Slot Customers Prosecuted for Playing Abandoned Slot Credits
http://kdvr.com/2017/11/15/casino-customers-prosecuted-for-playing-abandoned-slot-credits/
Assuming the casino isn't forced to bring charges against the players stealing $2 or whatever, it'd be much better in about every possible way to:
1. Don't worry about it, let it go. Only "go after" the sleezebags that are buffalo hunting / silver mining, or whatever you call it (people who walk the aisles, cashing out anything they see).
2. Next time player is in the casino, confront them and tell them they can't play off abandoned credits.
3. Put up some signs or some disclaimer saying it's illegal to play off abandoned credits, but still follow #1 and #2 above.
Quote: articleA dozen or so cases involved what appeared to be intentional criminal behavior: Cheating at roulette, wandering around slot machine to slot machine looking for credits, failing to honor a raise in poker, and failing to provide valid identification for IRS purposes after winning a $1,000 jackpot.
Wait, wut?
Signage would be a simple matter.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI abandoned a $16 Tito and security gave two chits. They pull out every ticket with not a care, not really sure what they do about hunting down the rightful owners. Supposedly it all goes to charity, but I'm not sure I believe it.
I think it depends on the staff roster as some staff are diligently doing the job to the casino specs others are a bit more relaxed. I have on an odd occasion left money in a machine gone back and it is gone, at the cage I mentioned to the cashier that it should have been more to enter into my cage account than what I was depositing, she ask why I told her about left ticket etc ie it’s long gone, she got a suit to come with me to machine no one there no money etc Next day at cage withdrawal of day bank I was asked to wait, after some time a suit gave me paperwork for $120 odd claim . They tracked down the other person and got the cash from them. On another occasion I had dropped a ticket somewhere, afterwards I realised went to a host and told them and was told in reply too bad the casino is not responsible etc. that person didn’t know casinos rules etc. no I didn’t get cash back on that one.
So yes it is a rule re casino owners of all money on property, if staff find chips etc they are not allowed to pick up as a finder keeps they must direct security to the place it ( chip) is located. Now if I find a amount in machine I pop the ticket and give to host at main counter take their name and number just in case I have to clarify myself in the future.
If I find cash or chips on floor at table or in cash dispenser I keep ,and have not been approached in that regard ever.
We have plastic money , static electricity sticks the notes to top of inside of cash change dispenser , so people cash a $2000 ticket don’t count the Bill’s dispensed, walk away leaving a couple of hundred still in machines, you happen to be next and nice bonus, I might add if the person was just in front of me I alert them to the oversight and give them the cash , they are thankful but don’t tip ha ha , if no one was before me and I don’t take the cash to host desk , I keep it.
I have been at a baccarat table when security have taken some one off table and ask for a few hundred dollars that person had received from the day before as an over payment from a dealer mistake the day before , they explained that it’s a mistake yes but it’s up to us to be honest etc and correct dealer on the day and give it back then. So now this lady had to pay up or be fined for theft etc.
She paid and was allowed to play on.
I view it as bank error, keep it , as lucky I have not been asked to pay back , I might mention I was also over paid at the same table as the above mentioned lady and I was half expecting to be asked to return some cash as well. They didn’t ask me , I didn’t volunteer, ha ha
We have free phone charger machine here ,6 units per machine type in a password put phone in to recharge close door, collect phone half hr later put in password door open collect phone. So what you say
A few months later a security and police tap on your shoulder, you are accused of stealing a phone, you have to prove you did not , this has not happened to me personally but I have been present when acquaintances have been questioned, a couple I’m sure would not steal but the other one maybe.
I do not drink as I have to drive to and from the casino, I do not drink as I gamble, completely hard wired rule once upon arrival I bought a juice and was walking between blackjack tables back counting ( in the old days pre automatic shuffle machine) saw a count in my favour finished rest of juice put glass down and put cash on table for chips ready to play etc. tap tap on shoulder I was taken from table as I had been deemed to be drunk according to camera footage. I took them to bar and located staff members who served me etc security said sorry etc , I missed my count, no big deal , another table later etc
The point being you are on casino property and it’s their rules, a bit like going overseas and shoplifting, difference being your not at home.
Kind regards
Quote: onenickelmiracleI abandoned a $16 Tito and security gave two chits. They pull out every ticket with not a care, not really sure what they do about hunting down the rightful owners. Supposedly it all goes to charity, but I'm not sure I believe it.
At the casino I work at, all found money not claimed goes to the local boys and girls club. Money not paid out on jackpots due to a player being banned or self excluded also goes to charity.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Money not paid out on jackpots due to a player being banned or self excluded...
ZCore13
Wow wow wow! If you booked the bet and took the losing ones....unless you're on tribal ground.
Quote: mcallister3200Wow wow wow! If you booked the bet and took the losing ones....unless you're on tribal ground.
Yes, tribal. That's the way all tribal casinos work in Arizona.
ZCore13
I think you're seriously misinformed. The casinos are not city-states, do not make their own laws, whether they call them rules or not. If the casino collects a ticket, they have a responsibility to look for the rightful owner and to attempt to return the money. If they're native American joints, yes they are free to do what they want for the most part, but state regulated places shouldn't just grab and keep.Quote: beachmonkeyI think it depends on the staff roster as some staff are diligently doing the job to the casino specs others are a bit more relaxed. I have on an odd occasion left money in a machine gone back and it is gone, at the cage I mentioned to the cashier that it should have been more to enter into my cage account than what I was depositing, she ask why I told her about left ticket etc ie it’s long gone, she got a suit to come with me to machine no one there no money etc Next day at cage withdrawal of day bank I was asked to wait, after some time a suit gave me paperwork for $120 odd claim . They tracked down the other person and got the cash from them. On another occasion I had dropped a ticket somewhere, afterwards I realised went to a host and told them and was told in reply too bad the casino is not responsible etc. that person didn’t know casinos rules etc. no I didn’t get cash back on that one.
So yes it is a rule re casino owners of all money on property, if staff find chips etc they are not allowed to pick up as a finder keeps they must direct security to the place it ( chip) is located. Now if I find a amount in machine I pop the ticket and give to host at main counter take their name and number just in case I have to clarify myself in the future.
If I find cash or chips on floor at table or in cash dispenser I keep ,and have not been approached in that regard ever.
We have plastic money , static electricity sticks the notes to top of inside of cash change dispenser , so people cash a $2000 ticket don’t count the Bill’s dispensed, walk away leaving a couple of hundred still in machines, you happen to be next and nice bonus, I might add if the person was just in front of me I alert them to the oversight and give them the cash , they are thankful but don’t tip ha ha , if no one was before me and I don’t take the cash to host desk , I keep it.
I have been at a baccarat table when security have taken some one off table and ask for a few hundred dollars that person had received from the day before as an over payment from a dealer mistake the day before , they explained that it’s a mistake yes but it’s up to us to be honest etc and correct dealer on the day and give it back then. So now this lady had to pay up or be fined for theft etc.
She paid and was allowed to play on.
I view it as bank error, keep it , as lucky I have not been asked to pay back , I might mention I was also over paid at the same table as the above mentioned lady and I was half expecting to be asked to return some cash as well. They didn’t ask me , I didn’t volunteer, ha ha
We have free phone charger machine here ,6 units per machine type in a password put phone in to recharge close door, collect phone half hr later put in password door open collect phone. So what you say
A few months later a security and police tap on your shoulder, you are accused of stealing a phone, you have to prove you did not , this has not happened to me personally but I have been present when acquaintances have been questioned, a couple I’m sure would not steal but the other one maybe.
I do not drink as I have to drive to and from the casino, I do not drink as I gamble, completely hard wired rule once upon arrival I bought a juice and was walking between blackjack tables back counting ( in the old days pre automatic shuffle machine) saw a count in my favour finished rest of juice put glass down and put cash on table for chips ready to play etc. tap tap on shoulder I was taken from table as I had been deemed to be drunk according to camera footage. I took them to bar and located staff members who served me etc security said sorry etc , I missed my count, no big deal , another table later etc
The point being you are on casino property and it’s their rules, a bit like going overseas and shoplifting, difference being your not at home.
Kind regards
Pennsylvania does a good job of brainwashing people to think there is not finders keepers, but there is, with qualification. The law they quote with their interpretation doesn't even match up, very much so contrary in meaning.
I don't think anyone can be found guilty if they attempt to look for the owner, and they return it to the rightful owner if found. When it comes to casino employees picking up money, they have the tools, should use them, and if not, it's wrong by me.
In Ohio, unclaimed funds laws were changed from $10 minimum to $50 right after the first casinos opened. It might be why the casinos seem lazy, because perhaps it frees them from the responsibility.
Quote: AxelWolfDoes it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
No. It may be a technique YOU use so as to decrease the chances of being caught. You won't look good in handcuffs, Axel....
Your claim would have to be you didn't realize there were credits there, wasn't paying attention, thought you hit something. Cannot be any other story than that, you'd have to play dumb, never admit there were credits there to begin with, say the machine was calling you, etc.Quote: AxelWolfDoes it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
Of course you would be lying, but nobody can prove it. You never know, maybe you're schizophrenic and not really lying, you realized there were credits after you played, and your brain rearranged the events.
FYI, I don't screw with abandoned credits, just the devil's advocate.
Are you sure? If so, it sounds like this could lead to many innocent people getting f***ed. I am usually aware if there are credits left behind on a machine that I'm about to play. Usually, I cash out the ticket and lay it on top of the machine, but that's only to give the person a chance to come back and claim it, and because I don't want to risk having a problem with the casino. There have been times I have put even amounts of money in a machine and made all even bets, but when I cashed out there was an odd amount on the ticket. I can only assume there were credits on the machine when I started. I can imagine this happens accidentally many times per day, its sick to think anyone would get a fine and a criminal record for this.Quote: SOOPOONo. It may be a technique YOU use so as to decrease the chances of being caught. You won't look good in handcuffs, Axel....
Quote: AxelWolfDoes it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
I think it would because it would offer a reasonable plausible deniability and it would be hard for them to prove that your intent was to play someone elses abandoned credits. It would not help if you found a printed TITO and added money to that and played it.
Quote: DRichI think it would because it would offer a reasonable plausible deniability and it would be hard for them to prove that your intent was to play someone elses abandoned credits. It would not help if you found a printed TITO and added money to that and played it.
It'd certainly help you, assuming you went the whole plausible deniability route. But either way, it would still be illegal. It's just that it would be harder to prove your intent and that it wasn't an accident. Either way, if they want to prosecute you for it, I remember an old saying, the ancient Hawaiians used to say, "Ignorance of the law"....actually I don't remember the saying, but essentially it's your responsibility to know the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
He has successfully proven in court found money cases such as listed including one settlement for $750,000 when a chicago casino forced an elderly woman to walk back to her nursing home because they caught her cashing out a nickel (no not exageration a tito for five cents) and refused to let her board the return bus because it was on their property
Bob has proven these cases are common law universally and casinos are in fact the criminals
If you make a purchase in a department store and forget to take your change does the store have the right to claim it? Or are they supposed to put to the side to await your return?
If you drop money in a department store and another patron finds it does store security have the right to claim it belongs to them and backroom you?
Casinos are no different than any other private business.
These types of cases seem to need to be relitigated in every state. Look at the Maryland Live CC case where the police man was informed by the counter CC was not illegal as proven in Nevada and NJ. Cops response? "This is Maryland and we have different laws"
Really? Stupid! Settlement out of court. Maryland casinos learning the hard way
Looks like Colorado casinos next
Only casinos allowed to break laws are Indian casinos which have basically been given license to act any way they please
You may not be Ignorant of the law, yet you might unknowingly break it. I realize there are many situations where it shouldn't matter if you are unknowingly breaking a law, but in this instance, I think it should be the casino's reasonability to make sure people can clearly see someone has left credits(Lock it out with a flashing screen saying, call attendant) and a warning should be prominently displayed on each machine.Quote: RSThe article said a bunch of people are getting f****d for this in Coladorado. Originally I thought it was going to be some hippy article about how "homeless people scrounging pennies off slot machines are people too" or something. From what I remember, some guy got like a 1 year ban from all CO casinos, plus a huge fine, and community service and/or some other stuff for playing on a machine that had $2 on it. I think it also listed the number of people getting "caught" for this sorta thing, and it was some crazy number, definitely not in-line with something like "only homeless people doing this // getting caught", but anyone who did it on accident sort of thing.
It'd certainly help you, assuming you went the whole plausible deniability route. But either way, it would still be illegal. It's just that it would be harder to prove your intent and that it wasn't an accident. Either way, if they want to prosecute you for it, I remember an old saying, the ancient Hawaiians used to say, "Ignorance of the law"....actually I don't remember the saying, but essentially it's your responsibility to know the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Here is link to final court decision
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-6th-circuit/1101830.html
Quote: Zcore13Yes, tribal. That's the way all tribal casinos work in Arizona.
ZCore13
Hey zcore your pms are turned off- can you turn that on am pm me I have a private question I can’t really post in here
Quote: onenickelmiracleYour claim would have to be you didn't realize there were credits there, wasn't paying attention, thought you hit something. Cannot be any other story than that, you'd have to play dumb, never admit there were credits there to begin with, say the machine was calling you, etc.
Of course you would be lying, but nobody can prove it. You never know, maybe you're schizophrenic and not really lying, you realized there were credits after you played, and your brain rearranged the events.
FYI, I don't screw with abandoned credits, just the devil's advocate.
Sounds like a one-way street to being marked, "Not cooperative."
Quote: RS
It'd certainly help you, assuming you went the whole plausible deniability route. But either way, it would still be illegal. It's just that it would be harder to prove your intent and that it wasn't an accident. Either way, if they want to prosecute you for it, I remember an old saying, the ancient Hawaiians used to say, "Ignorance of the law"....actually I don't remember the saying, but essentially it's your responsibility to know the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Municipal Court? Yeah, good luck with that. Trespass Citations for Criminal Trespass on being in a casino you were banned from...despite the fact that the company that banned you no longer owns the casino. If you're going to win in a case that goes to a Municipal Court, you'd better be prepared for it to be on appeal.
Quote: AxelWolfYou may not be Ignorant of the law, yet you might unknowingly break it. I realize there are many situations where it shouldn't matter if you are unknowingly breaking a law, but in this instance, I think it should be the casino's reasonability to make sure people can clearly see someone has left credits(Lock it out with a flashing screen saying, call attendant) and a warning should be prominently displayed on each machine.
The other thing that should be pointed out is the fact that it might not matter what the casino wants in Colorado. There aren't going to be any fines going to theState/Municipality if you just let the people pay the few cents or dollars and be on their happy way, now would there?
I'm not saying the casino is not to blame, but this also seems to be a pretty blatant money grab by the state, county and/or municipality.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI think you're seriously misinformed. The casinos are not city-states, do not make their own laws, whether they call them rules or not. If the casino collects a ticket, they have a responsibility to look for the rightful owner and to attempt to return the money. If they're native American joints, yes they are free to do what they want for the most part, but state regulated places shouldn't just grab and keep.
Pennsylvania does a good job of brainwashing people to think there is not finders keepers, but there is, with qualification. The law they quote with their interpretation doesn't even match up, very much so contrary in meaning.
I don't think anyone can be found guilty if they attempt to look for the owner, and they return it to the rightful owner if found. When it comes to casino employees picking up money, they have the tools, should use them, and if not, it's wrong by me.
In Ohio, unclaimed funds laws were changed from $10 minimum to $50 right after the first casinos opened. It might be why the casinos seem lazy, because perhaps it frees them from the responsibility.
In a real world you maybe correct and I respect your reply, I wholeheartedly support your above mentioned assumptions but in casino ville or casino town it doesn’t mean much at all. Yes one would assume they the casino would act in the appropriate manner regarding basic common sense things ie the theme running through this thread.
No I don’t think I’m seriously misinformed at all, the little line under every machine, and on every table tells you if the casino can think on any reason to to do whatever they want , they in fact can an Will at their own discretion.
NO it is not right, NO it is not a private city state , NO baby I will not c#m in your mouth BUT they can intervene in your game of choice, at anytime you are on the property for any reason they deem legitimate unto themselves.
Morally, ethically or legally correct has nothing to do with it. I DO Not think they should be allowed to do whatever they want but the cost of time and financial resources ( read waiting for the police to arrive, waiting for the government inspectors to go through the incident reports, standing on the main gaming floor with 4 security staff and2 suits debating the alleged offence/ crime). The cost is loss of income on that table/machine and or potential loss of income once you are banned ( and remember you are innocent) until you go to court and you are told in court that yes YOU do have have to pay a fine. Sometimes one has to question the agenda of some of the security guards as they can be way out of line sometimes. Right or wrong? It’s just about the facts mamm.
I know many people who have taken the Fight, for lack of a better word, to the casino and even if they do manage to get a hearing in court in their favour the cost is huge, they are now Morally vindicated but they have a hard time in their place of employment,ie trying to to make a living under duress when , as most of you should be aware , the margin for error is huge in a casino
Denial of awareness of machine credits don’t wash as you are still liable while you are at the casino, yes why quibble over a few cents. This is the cost of doing business most people don’t understand or at least have not thought about. Why bring a disruption to you business day, why lose time and opportunity to make a profit, why go on tilting when you know all of the above?
Perhaps as a recreational punter one could take the morale high ground and have something to tell friends and family when you get home fro your night out in the big city, perhaps one could just say this casino is wrong and vote with your feet and walk next door to another one. What happens when you are in a one casino state? as per many people not living state side?
My response is we are both correct and we are both working in two different environments, and yes I would prefer that your world is more preferable place to live, no complaints from me but I know the guidelines here and I work within that framework.
Yes I do discuss with other people above topic but that maybe at my coffee break or after I’ve finished work and put my bank back into the cage account, all a part of the cost of business.
Really it’s not worth the time, cash the Tito out give it to the host, take the name and number and go on your way. This is way better than trying to locate the legitimate owner of that Tito yourself, you can also site the the lost and found document number the host files. If they ( casino ) abide by the laws or not is not the individuals issue regarding location of ownership of Tito, one can speculate for ever and I believe no one will be 100% satisfied with the answer. I do sincerely hope said un claimed monies go to the the places of need. Yes we all love a good conspiracy story.
In a year or so sydney gets its second legal casino, I will have a look etc but maybe just stay at this one as I know the ground rules here. Many people say in support of the various issues discussed in this thread how much better the new casino is going to be here. How it will create competition , better comps , better treatment from this casino to its members. It won’t and I tell them they are dreaming as they cannot work within this known framework now let alone some mythical event in the future.
Sorry to woffel on.
Kind regards.
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/know-the-laws-part-II/
http://www.thebeargrowls.com
But do you think if you found $5 dollars on the floor of a Walmart and put it in your pocket and they saw it on their cameras that they would prosecute you?
No effing way.
Quote: lilredroosterthis guy with the handle LV Bear who posts on some different gambling forums has a blog called The Bear Growls. it focuses on unbelievably bad behavior and decisions by casino personnel. some of the stories are shocking and many are interesting. one thing is very clear. casino personnel with decision making authority consider themselves to be the absolute masters of their environment and they have no tolerance for any person who challenges them. here is the link to the blog:
http://www.thebeargrowls.com
That site hasn’t been updated in almost three years. From what I remember he stopped adding content
Quote: WizardofnothingThat site hasn’t been updated in almost three years. From what I remember he stopped adding content
I know "the Bear." I'm pretty sure it would be accurate to say he has retired.
Quote: WizardRegarding the OP, I can see both sides of this one. Casinos have a problem with vagrants wandering their casinos looking for abandoned credits and lost slot tickets. They are a genuine nuisance. I can't fault the casinos for fighting back on this one. It is possible some over-zealous security guards could take things too far but if I ran a casino I wouldn't want credit trolls roaming my property.
I concur with that in my article, but trespass is a mechanism that already exists to take care of them. If you check that Fox investigation, the example guy they used was obviously not a vagrant or otherwise full time Buffalo Hunter.
I was shocked
They asked for my ID and asked where I was staying
I told them I'm a guest and gave them my MGM room number and handed over my Florida drivers lisc
She asked if I was at NYNY earlier
I said yes (I did take the elevated walkway)
She said somebody is stealing tickets
I told her I am an honest person
She gets on her phone
She lets me go saying I must have a twin
weird
Quote: WizardCasinos have a problem with vagrants wandering their casinos looking for abandoned credits and lost slot tickets. They are a genuine nuisance.
That is true but that is no different than virtually every open to the public business in a highly populated area. McDonalds for example gets a lot of criticism but they at least in my area and many others allow the homeless to sit there for a very long time in the winter very slowly drinking one cup of coffee. All of the stores except maybe those that serve the wealthy have similar concerns. Casinos don't deserve any special consideration if they handle the issue poorly.
Quote: lilredroosterThat is true but that is no different than virtually every open to the public business in a highly populated area. McDonalds for example gets a lot of criticism but they at least in my area and many others allow the homeless to sit there for a very long time in the winter very slowly drinking one cup of coffee. All of the stores except maybe those that serve the wealthy have similar concerns. Casinos don't deserve any special consideration if they handle the issue poorly.
I agree and disagree.
The one right all the businesses have is they can trespass a person for any reason they wish or for no reason at all. Whether or not a particular business type invokes that right any more or less frequently than some other business type doesn't change that they all have the right.
I think the other real difference is that the person isn't going into McDonald's and stealing something (again, I don't say, "Stealing," for probably intentionally abandoned credits, I'm saying how the casinos look at it) or going into a WalMart and stealing something. I think a person could go into a casino with $2, find one of the few machines left upon which a person can literally bet a penny, take a spin every five minutes, and the casino wouldn't say much at all to that person. If they did, it would take a long time. So, that's kind of the difference, being an actual customer or someone who takes money away from the place.
Quote: Mission146I concur with that in my article, but trespass is a mechanism that already exists to take care of them. If you check that Fox investigation, the example guy they used was obviously not a vagrant or otherwise full time Buffalo Hunter.
If this were the case (let's say they were only prosecuting buffalo hunters), I can only assume they'd already been told by the casino to stop doing it. Yet, they're likely just going to keep doing it anyway, even when they'd already been told to stop doing it. In the same way, being trespassed isn't really going to stop someone from buffalo hunting (if they'd been warned before), and is just delaying the inevitable -- prosecuting the buffalo hunter.
To the second, you have Defiant/Criminal Trespass laws, do all that has to happen is the Buffalo Hunter go in there one more time after being formally trespassed, and you throw the book at him. I just don’t think it’s worth getting innocent people caught in the crosshairs when it’s a matter of either a state money grab or enforcement officers too stupid to exercise any form of discretion.
But, yes, IF they were only going after straight up Buffalo Hunters, I’d be inclined to agree.
I hate to say it, but this look like entrapment to me... ya gotta wonder about stuff like this... the government makes a TON of money on people who commit stupid little crimes like this. You gotta wonder if they're encouraging these casinos and Walmarts to snare unwitting chumps into the legal system, where they will be paying for their mistakes for the rest of their lives.
Quote: discflickerWalking around in the Railroad Pass casino, I found a Wheel Of Fortune machine with the SPIN light flashing! It was a $1 machine and it also had like $10 in credits. I sat down and added $20 of my own and very slowly took my time pressing the spin button, which paid me $150 and I wound up cashing > $200 from it. I just thought it was OK at the time, and nobody ever said anything about it. This was back in the 90s. I won't ever try that again, though.
I don't know what the specific laws in Nevada are, that may have been perfectly fine. I'm sure you would have had to fork over the winnings had someone went to security and claimed same were taken. In fact, don't know how long it had been, but I imagine it is quite possible the person left to go get someone that the person was with to watch the spin with them.
Quote:I hate to say it, but this look like entrapment to me... ya gotta wonder about stuff like this... the government makes a TON of money on people who commit stupid little crimes like this. You gotta wonder if they're encouraging these casinos and Walmarts to snare unwitting chumps into the legal system, where they will be paying for their mistakes for the rest of their lives.
I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is that entrapment is a pretty legally specific thing. My understanding, which may be flawed, is that if either the casino or the police were knowingly setting up the conditions that enable the crime to be committed, or in any way encourage the crime to be committed, then you could have entrapment. For instance, if casino employees (or police) were deliberately leaving credits in the machines or cash/chips on the floor themselves, and then pounce on the person who takes them, you might have a legally valid argument for entrapment...Probably more true for the abandoned credits than physical chips/cash.
In other words so many people are prone to doing it under the idea its too minor to be of concern
Interestgly i never do it. I even once took a single dollar bill found on the floor to security. As an AP I cannot risk being under scrutiny over something so singular of a play
Quote: billryanI'm guessing you haven't been to Fifth Avenue in a long time. Metal anti-pedestrian stands ring every block, only allowing you to cross at the corners for most of mid-town.
Thats jay walking as well but i was referring to people only crossing on the green light and not walking right thru traffic
Honestly though who would want to be in a Casino where the people in charge were sharp as APs? That sounds like a nightmare for anyone looking for an edge!? Of course these kind of people rat on themselves when they have huge edges on plays for some reason. I still get boggled by that. Hey, Manager... look how I am raping you over these last few months. Oh your gonna fix that oh ok onto the next thing.
Quote: prozemaI had a guy accuse me of credit trolling the other night. Pretty sure he was trying to pull a fast one. I was looking through a machine with no credits in and a guy walks up and accuses me of playing his machine. I told him I was not playing the machine and pointed out there was no credits in the machine. He then claimed he just left that machine and there was $10,000 on it. I suggested we call security and I hit the button on the machine for service. At that point he left and said it didn't matter anyway.... Kinda weird... What did he think I was going to do? Pull $10k out of my pocket and hand it to him? Geez...
He wanted you to give him $100 to shut up and go away.
One time I was playing VP for a long-a** time and was pretty tired and stuff sorta. So I decided to take a quick break and smoke a cigarette. So I didn't feel like playing for a few minutes so I just stood up behind my machine and started to smoke a cigarette. No one was around anywhere, from what I remember. Just me and an AP friend. Then out of nowhere this random dude shows up and tries to sit down on my machine. I was like yo dawg, I'm playing that machine. He sits down and I'm like yoo I'm playing that machine it's mine. He tries to cash out and I put my hand in front of the ticket-spitter-outter-dealy-bopper or grabbed his arm so he couldn't hit the cash out button. Then he got up n left and got all mad at me and called me an a**hole. Like bro are you serious, I'm not just gonna let you sit down on my machine with a couple hundred bucks in it so you can cash it out and leave. Next time I'll #BreakHisNeck. (If you're mad or offended at that, then that was sarcasm or a joke.)
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One time I was playing VP for a long-a** time and was pretty tired and stuff sorta. So I decided to take a quick break and smoke a cigarette. So I didn't feel like playing for a few minutes so I just stood up behind my machine and started to smoke a cigarette. No one was around anywhere, from what I remember. Just me and an AP friend. Then out of nowhere this random dude shows up and tries to sit down on my machine. I was like yo dawg, I'm playing that machine. He sits down and I'm like yoo I'm playing that machine it's mine. He tries to cash out and I put my hand in front of the ticket-spitter-outter-dealy-bopper or grabbed his arm so he couldn't hit the cash out button. Then he got up n left and got all mad at me and called me an a**hole. Like bro are you serious, I'm not just gonna let you sit down on my machine with a couple hundred bucks in it so you can cash it out and leave. Next time I'll #BreakHisNeck. (If you're mad or offended at that, then that was sarcasm or a joke.)
#IDontBlameYou
That makes me think of drawing a line for adequately reserving a machine.
I've see casino personal actually shut one down for someone before. I assume this is a top level card holder. Clearly that works.
I think the backwards or tipped up chair tactic is good for about 15 minutes with an exception for the lady who turns 3 chairs around backwards because she needs 3 non adjacent machines for some reason. I hate that lady.
Leaving a card in the machine is not a reservation nor is leaving pocket change in the machine.
I would really like to know what the person who walks away from a machine (like where the machine is out of sight) is thinking if they are leaving credits on that machine. If those credits were not there upon their return, they have no one to blame but themselves. Do they leave their wallet on the table at a restaurant when they use the bathroom so someone knows they are coming back?
Personally, I hesitate and look around before standing up and going 5 feet to get an ashtray from the machine behind me. With poker tables being the exception, I don't even leave chips on tables under dealer supervision if I need to take a break. There are just too many shady characters that hang out in casinos... Too many fast hands.
