Jp
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December 5th, 2013 at 2:10:36 PM permalink
This question is concerning the \$900 starting progressive jackpot on Outback Jack 2003-2006 version by aristocrat.

1. Is the progressive determined at the beginning of the cycle and is paid when the progressive gets to that number or is decided on each individual spin if the random number generator hits the say 1/100000 odd selection?

2. If it is per spin based, does betting 2x increase odds each spin then by 2x?

3. Also then as it increases to say \$1,900, are the odds increased so machine pays more likely after it has played so long and obviously made a lot of money by then?

Thanks
Mission146
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December 5th, 2013 at 2:44:52 PM permalink
I'm not sure this is what you are asking, but most machines have a, "Base jackpot," to which the return anytime a jackpot is hit.
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FleaStiff
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December 5th, 2013 at 3:07:26 PM permalink
Quote: Jp

3. Also then as it increases to say \$1,900, are the odds increased so machine pays more likely after it has played so long and obviously made a lot of money by then?

Get this "payout cycle" nonsense out of your head. Slot machines do NOT collect some money and then decide to pay out some ... slot machines work on Random Number Generators. Random.
Before a payout: random. After a payout: Random.
Facing North: Random Facing South: Random.

The amount of a bonus can vary if its a progressive, but the payout is always random.
If the bonus was paid out last year, it may hit again today. If the bonus was paid out yesterday, it may hit again today. Get it. RANDOM.
Jp
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December 5th, 2013 at 3:12:30 PM permalink
That's what I thought. But my friend says he thinks its predetermined after each progressive reset. So it is predetermined at cycle beginning or determined during the cycle itself on an each spin basis?
Mission146
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December 5th, 2013 at 4:58:00 PM permalink
Also, if you could refrain from editing the OP after someone has answered the original question, that'd be cool. My response makes absolutely no sense now!
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tournamentking
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December 5th, 2013 at 6:42:39 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Get this "payout cycle" nonsense out of your head. Slot machines do NOT collect some money and then decide to pay out some ... slot machines work on Random Number Generators. Random.
Before a payout: random. After a payout: Random.
Facing North: Random Facing South: Random.

The amount of a bonus can vary if its a progressive, but the payout is always random.
If the bonus was paid out last year, it may hit again today. If the bonus was paid out yesterday, it may hit again today. Get it. RANDOM.

Whoa pardner! Slot machines have set holds, these hold percentages can be changed at any time and by definition, that eliminates the word "random" from the discussion.
Mooseton
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December 5th, 2013 at 7:46:04 PM permalink
Quote: Jp

That's what I thought. But my friend says he thinks its predetermined after each progressive reset. So it is predetermined at cycle beginning or determined during the cycle itself on an each spin basis?

Sounds like you are confusing a regular progressive jackpot with a mystery progressive jackpot.
I believe the mystery jackpots are predetermined at reset. Not so with regular progressive jackpots like Outback Jack.
\$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
AxelWolf
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December 5th, 2013 at 8:05:42 PM permalink
Quote: tournamentking

Whoa pardner! Slot machines have set holds, these hold percentages can be changed at any time and by definition, that eliminates the word "random" from the discussion.

In Nevada by law they can not be changed at anytime, that's BS.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
tournamentking
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December 11th, 2013 at 12:38:26 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

In Nevada by law they can not be changed at anytime, that's BS.

Sure they can axel. There's a regulation procedure that has to be followed, that's all. Maybe "at anytime" was too loose a term.
AxelWolf
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December 11th, 2013 at 1:18:18 AM permalink
Quote: tournamentking

Sure they can axel. There's a regulation procedure that has to be followed, that's all. Maybe "at anytime" was too loose a term.

First of all that's only A recent thing in few casinos here in Vegas, like the cosmopolitan that have that capability. It cant happen while you are playing the machine must be vacant for a period of time. This dose not really affect AP VP players because the % of the machine is determend by the payable and your strategy so anytime you look at the machine you can fig out the % by looking assuming you have this knowledge, most VP AP do.

Most machines in Vegas they must go into the machine in order to change the %. Some machines they have to Change the chip and submit paperwork.

Since your only a slot player this should concern you. Because if you Did your little slot machine note taking on a Thursday, then came back in 30 min they could have changed the % and you would never have a clue. All the more reason why VP Play is a better choice when it comes to AP.

Once again I do believe one can get an advantage on some slots. I Just don't think you're the ONE.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪