SingleCoinVP
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January 7th, 2020 at 5:48:05 AM permalink
I have been playing video poker for about 15 years. I play for entertainment. The video poker odds at my casinos have dropped to a point where I am considering playing slots. Slots comps are more generous and the newer games are appealing. Another player recently told me about "Must Pay" slots. I have been looking for these slots and have found more than I expected. This leads me to my questions.

If the games are random, how does the machine pay out when the must pay amount is reached? For example, suppose a must pay jackpot is $500 and it has not been paid. If the next player reaches $500, are they awarded the jackpot without hitting the right combination? Are the odds of hitting the jackpot better the closer you get to the "Must Pay" amount? Can you gain an edge by playing only when the must pay amount is closer? How close is close enough to change the odds?

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January 7th, 2020 at 6:17:45 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

I have been playing video poker for about 15 years. I play for entertainment. The video poker odds at my casinos have dropped to a point where I am considering playing slots. Slots comps are more generous and the newer games are appealing. Another player recently told me about "Must Pay" slots. I have been looking for these slots and have found more than I expected. This leads me to my questions.

If the games are random, how does the machine pay out when the must pay amount is reached? For example, suppose a must pay jackpot is $500 and it has not been paid. If the next player reaches $500, are they awarded the jackpot without hitting the right combination? Are the odds of hitting the jackpot better the closer you get to the "Must Pay" amount? Can you gain an edge by playing only when the must pay amount is closer? How close is close enough to change the odds?

Thank you!

That's a lot of question and there's a lot of different answers. You should decide on if you want to play these for a profit or entertainment.
If you don't know how and when to play them at the correct numbers you'll get your ass handed to you. They are very deceptive. Most people see the high numbers and think wow this is going to hit soon and then end up sticking around longer than they normally would chasing that jackpot. No doubt that's the reason they're so successful. The average seat time and I must have must be higher than most other machines.
You seem to have limits on how much you're willing to lose during a trip to the casino. From what I gathered this is going to be way over your risk tolerance.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
SingleCoinVP
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January 7th, 2020 at 6:28:44 AM permalink
I go to a casino to be entertained. I do not expect to make a long term profit. Like everyone, I like to win. Risk tolerance is a factor for me. Are you saying there is no advantage in my looking for "Must Pay" jackpots?
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January 7th, 2020 at 8:28:23 AM permalink
Some have an equal chance of hitting anywhere within the range. Others don't. Some get into +EV situations frequently. Others don't. Some places you can get on the machine while it's +EV. Others you never will.

Sorry for the vagueness, but nobody's going to give you a copy of "How to play must hits for fun and profit."
billryan
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January 7th, 2020 at 8:37:10 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Some have an equal chance of hitting anywhere within the range. Others don't. Some get into +EV situations frequently. Others don't. Some places you can get on the machine while it's +EV. Others you never will.

Sorry for the vagueness, but nobody's going to give you a copy of "How to play must hits for fun and profit."

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
SingleCoinVP
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January 7th, 2020 at 8:38:46 AM permalink
I don't expect them to. What I don't understand is how a machine can be truly random and have a must hit feature? Doesn't make sense.
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January 7th, 2020 at 8:49:27 AM permalink
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I don't expect them to. What I don't understand is how a machine can be truly random and have a must hit feature? Doesn't make sense.



The must hit is not based off of a certain combination hitting on the reels. It rises either based off of a percent of coin in (Ainsworth, for example) or a percent of each win is added to the must hit. There is a set amount pre-determined between the reset amount and the high. When the progressive goes past that amount, it pays out. Then it is reset, and the must hit amount may change.

The selection of the must hit amount maybe be equal over the entire range from reset to max, or it may be weighted heavily towards the high end (which I think most are), but it would be random according to a formula.
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January 7th, 2020 at 8:53:54 AM permalink
I don't expect anyone to give away that book. I'd pay $10 for it.
It's funny, but at last years Super Bowl get together, two individuals gave me some great information on the very subject. One person I'd never met before but he said he liked the way I posted on another website.
The year before, at the SB party, someone clarified a play I wasnt doing correctly.
There is an appropriate place to discuss plays. A public forum shouldn't be one of them.
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SingleCoinVP
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:21:22 AM permalink
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The must hit is not based off of a certain combination hitting on the reels. It rises either based off of a percent of coin in (Ainsworth, for example) or a percent of each win is added to the must hit. There is a set amount pre-determined between the reset amount and the high. When the progressive goes past that amount, it pays out. Then it is reset, and the must hit amount may change.

The selection of the must hit amount maybe be equal over the entire range from reset to max, or it may be weighted heavily towards the high end (which I think most are), but it would be random according to a formula.

Thanks for the explanation. I can see that the "Must Hit" jackpot can happen at any time. I'm not sure walking around looking for machines that are ready to hit is worthwhile. Let's say a must hit jackpot on a particular machine is set to pay at $500 and the progressive is sitting at $499.00. The odds of hitting the jackpot are better than playing a machine where the progressive is at $200. Right?
billryan
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:36:00 AM permalink
Even if the chances of hitting are equal, one machine pays two and a half times more.
Imagine a progressive where one pays $200 and one pays $499. Which do you play?
Suppose poker machines had to give a royal at least every 40,000 hands and had a meter for you to track. One meter is at 38,000 and the other had 1500. Does the meter change the chances of a royal appearing the next hand ?
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