darkoz
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January 5th, 2021 at 6:23:03 PM permalink
A few people expressed interest in knowing more about"Million Dollar Slots" by Peter Liston.

I had previously skipped buying it because I understood the slots he plays in Australia and New Zealand are different. I thought they were "Pokies" but apparently that's just a moniker. The slots are pretty much the same.

However, I was correct that what he does isn't workable in the USA. Apparently the difference is a very generous meter movement such that he was able to win progressive Jackpots every single day.

He claims he beats BOTH Straight progressive Jackpots and must-hits (which he calls "mystery" Jackpots because although they have an upper ceiling it's a mystery when they actually go off sic!)

The book is a memoir (short at less than 170 pages) detailing how he took $500 and turned that into $250,000 IN ONE YEAR). Following that, he made $500,000 his second year and over a million a year after that.

MUST-HITS

His strategy is to determine when the meter is "above the odds" which we would call +EV. Then he attacks the machines at max bet.

As stated these have generous meter movements but in addition they are linked must-hits usually with 20 seats. His strategy is to let the meter be moved upwards with X number of players adding to the progressive while his max bet and button mashing enable him to hop skip (hopefully) right over the predetermined Jackpot amount.

STRAIGHT PROGRESSIVE

Here his strategy seems a bit suspect to me. He claims to measure the number of stops on each reel to determine the odds of getting the one single winning combo for the Jackpot.

Then he determines the number of spins multiplied by the meter movement to determine if one "cycle" has passed from the reset meter to see if the game is "due"

Another way to put it:. If a royal flush is once every 40,000 hands, he would measure (if the info was available) the last time a royal flush occurred and if it was close to 40,000 hands ago, then time to play.

As I said this strategy seems a bit suspect to me and seems akin to waiting for ten reds in a row at roulette because "black is due".

Anyway, there you have it.

Comments?
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unJon
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January 5th, 2021 at 8:09:22 PM permalink
My comment is that Iíve missed you. Feels like you havenít posted here in awhile.
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darkoz
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January 5th, 2021 at 8:23:36 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

My comment is that Iíve missed you. Feels like you havenít posted here in awhile.



Thanks, I check in every day.

Seems like there isn't much to comment on lately
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100xOdds
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January 6th, 2021 at 7:58:30 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Thanks, I check in every day.

Seems like there isn't much to comment on lately

how was AC during New Years?

did anyone take you up on your $1000 profit +EV adventure?
(i didnt go because of increased Covid and the Diamond/amphora lounges were closed.)

as for the book, is it still possible to do what he did on Must Hits over there?
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darkoz
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January 6th, 2021 at 8:36:12 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

how was AC during New Years?

did anyone take you up on your $1000 profit +EV adventure?
(i didnt go because of increased Covid and the Diamond/amphora lounges were closed.)

as for the book, is it still possible to do what he did on Must Hits over there?



No one took me up on my offer.

It was a frustrating day though. I would have owed you dinner lol. (And unlike other parties I admit when there is a losing day although my main AP is always multi-carding freeplay which is pretty much guaranteed profit unless shut down by Casino Management.)

As for Peter Liston book it was published in 2012. He was still doing it then but mentioned how things were much harder than when he started.

Lots of teams grabbing seats to beat him to the progressive.

Casinos making it harder to make a living. For example at the beginning of his memoir he was bragging that no one can be kicked out of a casino for just playing a slot unlike other AP which breached Casino rules like card counting.

He got banned by a few Casinos nonetheless (which is why I personally don't give a rat's behind if I break their rules. When dealing with an opponent who is de facto in charge of the rules and can change them at will, the rules become anything legal goes IMHO)

Casinos were placing restrictions on team play and how many seats you could occupy. It started to become a situation where the Casinos only wanted losers (even for a progressive Jackpot which technically belongs collectively to players)

This phenomenon is another reason AP's on here find MDawg claims a bit difficult to believe. Not just winning always but being welcomed with open arms day after day after day.
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blackjacklad
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January 7th, 2021 at 1:34:25 PM permalink
His method for calculating when non-MHB progressives is definitely wrong.

Just before Covid hit I was visiting a few Australian cities scouting what they had. He's right in that the 'pokies' are the exact same thing as slots.

They only have 1 full size casino in each city, though they're the same size as many of the casinos on the Vegas strip. A few IGT games any American AP would recognise, plus plenty of other variable state games with opportunities.

In Melbourne I could see the 'fingerprints' of other APs all over the relevant machines, so there must be active players over there.
ThatDonGuy
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January 7th, 2021 at 2:00:37 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I had previously skipped buying it because I understood the slots he plays in Australia and New Zealand are different. I thought they were "Pokies" but apparently that's just a moniker. The slots are pretty much the same.


A "pokie" is another term for a video slot machine, usually 3 lines x 5 columns. The name comes from the fact that, instead of fruit symbols, it has A, K, Q, J, 10, 9, although the resemblance to poker ends there; a "full house", for example, is meaningless unless the three of a kind is in the left three reels, in which case it's treated like any other three of a kind.

The last time I was in Australia, in 2011, I was in Crown Casino in Melbourne and asked about VP; I was told that I pretty much had to go to Queensland, although I had seen some at an RSL club (I think it's the Australian equivalent of the VFW) in Canberra in 1994. Talk about bad paytables; the only one that paid anything for a pair required a pair of Aces.

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