krava
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January 7th, 2017 at 10:07:11 PM permalink
I have told myself that I wanted to keep going to the casino until I win something decent. You see other people in there winning and you think to yourself, my turn has to come sometime. I went to the casino tonight and played a machine that I "shouldn't have" and hit 777 3x 777 on max credits on the $1 machine. 3rd spin on first $20 put in.

Does anyone have an estimate of what you think the odds in that happening are? 1 in 10,000 spins? Hopefully I can stop going for awhile. I have some experience now in how hard it is to get anything out of the damn machines. I am thinking that in about 500 spins, I might get something that is 100X my bet. (it could be higher).

http://picpaste.com/pics/20170107_192351-0PvI6mGd.1483854262.jpg is the picture I took. People were hitting all kinds of things. One person hit 12x 12x double Bar on $1 machine. Another person hit 3x 3x Blue 7 with stars on 3 credit $1 machine. $5 machines where hitting etc.

I went in there put $20 into a triple red hot 7's 98% payout machine lost, another $20 lost, another $20 hit blue 7's for $50 and walked out $12 ahead on that machine. Went to the 98% machine next to it 3x 4x 5x. Somehow hit 2 pairs of missmatching bars and got out of it with $26 after putting $20 in. (I am scared to play these damn things). Went to a Double Strike $1 machine and ended up putting $70-$90 into it and losing. (best hit was 8 credits). Then I said to myself, let me go over here to this side which I have never played and play this triple red hot 7 machine even though it doesn't have the Up to 98% payback on it. I put $20 into it and on the 3rd hit I hit the 3x triple 7's and knew I hit $900. I was like there it is. I let that damn thing run and run making the noise as it adds credits. It took a good few minutes as it counted slow. I took my card out of the machine and threw it on the ground saying I was done. I did pick this one up though.

If anyone has any experience with these damn machines you will have an idea how hard it is to win on. I only play the 3 wheel slots. My last decent win was 2-3 months ago and that was on the 4x 5x 6x machine with a 3x 6x double bar or something for $700. I have been about 15-20 times since then. Alot of the times I play and can't even get a hit over 5x the bet. I have kicked total ass on $5 machines. My first $5 machine I put $100 into and on last 2 credits hit $1250. I have also hit $1750 on a $5 machine after putting $220 into the double Top dollar game. I have also lost $500 in 10 minutes or so on that double top dollar game not getting even 1 bonus. I have only played the $5 machines about 8 times only losing 4/8 times. $500 $400 $220 $200. I don't play them now because the bankroll required to play these things should be around $2000 and I usually bring $300. One time I hit 100 credits on double double bar or something on the $5 machine and cashed out. the $5 machine saved my ass twice from losing on the $1 machines. once for $500 100 credit offer and another for 30 credits on 2nd pull. My attitude toward these things is I am scared to hell of them. They are very fun to play but I know it will probably eat my ass. There is not really much more to step up from there. To hit a 3x 3x 3x the odds are like what? 1 in 100,000 or higher? I saw the machines as a challenge or a game to see if I can win. If I were after making money I would probably do blackjack.

anyway the jist of this thing is what are most likely the odds in hitting the 3x 777 777 or a 3x 3x 777 etc I got the 4th highest possible thing on the machine. $36 less (after taxes) then the 3rd highest thing which is a 3x 3x 77.
Mission146
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January 7th, 2017 at 10:31:33 PM permalink
The first thing that I should tell you is that signs stating, 'Up to 98% payback,' literally mean basically nothing. Generally speaking, it means that a machine in that bank, or a machine of that type (somewhere) pays 98% while all of the rest of the machines could be less than that. If every machine in that bank, or of that type were guaranteed to be 98%, then it would say, 'At least 98% payback,' or something to that effect. If I was a casino tossing out at least 98% on some of my machines, then, 'At least 98%,' is the type of verbiage I would want to use. I would not use verbiage that basically means, 'As much as 98%, but could also be any percentage less than that within jurisdictional minimums.'

I don't have even a guess on the odds of that, you made 450x your bet amount, it looks like, so I would guess the odds might be around 1 in 10,000 spins, but I can't say for sure. That would be a $900 hit per $20,000 coin-in, if it were the case, so a return of 4.5% on that specific result, seems feasible.

I don't know about 100x your bet every 500 spins, though, that would seem a bit high to me. It would definitely be a top heavy payout structure, as you would be talking about 20% return on just that one result. A good part of the return, even on single-line machines, will often be concentrated on the bottom half of the pay schedule. You wouldn't want to tag a player, more often than not, for a couple hundred bones and have that player feel as though he or she never had a chance.

If I may, I think you should learn Video Poker. If you find the best paytable in the house, then you know what you are getting as long as the machines are not Class II units. You write well enough that I would certainly conclude that you are intelligent enough to play Video Poker, many VP games will offer the Variance that you seem to crave, or maybe not, but they'll get pretty close. Video Poker also has a lot of exciting moments, holding four-to-a-royal, always exciting. Three Aces on Double-Double Bonus or Triple-Double Bonus, always exciting. Just determine the best game available to you, and it can be done with rote memorization, if that ends up being too hard (some games are really complicated) then carry a strategy sheet.

You seem upset that you often don't get much bang for your buck. Slots are feast or famine, and that can be said of some Video Poker games, too, but your average VP game will keep you in the game longer than your average slot machine. I'm also unconvinced that you're getting 98% on all of your units of choice.
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krava
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January 7th, 2017 at 10:58:35 PM permalink
I am unconvinced as well. Up to 98% also means 1% (which is illegal, I think the state law is 90% or something). They do have machines there that have exact payouts 96.77% and whatever. I have played VP 25C version and can play for quite a while. I usually play Jacks or better version though. I am just done with the stress of all that. I feel like a weight has been lifted off of me after finally hitting something higher up. Thanks for the reply though.

one of the last times I was at the casino, I felt like I didn't have any chance at all. I have it posted on here or something. payback % was around 8% is what I got. I put $60 in got 4 credits back. Put $100 in got 14 back. put another $100 in another one got maybe 20 back. Put another $100 in and got 32 back. But it feels like you don't have a chance when you put $100 into a $1 machine and get 2 hits on the ENTIRE $100. That is 50 pulls plus however many you win and play it back.
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Mission146
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January 7th, 2017 at 11:03:38 PM permalink
Not 1%, basically just any amount between the jurisdictional minimum and 98%. Actually, it also kind of means that they pay, at most, 98%, or could be interpreted that way. If I have ten slices of pizza, you're lucky I'm a nice guy, because I'll offer you, 'Up to five,' if it is just you and I sitting there. Obviously, I expect you not to take six or more. If I wanted to offer you six or more, I would say, 'Take at least six.'

Do they not have any $0.50 denomination Video Poker that would result in a bet of $2.50/hand, or $1.00 denomination that would be $5.00/hand? Are there no quarter or dime games with multiple hands or other special features that result in an increased bet? What is the JoB paytable?

I mean, you definitely want to learn Video Poker if you're going to play it, even on a good paytable, or you may well have it worse than some of the slots.
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krava
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January 7th, 2017 at 11:52:44 PM permalink
They have 25c, $1, $5 machines play up to 20 credits at a time. Eldorado Shreveport Casino
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January 8th, 2017 at 5:54:25 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Not 1%, basically just any amount between the jurisdictional minimum and 98%. Actually, it also kind of means that they pay, at most, 98%, or could be interpreted that way. If I have ten slices of pizza, you're lucky I'm a nice guy, because I'll offer you, 'Up to five,' if it is just you and I sitting there. Obviously, I expect you not to take six or more. If I wanted to offer you six or more, I would say, 'Take at least six.'
Do they not have any $0.50 denomination Video Poker that would result in a bet of $2.50/hand, or $1.00 denomination that would be $5.00/hand? Are there no quarter or dime games with multiple hands or other special features that result in an increased bet? What is the JoB paytable?
I mean, you definitely want to learn Video Poker if you're going to play it, even on a good paytable, or you may well have it worse than some of the slots.



Great explanation thank you very much!

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