Asswhoopermcdaddy
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November 24th, 2019 at 6:10:12 PM permalink
Hi WoV members. Been awhile since my last post. Crazy busy grinding away at the job. And it's been way too long since I've had a vacation let alone a Vegas vacation.

As I contemplate the meaning of life and try to find moral redemption at a roulette table, it'd be nice to be able to play some online poker and not have to face a Bot or deal with a site that steals your money for whatever reason (fraud, ponzi, you won too much etc.).

A lot of sites seem to have issues with Bots, delayed payouts, etc. What's your take on the situation? Are there legit sites or is it all a scam? I'd be more comfortable if a big casino in a regulated state had a fully up and running site, but this isn't available nationally. And even then, the fact that you can't see your opponent face to face should give you pause.
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November 24th, 2019 at 6:47:49 PM permalink
Quote: Asswhoopermcdaddy

Hi WoV members. Been awhile since my last post. Crazy busy grinding away at the job. And it's been way too long since I've had a vacation let alone a Vegas vacation.

As I contemplate the meaning of life and try to find moral redemption at a roulette table, it'd be nice to be able to play some online poker and not have to face a Bot or deal with a site that steals your money for whatever reason (fraud, ponzi, you won too much etc.).

A lot of sites seem to have issues with Bots, delayed payouts, etc. What's your take on the situation? Are there legit sites or is it all a scam? I'd be more comfortable if a big casino in a regulated state had a fully up and running site, but this isn't available nationally. And even then, the fact that you can't see your opponent face to face should give you pause.

I don't really have any good advice for dealing with Bots online. My only advice would be.....

If you can't beat them, join them.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
SOOPOO
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November 25th, 2019 at 5:06:36 PM permalink
Just asking, mainly out of ignorance.....

On line, if there were 4 pros and a 'bot', does the bot reliably beat the pros?

If I wanted to use a 'bot', is it easy to do so?

Who 'sells' bot programs?

How would an opponent possibly know he was playing against a bot?
FleaStiff
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November 25th, 2019 at 8:41:49 PM permalink
I too would like to find moral redemption at a roulette table but casinos that attack lucky players will also attack lucky bots.
AxelWolf
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November 26th, 2019 at 6:19:58 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Just asking, mainly out of ignorance.....

On line, if there were 4 pros and a 'bot', does the bot reliably beat the pros?

If I wanted to use a 'bot', is it easy to do so?

Who 'sells' bot programs?

How would an opponent possibly know he was playing against a bot?

Those are some good questions I would like to know more about this as well. 2+2 it's probably the best place to get answers to those questions assuming someone had a serious interest.

Personally, I don't know anybody nowadays who uses or runs a bot online. I met a few people from the past they claim they were using Bots in small stakes limit poker with success making a few bucks an hour. Certainly they're much more advanced by now.


I seem to get spam emails occasionally for purchasing a poker bot .

I'm sure with a little bit of Googling you can get more information I guess the hard part would be trying to separate fact from fiction.

I won't post a link but you can Google shanky Technologies they offer a commercial poker bots for around $150 a year. From what I understand they are the leading commercial bots available, they seem to be Plug and Play and usable on multiple sites. People claim they win using these bots, but I have no idea if that's true or not, but I would tend to believe it to be true.

This is from 2016

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?13153-Confessions-of-a-botter
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December 3rd, 2019 at 10:46:19 AM permalink
I stopped playing online when I kept a record of how flops were coming down. I recorded a thousand seen flops, regardless of whether I was in the hand or not.I am not a stat man, but can tell you that on 1000 flops, a pair hit in 396 out of the 1000 recorded hands. I recorded this because subconciously I thought it was odd how often pairs hit. The only other stat I kept up with was all in situations with an overpair vs two undercards. The two undercards won 177 times out of the 410 hands I recorded. Both in my opinion were statistical improbabilities. In those cases, many times it wasnt an "all in because I am almost out of chips" play, it was a "I have 10-J offsuit, so I will reraise against pocket aces and win" type of play.

This was on a site you can see to the right ------------------>
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December 3rd, 2019 at 12:40:56 PM permalink
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I stopped playing online when I kept a record of how flops were coming down. I recorded a thousand seen flops, regardless of whether I was in the hand or not.I am not a stat man, but can tell you that on 1000 flops, a pair hit in 396 out of the 1000 recorded hands. I recorded this because subconciously I thought it was odd how often pairs hit. The only other stat I kept up with was all in situations with an overpair vs two undercards. The two undercards won 177 times out of the 410 hands I recorded. Both in my opinion were statistical improbabilities. In those cases, many times it wasnt an "all in because I am almost out of chips" play, it was a "I have 10-J offsuit, so I will reraise against pocket aces and win" type of play.

This was on a site you can see to the right ------------------>

None of those sites even offer that kind of Poker.
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December 3rd, 2019 at 3:27:43 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

None of those sites even offer that kind of Poker.




I am guessing he is referring to Bovada.

I recently posted in another thread or maybe it was this thread that I was involved in hands that had quads in something like 12 hands in 7 hours of playing 4 tables, so in 28 hour I saw 12 quads between me and my opponent and that does not count other hands that I was not involved in since I was multy tabling. And this was just last month while in Pennsylvania so it isnt even an offshore situation.
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AxelWolf
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December 4th, 2019 at 12:36:48 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I am guessing he is referring to Bovada.

I recently posted in another thread or maybe it was this thread that I was involved in hands that had quads in something like 12 hands in 7 hours of playing 4 tables, so in 28 hour I saw 12 quads between me and my opponent and that does not count other hands that I was not involved in since I was multy tabling. And this was just last month while in Pennsylvania so it isnt even an offshore situation.

Oh yes, I guess Bovada doesn't show up for me since my location is in Nevada. No Bovada in Nevada, go figure.
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gordonm888
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December 4th, 2019 at 8:35:35 AM permalink
Quote: mtcards

I stopped playing online when I kept a record of how flops were coming down. I recorded a thousand seen flops, regardless of whether I was in the hand or not.I am not a stat man, but can tell you that on 1000 flops, a pair hit in 396 out of the 1000 recorded hands. I recorded this because subconciously I thought it was odd how often pairs hit. The only other stat I kept up with was all in situations with an overpair vs two undercards. The two undercards won 177 times out of the 410 hands I recorded. Both in my opinion were statistical improbabilities. In those cases, many times it wasnt an "all in because I am almost out of chips" play, it was a "I have 10-J offsuit, so I will reraise against pocket aces and win" type of play.

This was on a site you can see to the right ------------------>



When you say "a pair hit in 396 out of the 1000 hands" does that mean:
a) your two cards (folded or not) made a pair, two pair or trips on the flop?
b) amongst the players who did not fold, one or more player made a pair, two pair or trips on the flop?
c) at least one of the players who did not fold were dealt a pair for their hole cards in 396 out of the 1000 hands?

When you say: "in situations with an overpair vs two undercards, the two undercards won 177 times out of the 410 hands I recorded," what does that mean?
a) Were these situations always two players that stayed after the flop -one with a high pair, and the other with two unpaired lower cards?
b) OR, were these situations in which two players (or more?) went to showdown, and a player with lower unpaired cards beat a player with an "overpair" 177 out of 410 times?
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