Mosca
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August 17th, 2012 at 6:18:02 PM permalink
I saw a new one the other day; a bank of slots where you could pick the way they play. (I know it's been there a while, but I just noticed it.) You can pick lots of small payouts, a mix, or lots of losses and a few big hits.

Question, would the overall payout be the same? ie, is the machine going to pay out the same % regardless? My thought is yes, but I'm sure someone actually knows the answer. I'd look it up, but I don't remember the manufacturer, or the machine name (it had cats and made a meow sound).
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August 17th, 2012 at 7:04:07 PM permalink
Payout percentage and hit frequency are two different things. I've never seen a machine that offered this option, but AFAIK the payout percentage should be the same for all the different types of play.

For example, you might get paid $5 twenty times on the small hits option, $50 twice for the big hit option, or $25 twice and then $10 five times for the mixed hits option, but it still all adds up to $100.
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August 17th, 2012 at 7:24:45 PM permalink
Quote: tsmith

Payout percentage and hit frequency are two different things. I've never seen a machine that offered this option, but AFAIK the payout percentage should be the same for all the different types of play.

For example, you might get paid $5 twenty times on the small hits option, $50 twice for the big hit option, or $25 twice and then $10 five times for the mixed hits option, but it still all adds up to $100.



I would think that it would be the same, and you know that the payouts for each version must be within the parameters of the Gaming Regulations. However, I think that it would take a full deconstruction of each version of the game determining reel assignments and probabilities to make absolutely certain that it is so.
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August 17th, 2012 at 7:51:55 PM permalink
Yeah, that's what I think, too; just wondering if anyone actually knows.
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August 17th, 2012 at 7:53:59 PM permalink
I would also think it would be the same. Most places pretty much set all their slots of a given denomination the same way if they have a choice in the matter. With Participation Slots, they will not have as much of a choice.
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August 18th, 2012 at 5:36:49 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

Question, would the overall payout be the same? ie, is the machine going to pay out the same % regardless? My thought is yes, but I'm sure someone actually knows the answer. I'd look it up, but I don't remember the manufacturer, or the machine name (it had cats and made a meow sound).



The machines are Aristocrat (I have a friend who works for them, and on my WoVCon trip, he pointed some out to me).

According to him, they are set to paybacks based on the casino's preference but each game can be set either independently or collectively, as long as it's consistent. He also said they have really tanked so far, mostly because the average ploppie who plays slots doesn't really seem to care as long as they win. It was actually a way to get gamblers into the games. They haven't tied a successful franchise (like Mr. Cashman) to it yet; you probably found a Miss Kitty slot machine, which is popular, but not a top-5 franchise for them.

His prediction is they won't be on the floors too much longer. It was a nice idea that tested well, but sometimes great results in a controlled setting don't translate well to the general public.
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August 18th, 2012 at 6:06:59 AM permalink
I play Miss Kitty machines in the Tunica casinos and I don't recall ever seeing anything about being able to select hit options.

I don't know if it's that most slot players don't care, Tiltpoul, but that video slots, especially the Aristocrat line, seem to confuse some of the older players. I like Aristocrat games, my favorite being Pompeii, where there are no paylines per se, but you get paid for symbols simply being on adjacent reels. I got my friend to play them and she enjoys the heck out of them, but has no idea why she wins on any spin.

The Miss Kitty game has what they call "sticky wilds" during the bonus free spin round, where when any of the Miss Kitty symbols show up, they stay where they are for any subsequent spins. You can rack up quite a nice amount that way, but the bonus doesn't come around all that often.

Another of my favorite games is 50 Lions, where there are stacked lion symbols. Some of the other companies, like WMS, are integrating stacked symbols now, as in their Zeus II game.

But as I was saying, I notice that when I go to the casinos, I see most of the older folks playing familiar games like Monopoly and Jackpot Party and video slots that have the simple pick 'em type of bonuses or bonus rounds that come with a story, and very few playing the Aristocrat games (unless they're locals).
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August 18th, 2012 at 9:42:55 AM permalink
Thanks for the good info, tsmith. So they can be set either way! I didn't really care for them myself, but Mrs loves 'em. She hit that Miss Kitty for almost $700, betting $1.50. (Yes, I know her win is only temporary.)
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August 18th, 2012 at 10:07:50 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

Thanks for the good info, tsmith. So they can be set either way! I didn't really care for them myself, but Mrs loves 'em. She hit that Miss Kitty for almost $700, betting $1.50. (Yes, I know her win is only temporary.)



At Casino Arizona, if you put a voucher into the cash machine, it will give you bills and another voucher for the change portion, which left me with a voucher for 35 cents. I popped that into a Miss Kitty and spun for 20 cents, then 10, then 5--and hit the bonus. The bonus paid over $5 for a nickel spin, so I believe I'll try it out when I go to Vegas!
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August 18th, 2012 at 1:20:25 PM permalink
Since I mentioned Zeus II with its stacked symbols, I thought I might also mention that you can play it free if you're on Facebook, at their Jackpot Party Casino game app. The game plays exactly like it does in the casino, but of course you're only playing with points.

There's also a site that will let you download the 50 Lions game and it too plays exactly the same as the real thing minus the real money part.

I hope I don't get in trouble for saying any of this. It's not meant to be an advertisement of anything and I get absolutely nothing if you play either game.

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