lot of that money back in play and if its a known player, likely that the dealers won't get stiffed. This is the reason why many of the poker rooms have gone away with the big bad beat jackpots and gone to much lower, but more frequent payouts such as high hands. Too many dealers and poker rooms were getting stiffed by out of town players taking all the money put in by the locals, and never seeing that money again.
Nada.
This "entitlement culture" is for the birds.
Most gamblers are life time losers, so any winnings help recoup losses and keep you in action.
Quote: MrVImplying a player would be "stiffing" the dealers by not leaving a tip on a jackpot is flat wrong: dealers are owed nothing by players.
Nada.
This "entitlement culture" is for the birds.
Most gamblers are life time losers, so any winnings help recoup losses and keep you in action.
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Does a diner owe a waitress a tip? A bartender? A valet?
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Does a diner owe a waitress a tip? A bartender? A valet?
"Owe?"
No, of course not: duh.
What, if I don't tip they turn me into a collection agency?
People customarily tip, but it is not "owed."
FWIW I tip waitresses, usually fifteen percent, but I don't drink or use valet.
The notion of tipping a slot attendant a certain percentage of a hand pay is absurd.
They do very little for the winner: little effort, little time spent, so why should I give them more than I'd tip a waitress for a meat loaf dinner, if that?
As they say: "Fools and their money are soon parted."
But yeah, the tipping issue is polarizing and divisive.
see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fbwwlHPtRM
According to the tip formula created recently (in this thread?) a fair tip on $140K is $745.Quote: ActuarialI was fortunate to hit a $140k jackpot on a $1 pai gow poker progressive side bet and had to decide how much to tip. As someone who spent years in the service industry as a tipped employee and tips generously on meals, I always envisioned myself tipping some generous amount like 5% of a big jackpot. When the opportunity actually arose, I tipped just over $1,000.
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Easy Vegas says $300 for $50k, $500 for $250k.Quote: DJTeddyBearAccording to the tip formula created recently (in this thread?) a fair tip on $140K is $745.Quote: ActuarialI was fortunate to hit a $140k jackpot on a $1 pai gow poker progressive side bet...I tipped just over $1,000.
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Frankly $140k is far from a mega jackpot.
But $1000 is not extreme on a $140k win.
If you believe in this tipping progression which starts with a typical 4oak payoff in $5/coin video poker then $1000 is fine:
$1250 jackpot gets $10
$12500 gets $100
$125000 gets $1000
Easy Vegas suggests $20 on $1200, and $50 on $5000, so by those standards, you weren't cheap.Quote: VegasriderWell from my standards, I was on the cheap side last night. After hitting a Royal for $2k, and netting $1520 after withholdings, I tipped $60. Took forever to get paid and I know why, the cage was overloaded with customers. But again, happy to wait.
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Quote: MrVHow much does Easy Vegas recommend that slot attendants tip players when the players lose?
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This will go back and forth forever. Never will be a meeting of the minds.
I must generally agree with Mr V on this. I am not a slot player, but the added value of any service the slot attendant provides must approach zero. I do think if it is your home casino, not tipping probably is a no no.
Quote: StarburgerI have a radical idea. Casinos should just automatically add a 20 percent tip of all jackpots to be split among all of the employees who processed the jackpot. Many restaurants add an automatic 20 percent tip to meals, casinos should follow suit. It would prevent a lot of hassles, employees are guaranteed something, players don't feel pressured to give a lot of money when the tip is automatically added. It's a win win situation. Think of how relieved you feel when tip is automatically put on your restaurant bill. The same would go for jackpots at a casino.
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Not a radical idea, as mentioned, this is already done in poker tournaments. A percentage of the prize pool is set aside for the staff, so if you happen to cash, you essentially have already tipped. Now if you want to tip in addition to what has already been juiced out, thats optional.
By the way, if you play VP or even slots enough, you often will encounter problems wirh the machines. It freezes up, runs out of tape, sticky buttons. Thats part of the duties of a slot attendant in addition to the hand pays.
And here's the big one, in VP if you accidentally draw on a pat hand or hit the wrong button, the slot attendant is the one who intitiates the playback of the history so you get paid!
Quote: StarburgerI have a radical idea. Casinos should just automatically add a 20 percent tip of all jackpots to be split among all of the employees who processed the jackpot.
Better yet, they can do what state's do with the lottery: pay the winner the face amount and then the state pays the vendor who sold it to the winner a certain percentage / amount, out of their own pocket, not out of winnings.
Sure, that'll be the day.
Why is it different at your home casino? That sounds like a situation where one is afraid of what the casino employees might think of you.Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MrVHow much does Easy Vegas recommend that slot attendants tip players when the players lose?
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This will go back and forth forever. Never will be a meeting of the minds.
I must generally agree with Mr V on this. I am not a slot player, but the added value of any service the slot attendant provides must approach zero. I do think if it is your home casino, not tipping probably is a no no.
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As an Advantage Player knowing who, how much, and when to overtip can be a very valuable tool with significant benefits and a huge ROI. There are certainly smaller -EV tipping situations, but you just do it anyways. If you are not an Advantage Player, I must agree, there's usually no reason to tip a slot attendant. Or the dealers for that matter.
Quote: MrVQuote: StarburgerI have a radical idea. Casinos should just automatically add a 20 percent tip of all jackpots to be split among all of the employees who processed the jackpot.
Better yet, they can do what state's do with the lottery: pay the winner the face amount and then the state pays the vendor who sold it to the winner a certain percentage / amount, out of their own pocket, not out of winnings.
Sure, that'll be the day.
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I think the casinos will happily do this, although players should expect that the house edge will be adjusted to better align with the state lottery's.
Or how about more casinos just having self pay jackpots up to a certain amount, oh no cant have that we have to blurt it out to everyone in the casino over the loudspeaker and create extra work for the attendant for you to tip because we dont want to pay them a reasonable wage for their work. The entire process of stopping your play for the hand pay is beneficial only to the casino, not the player in any way (promos excluded), it is not a service.
I will generally tip something in order to attempt to preserve my longevity in a specific place. However the only time Id feel like I SHOULD tip for a hand pay is if Im playing a bartop progressive at a bar with a good bartender that is busy BECAUSE of the progressive and it clears out when you hit it, the rest of that bartenders tips are now shot for the night.
Quote: mcallister3200I will generally tip something in order to attempt to preserve my longevity in a specific place.
What do you mean by this, do you actually believe that you'll be denied the right to gamble if you don't tip slot attendants if you get a hand pay?
