DJTeddyBear
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January 25th, 2011 at 6:59:35 AM permalink
From http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/poker/4166-poker-tourney-director-opinion-poll-part-two/
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In a tournament itís folded to me on the small blind.
I reach for my chips and the Big Blind announces "If you raise I will go all in".
I raise.
He folds.

Should he be forced to go all in since he verbally declared he would if I raised?

I'd like to come at this topic from the other direction.



Here's my specific example.

Cash game. $1/$2 table. Under the gun, I have pocket aces. I limp. The player on my left makes it $7. Sweet. Several callers. The player on my right makes it $27. I was going to raise it to $30, so instead I call. After a moment, the player on my left raises all in to about $100. Everyone folds to the player on my right, who has about $250. I have about $400.

While he's thinking, I'm thinking of saying something to induce a call or raise. I do NOT want him to fold.

I'm thinking about saying "If you call, I won't call, but if you fold, I'll call."

I KNOW the statement implies that I'd be folding if he calls. The reality is, if he calls, I'm raising.

I know that when it's heads up, the table chatter can go beyond what is normally limited, but there was a third player, albeit all-in.


I ended up saying nothing, but how binding would my statement have been?
If he called, would I be able to raise?
Would I have been out of line and/or received a warning?
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗
DJTeddyBear
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:05:58 AM permalink
P.S. I was also thinking of saying "Whatever you do, I'll do the opposite."
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗
Croupier
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:19:49 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

P.S. I was also thinking of saying "Whatever you do, I'll do the opposite."



It being a cash game, the rules are slightly different. What you say you thought about voicing to me could be indicative of collusion. If it was your first offence, I might have a quiet word. No formal warning
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AZDuffman
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:51:56 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

P.S. I was also thinking of saying "Whatever you do, I'll do the opposite."



That might be a little more acceptable heads-up as it is not really a statement of intent. To be safer I'd say something like, "You have to be thinking whatever you do I'll do the oppisite," to make it even more ambiguous. If I was a card room manager I'd might make an official warning if you annonced intent based on his action, heads-up or not. But a mixed-up, mafia movie style statement, "eg: We both know you are thinking what I am thinking and no use trying to think about that," would get you an unofficail warning the first time if and only if there was a complaint.

BTW: I for one like these situational quizes. Really, really make you think.
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Ayecarumba
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January 25th, 2011 at 11:01:54 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear


I know that when it's heads up, the table chatter can go beyond what is normally limited, but there was a third player, albeit all-in.



If you had tried to induce the player to act, the third player could have complained, and justifiably, your hand could have been declared dead. Tournament or ring, one unchanging standard is "one player per hand".
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci

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