Lion's Share
Well, this was all well publicized of course they had to impose fines or they might look weak.Quote: Wizard
Quote: AxelWolfWell, this was all well publicized of course they had to impose fines or they might look weak.
You asked for examples so it should be expected I would know about the public ones.
Quote: MathExtremistMGM may be willing to part with the par sheet because the manufacturer is defunct and they'll take it away as soon as it hits.
The manufacturer isn't quite defunct. It's an IGT S+ machine (there are still a number of them in operation in downtown Las Vegas). The kit was created by Mikohn Gaming which eventually got bought out by IGT, and IGT is very much still in business.
Quote: WizardAxiom is more confident about the 256 virtual stops than I am. I have a box full of par sheets and the total number of stops seems pretty arbitrary. Then again, most are by IGT, so I'm mostly getting a sense of their style. Lion's Share is my Mikohn, who I didn't even know ever made slots, until I saw this game.
In Axiom's defense, choosing random numbers from an even power of 2 was more of a programming style back when that game was made in 95 than it is now.
While I respect Axiom's opinion a great deal, and I'm not saying he is wrong, but I'm not so convinced Lion's Share is on a 256-stop reel map.
The S+ was capable of up to 512 reel stops, which I believe was introduced to the S+ in part to support the Megabucks WAP games.
Quote: mickeycrimmThe OP's picture shows the meter at 2.274 million. If the meter started at 1 million then 1.74 million has gone into the meter. With a 0.75% meter that would be about a $170,000,000 wager. At $3 a spin that would be about 57 million spins. But the problem is I don't think the amount of shortcoining can be quantified.
It wouldn't matter if non-max plays don't feed the meter. I'm not sure how that particular game works -- if someone puts in $2, does 1.5c go to the meter?
Quote: MathExtremistIt wouldn't matter if non-max plays don't feed the meter. I'm not sure how that particular game works -- if someone puts in $2, does 1.5c go to the meter?
I would suspect that the short coin bets do not increment the progressive. In Montana, where Mickey lives, it is common for all bets to increment the progressive.
Quote: CrystalMathI would suspect that the short coin bets do not increment the progressive. In Montana, where Mickey lives, it is common for all bets to increment the progressive.
My experience in Nevada is that most progressives are incremented by all coin in.
Quote: CrystalMathI would suspect that the short coin bets do not increment the progressive. In Montana, where Mickey lives, it is common for all bets to increment the progressive.
It's also common in Nevada. I love those banks of quick hits where everyone is short-coining.
Quote: CrystalMathI would suspect that the short coin bets do not increment the progressive.
DRich and AxiomOfChoice are correct. On an S+ machine, the progressive meter is pulsed by every coin in, even if it's not a max bet. Short-coin wagers on the Lion's Share machine do increase the progressive.
Soon as I get my tax refund. Josie is headed to Vegas !
Quote: BuzzardWARNING If anyone wants to hit the jackpot... HURRY
Soon as I get my tax refund. Josie is headed to Vegas !
As I read this post, I looked up at the TV and saw a lion statue. I think that's a good sign.
Quote: rudeboyoiAs I read this post, I looked up at the TV and saw a lion statue. I think that's a good sign.
Unfortunately you need three of them.... on the same spin, no less. The nerve...
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceUnfortunately you need three of them.... on the same spin, no less. The nerve...
Would you rather be guaranteed at least one or wait for me to see three lion statues on TV at once?
Quote: rudeboyoiWould you rather be guaranteed at least one or wait for me to see three lion statues on TV at once?
Good point. One lion is good for a minimum $3 profit.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceUnfortunately you need three of them.... on the same spin, no less. The nerve...
Gee, for a measly 2 million plus, they sure and making it difficult !
Quote: BuzzardGee, for a measly 2 million plus, they sure and making it difficult !
So what's the STANDARD TIP on a $2.3 million dollar win?
Quote: BuzzardGee, for a measly 2 million plus, they sure and making it difficult !
I know, right?
When Josie wins and you are looking for people to buy gifts for, please remember that I like good scotch and fast cars.
Quote: BuzzardThen I will make sure Josie gives you a lift to the nearest bar in her new Ferrari.
But it's the ride home that I'll need!!!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI know, right?
When Josie wins and you are looking for people to buy gifts for, please remember that I like good scotch and fast cars.
id prefer a good car and fast scotch.
Because they all increment the progressive, there is no way to tell how many progressive eligible spins there have been.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThis guy likes the game...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj-P_MgNZc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He has a few other videos of him playing it one of which its pretty recent.
The earliest youtube video of Lions Share is Dec 2011, and the meter was at $2,252,000. The latest video is Jan. 2014, and the meter is at $2,338,000. That's $86,000 of meter rise in three years and one month.
It's a 0.75% meter so 86,000 X 133.3333 means the machine has had about $11,500,000 in action for the past 37 months.
If all the spins were at max bet that would be about 3,800,000 spins.
Quote: coilmanSo what's the STANDARD TIP on a $2.3 million dollar win?
If you hit a $20,000 royal in video poker the "standard tip" (if there is such a thing) is $100, which is one-half of one percent.
On a $2.3-million dollar jackpot one-half of one percent is $11,500. I think that is reasonable... but I would break it up $10,000 for the slot floor people who paid you, another $500 to the cocktail waitress who kept you hydrated, $1,000 to the cage people.
Quote: BuzzardWARNING If anyone wants to hit the jackpot... HURRY
Soon as I get my tax refund. Josie is headed to Vegas !
How do you get a refund?
I went to MGM Grand on Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday, expecting I would have to wait to play the Lions Share. Someone was playing it, but there was no line. She had put in $20, cashed out for $161.
I played for about 1/2 an hour, put in $200 and cashed out for $200. Noone was waiting to play after me.
Quote: BuzzardSome kind of educational credit. Hey, somebody has to help kids like me get a formal education !
Education is wasted on the young.
taxpaying citizen working at AT&T.
Quote: BuzzardYouth is wasted on the young. But then I would probably make the same mistakes, just enjoy them more. Smoked filled poolrooms,hustling duckpins, collecting for bookies, hanging out on the BLOCK strips clubs when all the girls were girls, but then at 28 Josie entered my life and I went over to the DARKSIDE. An actual
taxpaying citizen working at AT&T.
Buzz, I regret my misspent youth; too much time in the smoke filled pool halls, too little time spent with the girls.
Is that old people code for the obvious ?Quote: HeadlockI feel a kinship developing.
Quote: BuzzardI had an uncle who won $2,000,000. He spent $197,600 on slow horses and fast women. The remainder he spent foolishly.
For some odd reason this sounds familiar...
Quote: BuzzardI had an uncle who won $2,000,000. He spent $197,600 on slow horses and fast women. The remainder he spent foolishly.
So he only spent 9.88 percent of his winnings on women and horses?
Quote: IbeatyouracesThis guy likes the game...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj-P_MgNZc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He has a few other videos of him playing it one of which its pretty recent.
Free Data!!
Results of the Video quoted above, taped April 29th, 2012:
| Symbol | Reel 1 | Reel 2 | Reel 3 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Blank | 17 | 29 | 27 |
| 1-Bar | 23 | 7 | 26 |
| 2-Bar | 12 | 9 | 2 |
| 3-Bar | 3 | 9 | 0 |
| 7 | 1 | 3 | 1 |
| Lion off | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Lion on | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Total | 57 | 57 | 57 |
And the most recent video he linked. Dec. 29th, 2013. Damn security made him stop...he was spinning faster in this video. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGFEl4BBa8E
Results:
| Symbol | Reel 1 | Reel 2 | Reel 3 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Blank | 15 | 24 | 33 |
| 1-Bar | 27 | 4 | 19 |
| 2-Bar | 11 | 21 | 1 |
| 3-Bar | 4 | 8 | 3 |
| 7 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| Lion off | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Lion on | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Total | 59 | 59 | 59 |
If the Wiz adds his data to his collection, it would look like this.
| Symbol | Reel 1 | Reel 2 | Reel 3 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Blank | 531 | 761 | 914 |
| 1-Bar | 617 | 182 | 576 |
| 2-Bar | 314 | 479 | 67 |
| 3-Bar | 134 | 196 | 54 |
| 7 | 61 | 45 | 58 |
| Lion off | 22 | 19 | 14 |
| Lion on | 11 | 8 | 7 |
| Total | 1690 | 1690 | 1690 |
And the new return would look like below. He won $9 overall, ran good on the Lions and 1-Bars and it went up...meh
I feel like this data sample is on the hot side, but I'd rather the machine be +EV, especially when I sit down to play it. ;)
| Symbol | Payout | Probability | Return | Return Change | % Return Change |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3 Lions on Payline | 2342270 | 1.27620546E-007 | 0.0996405921 | 0.0035363065 | 3.55% |
| 3 Lions Anywhere | 10000 | 3.74885354E-006 | 0.0124961785 | 2.80642922E-005 | 0.22% |
| 3 7s | 300 | 0.0001068948 | 0.0106894845 | -0.0003670299 | -3.43% |
| 3 3-Bar | 150 | 0.0005747822 | 0.0287391111 | 0.0001364827 | 0.47% |
| 3 2-Bar | 60 | 0.0031972479 | 0.0639449583 | -0.0004380959 | -0.69% |
| 3 1-Bar | 30 | 0.0167986218 | 0.1679862182 | 0.0013291007 | 0.79% |
| Any 3 Bars | 15 | 0.1238094271 | 0.6190471355 | 0.0068585703 | 1.11% |
| Any 2 Lions | 15 | 0.0003403541 | 0.0017017703 | -3.2246439E-005 | -1.89% |
| Any 1 Lion | 6 | 0.0341777881 | 0.0683555761 | -0.0008131946 | -1.19% |
| Nothing | 0 | 0.8209910075 | 0 | 0 | 0.00% |
| Total | 1 | 1.0726010245 | 0.0102379577 | 0.95% |
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303973704579354830486470944?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLE_Video_second
Quote: teddysThere was an article about Lion's Share in the Wall Street Journal today.
The Wiz was NOT quoted:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303973704579354830486470944?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLE_Video_second
But his page definitely likely was used and misinterpreted (what a shock). The reporter claims that MGM has never changed the odds on the machine. Who knows if that's totally true though.
Yeah wow quoting the forum out of context. I always thought these gambling writers just steal from the forums and make up quotes covering their real sources. Chances are maybe we've been used but names changed somewhere. Journalism is so dead these days.Quote: tringlomaneQuote: teddysThere was an article about Lion's Share in the Wall Street Journal today.
The Wiz was NOT quoted:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303973704579354830486470944?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLE_Video_second
But his page definitely likely was used and misinterpreted (what a shock). The reporter claims that MGM has never changed the odds on the machine. Who knows if that's totally true though.
Quote: WizardIt goes up by 0.75% of money bet. Nobody seems to be sure where the meter started.
I talked to someone named Cheryl at MGM January of last year and mentioned it in this thread:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/12066-lions-share/4/#post207843
She said it started at 1M.
The prophecy doesn't say so, but prophecies always do have twists. It's a possibility. I'd go there with a disguise ready if I won though. It's been planned but I am not at liberty to reveal the costume.Quote: BuzzardYou might wake up in the back alley. penniless, inside that slot machine, while 2 hotties speed off to the airport.
