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April 25th, 2021 at 7:07:24 PM permalink


me thinks this guys knows alot more about RNG then anyone in the room

do you think this guy has seen an entire period of an RNGs output and has seen the exact flop before?
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April 25th, 2021 at 10:33:36 PM permalink
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me thinks this guys knows alot more about RNG then anyone in the room

do you think this guy has seen an entire period of an RNGs output and has seen the exact flop before?



Poker players do this constantly. One in a million just happened. Means nothing.


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April 25th, 2021 at 11:58:17 PM permalink
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me thinks this guys knows alot more about RNG then anyone in the room

do you think this guy has seen an entire period of an RNGs output and has seen the exact flop before?



Poker players do this constantly. One in a million just happened. Means nothing.


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do you know - what am i saying - you KNOW that RNGs have something called a period - which the results will always repeat eventually... or do you actually know that...

and people have noticed this and used this to gain an advantage over people in card games

it only happens in badly programmed RNGs but it has happened - most likely not today but still
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April 26th, 2021 at 10:43:41 AM permalink
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do you know - what am i saying - you KNOW that RNGs have something called a period - which the results will always repeat eventually... or do you actually know that...

and people have noticed this and used this to gain an advantage over people in card games

it only happens in badly programmed RNGs but it has happened - most likely not today but still


An RNG is one thing, but the only "period" that a deck of cards has is, if you do eight (or any multiple of eight) "perfect" shuffles of a deck of 52 cards, the cards retain their original order.
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April 26th, 2021 at 12:24:29 PM permalink
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An RNG is one thing, but the only "period" that a deck of cards has is, if you do eight (or any multiple of eight) "perfect" shuffles of a deck of 52 cards, the cards retain their original order.



yes but .... well just read the start of this page

this is a RNG that was made for bridge and just the first sentence is kinda nuts

BTW this is also what you would consider to be a rigged RNG although it doesnt really state that in the description

https://sater.home.xs4all.nl/doc.html

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During the Olympiad 2000 in Maastricht a newly developed program, called Big Deal generated all deals. There were good reasons why existing programs were not considered adequate anymore, and in this abstract these reasons are summarised.

There have been too many incidents in the past where whole series of deals were recognised from previous occasions. There are also good reasons to assume the security of existing software is inadequate, although no successful security breaches are known. It is better to keep it that way.

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April 26th, 2021 at 3:05:40 PM permalink
The probability of getting all three calls right, given six known cards, is 1 in 428,361.

This is just dumb luck. I've seen such predictions at the tables many times before. Everybody remembers the rare times somebody is right and quickly forgets the many times players are wrong. It is psychic freerolling. Do you think there would be a YouTube video of this if he were wrong?
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April 27th, 2021 at 5:33:13 AM permalink
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The probability of getting all three calls right, given six known cards, is 1 in 428,361.

This is just dumb luck. I've seen such predictions at the tables many times before. Everybody remembers the rare times somebody is right and quickly forgets the many times players are wrong. It is psychic freerolling. Do you think there would be a YouTube video of this if he were wrong?

Unless I'm mistaken, the guy who called the cards blind, was Duke, who folded QhJd. Calling 8,9,10 meant he would have flopped a straight, so it's not all that surprising that he called for those cards. It's kinda common for players to call out stuff like that. Of course, it's far more uncommon for them to be right.

Note that he only called the ranks, not the suits. So I'm wondering if Mike's calculation was based on ranks only.

He then called the turn, rank and suit, then called the river, also rank and suit. So ya gotta wonder what's the odds of that?

But, bottom line, players call out cards like that all the time. Shit happens. Sooner or later, someone has to get it right, and be on camera at the time.

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April 27th, 2021 at 6:35:11 AM permalink
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Unless I'm mistaken, the guy who called the cards blind, was Duke, who folded QhJd. Calling 8,9,10 meant he would have flopped a straight, so it's not all that surprising that he called for those cards. It's kinda common for players to call out stuff like that. Of course, it's far more uncommon for them to be right.

Note that he only called the ranks, not the suits. So I'm wondering if Mike's calculation was based on ranks only.



They were based on ranks only on the flop.

I didn't know about those other two cards. Removing them lowers the odds to 1 in 339,378.

Perhaps this point was made already, but if he knew the community cards would be what they were, he would have won, except if the flop were all 7-8-9 in all spades. If he knew he would have won, or had a 63/64 chance of winning, he wouldn't have folded.
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April 27th, 2021 at 8:01:56 AM permalink
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They were based on ranks only on the flop.

I didn't know about those other two cards. Removing them lowers the odds to 1 in 339,378.

Perhaps this point was made already, but if he knew the community cards would be what they were, he would have won, except if the flop were all 7-8-9 in all spades. If he knew he would have won, or had a 63/64 chance of winning, he wouldn't have folded.



Exactly, if he knew the cards coming he would have stayed in the pot and won the pot.
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