DJTeddyBear
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December 16th, 2021 at 1:16:19 PM permalink
I got into a private email conversation with a WoV member who is a wanna-be game designer that I think has a good attitude about the industry and struggles of game design.

During the conversation, he mentioned building a wall of chips to hide behind while playing poker.

On my last G2E trip, I made a couple small walls of chips, plus one nice chip rail at craps. These were all $200 buy-ins.


The conversation also reminded me of a poker hand I played about 10 years ago that still haunts me.

I had been doing well, and after a few hours had built my $200 buy in up to $650. I'm the chip leader. Then this hand happens.

Early players limp. I'm in the middle with a suited one gap: 6c8c, and throw my $2 in, expecting to never see it again. Everyone limps, and we're 9 handed with a flop of 5c7c8h. I have no expectation of being a winner with the top pair, but I have a monster draw - open ended straight flush.

Blinds check. UTG makes it $15. Early players fold to me.

I think about raising my monster draw, but it's only a draw, so I merely call.

It folds to the button who had been felted a little while earlier, rebought for $100, and had been pushing his chips around to build it up to about $170. He raises to $50. I figure he has two high cards with one club at best. No pair. He's just trying to buy it.

I immediately plan to go all in. The blinds fold, but UTG doesn't know about my plan, and shoves for about $450.

The other early players fold, so it's just the three of us, as shown here:


I only invested $17, but have a monster draw. I KNOW the button has crap. But the UTG? My wheels are turning, and I realize he has pocket fives for the bottom set.

Do I really call off all of my profits on this draw?
Why couldn't I be a short stack ninja? That would be an easy call.

What would you do?


I'll finish this story in a couple days.
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Vegasrider
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December 16th, 2021 at 1:57:10 PM permalink
I dump it in a heart beat, too much to call. Too many callers pre flop so you are in last place. Someone flipped set and or straight. Funny story, I was playing UTH during graveyard head up, I got every $5 chip from the dealer by winning and built the 敵reat Wall of China as one dealer saw and named it. I told the pit I would sell them back if anyone sat down. I致e managed to accomplish this feat a few times
ChallengedMilly
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December 16th, 2021 at 2:17:49 PM permalink
Full house is very possible but you rarely get genuine straight flush draws like this. I like get it in because I'm not the strongest long term player at an event like that. Poor strategy players need to take large calculated risks and that's a good spot to do it.
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December 17th, 2021 at 3:22:46 AM permalink
I'd call. Even if UTG has the set, you have two shots at 17 outs. According to a calculator I pulled up, you win 45.56% of the time in that spot.
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billryan
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December 17th, 2021 at 9:16:47 AM permalink
I don't play poker, but I like your chip fortress. I like to build my towers on the ends and gradually fill in the exterior walls.
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December 17th, 2021 at 9:42:30 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear


During the conversation, he mentioned building a wall of chips to hide behind while playing poker.
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Hide what? Hopefully, your cards are in clear view, as I believe most rooms require that. It's a big issue with me when someone has their cards out of plain view.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
DJTeddyBear
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December 17th, 2021 at 10:14:21 AM permalink
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Hide what? Hopefully, your cards are in clear view, as I believe most rooms require that. It's a big issue with me when someone has their cards out of plain view.
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No. He meant it would be so high, it would hide his face. Yeah, I壇 like a stack like that too!
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December 17th, 2021 at 2:27:38 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: AxelWolf

Hide what? Hopefully, your cards are in clear view, as I believe most rooms require that. It's a big issue with me when someone has their cards out of plain view.
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No. He meant it would be so high, it would hide his face. Yeah, I壇 like a stack like that too!
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unJon
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December 17th, 2021 at 2:28:45 PM permalink
Re: your poker hand. I would happily get my money in heads up vs UTG. Would be a bit concerned that a nut flush draw or a made nut straight is in the button痴 range though.
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DJTeddyBear
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December 17th, 2021 at 8:08:45 PM permalink
The short update:

I folded. But was that the right play?

More details Sunday.
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