spr1000
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:27:39 PM permalink
A pro player once told me, "The Bellagio poker room is like shooting fish in a barrel"
So last night I buy into a 1/3 NL cash game.$300 behind. Action is moderate. My 10th hand I get dealt QQ in the small blind. I raise $20 pre flop with 5 players in the hand. All fold except the big blind. Big blind re raises to $120! Mind you that we're heads up now and this player just sat down. I'm surely putting this guy on AA or KK,and assuming he just wants to get it in pre flop. His stack was about $250.I said out loud " It's my birthday,(which it was) I'm feeling lucky, so let's do this and shoved the rest of my stack.The facial expression on his face went sour but he was priced in so he made the call. The board comes Jd 3h 2d 8c 10s. After the river I'm just anticipating to see the bullets. What happens next shocked me. He turns over 7 4 suited-spades! I'm baffled,because not only did he show his cards as if he had me beat but when I show him my queens,he has the nerve to say."why did you call my raise?" The whole table shook their heads in disbelief. I've dealt with crazy bluffs in my time but this was one for the books!
LoneStarHorse
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:33:49 PM permalink
Your story isn't believable because when you're heads up with anyone you both show your cards.... So you would have known what he had before the flop
rsactuary
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:40:35 PM permalink
Quote: LoneStarHorse

Your story isn't believable because when you're heads up with anyone you both show your cards.... So you would have known what he had before the flop



tournament play only
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:40:50 PM permalink
Quote: LoneStarHorse

Your story isn't believable because when you're heads up with anyone you both show your cards.... So you would have known what he had before the flop



Showing hands is only required in tournaments. Cash game players can muck at any time face down, but have to show both to win.
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:40:59 PM permalink
Quote: LoneStarHorse

Your story isn't believable because when you're heads up with anyone you both show your cards.... So you would have known what he had before the flop


In tournaments you have to flip your cards when all in. In 98% of casinos when playing a cash game you do not have to flip your hand when all in before the river.

Edit: Damn Aye you beat me to the post button :)
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LoneStarHorse
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:43:20 PM permalink
Not tournament play only sir, not sure where you're playing. But most cash games when you're heads up both players turn their cards over prior to the flop.

In Atlantic City,Indiana,Ohio,La,Biloxi,Tunica you must turn your cards over
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:46:05 PM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

...Edit: Damn Aye you beat me to the post button :)

hehe and RS was faster than us both.


Bluffing is a big part of the game, but the dumb move was calling your all in. The Bellagio is a no nonsense game. No bad beat jackpot nor high hand rakes. Just poker. Lots of big bankrolls. I enjoyed the story, and hope the OP did well after his nice start.
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:51:46 PM permalink
Quote: LoneStarHorse

Not tournament play only sir, not sure where you're playing. But most cash games when you're heads up both players turn their cards over prior to the flop.

In Atlantic City,Indiana,Ohio,La,Biloxi,Tunica you must turn your cards over


This is incorrect, players might choose to turn over cards but like I said 98% of places it is not mandatory. I have played poker in almost every state or province in the states and Canada. Outside of Manitoba and Saskatchewan in Canada I can't off the top of my head think of another place that has a mandatory flip your cards over when all in. Vegas is 100% not mandatory. This is also a standard rule around the world as far as my travels have taken me.
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:57:56 PM permalink
Poker Grinder

I just finished a week long trip from Harrahs New Orleans to Beau Rivage,Biloxi and while playing a 2/5 cash games when two players are heads up you both had to show your cards. I talked to the Floor Supervisor and he said those are the rules.





Quote: PokerGrinder

This is incorrect, players might choose to turn over cards but like I said 98% of places it is not mandatory. I have played poker in almost every state or province in the states and Canada. Outside of Manitoba and Saskatchewan in Canada I can't off the top of my head think of another place that has a mandatory flip your cards over when all in. Vegas is 100% not mandatory. This is also a standard rule around the world as far as my travels have taken me.

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May 10th, 2016 at 2:08:18 PM permalink
I tuned into 'a fishy tale'.
No fishing.... Just Poker.
And then a disagreement over what the rules are generally here and there.
No doubt you can work it out and everyone walks away knowing they were right ...

We needs us a fishy thread, this one isn't it ;-)
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May 10th, 2016 at 2:29:47 PM permalink
Quote: LoneStarHorse

Not tournament play only sir, not sure where you're playing. But most cash games when you're heads up both players turn their cards over prior to the flop.

In Atlantic City,Indiana,Ohio,La,Biloxi,Tunica you must turn your cards over

I can personally verify a couple of these are incorrect. In cash games you "may" turn your hands over once all in, but places do not require it. Most players hold their cards face down that way they can muck if they lose and not even show.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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May 10th, 2016 at 2:44:34 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

I can personally verify a couple of these are incorrect. In cash games you "may" turn your hands over once all in, but places do not require it. Most players hold their cards face down that way they can muck if they lose and not even show.


I tried to say that as I have played in most of those places. Floor supervisors quite often in random casinos can be quite oblivious to the proper rules. Outside of Vegas the poker bosses are hit or miss.
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May 10th, 2016 at 3:15:17 PM permalink
Quote: LoneStarHorse

Not tournament play only sir, not sure where you're playing. But most cash games when you're heads up both players turn their cards over prior to the flop.

In Atlantic City,Indiana,Ohio,La,Biloxi,Tunica you must turn your cards over


That's not "most" places.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
spr1000
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May 10th, 2016 at 3:21:06 PM permalink
Wrong! I play cash games in Vegas 3 times a week. The only rule is,I was supposed to show my cards first because I was the aggressor, I went all in.The other player showed his cards first maybe out stupidity or a possible strategy to catch more action when he really has made hand. Or maybe he thought I was playing 7 2. Lol. I've seen heads up where the aggressor shoves on the river,gets called and then instantly mucks. I wouldn't make up a story like this. With a mix of tourist and grinders you witness and experience a lot of crazy shit out here.
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May 10th, 2016 at 3:23:22 PM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

I tuned into 'a fishy tale'.
No fishing.... Just Poker.
And then a disagreement over what the rules are generally here and there.
No doubt you can work it out and everyone walks away knowing they were right ...

We needs us a fishy thread, this one isn't it ;-)



Maybe I should rename the title "a donkey tale"
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May 10th, 2016 at 3:24:56 PM permalink
If he was dumb enough to show then maybe dumb enough to know he could muck.
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May 10th, 2016 at 3:26:25 PM permalink
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We needs us a fishy thread, this one isn't it ;-)



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May 10th, 2016 at 4:05:36 PM permalink
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You're welcome to come play at DT

I hear they play too nice over there.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
TwoFeathersATL
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May 10th, 2016 at 4:28:24 PM permalink
Quote: Face

You're welcome to come play at DT

Do you have any idea whatsoever how hard it is for me to keep my stories/lies congruent just on these forums ;-?

Prolly best for DT, and for me, not to dig a bigger hole over at DT.
'twas a nice invite though... Just the Feathered One.....
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May 10th, 2016 at 6:30:26 PM permalink
I assure you if this happens in Pokerstars he would have flopped trip 4's
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May 10th, 2016 at 6:35:04 PM permalink
Quote: andysif

I assure you if this happens in Pokerstars he would have flopped trip 4's


No....Quads!
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May 12th, 2016 at 7:44:48 AM permalink
Quote: LoneStarHorse

In Atlantic City,Indiana,Ohio,La,Biloxi,Tunica you must turn your cards over



Not true in Atlantic City, or at least not typically true in Atlantic City. I haven't been to every single place. I guess there may be exceptions or possibly dealers or floors who don't handle this correctly.

This thread should be renamed "Is it mandatory to show cards in a cash game?" :)
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July 17th, 2016 at 7:55:19 AM permalink
The story could work if he said it out of order or they were both almost all in and he simply misspoke. The end of hand card reveal does sound odd, but people play crap hands all the time because they saw WSOP on tv and tournament players can't wait for top hands to play it. Doyle Brunson claims his favorite hand is suited connectors like 56s, but I'd take AA over that anyday. The only benefit to suited connectors is when it makes a straight or flush, it's not as obvious and a pair might think you're bluffing, even all in. So 74s could be a covert win and could make a straight or flush, but it's nothing in a preflop showdown. I blame TV.
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July 17th, 2016 at 1:55:32 PM permalink
You only have to show your cards in a tournament,if both players are all in before the flop.Not in a cash game.
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July 17th, 2016 at 3:40:02 PM permalink
I've always known for you to be able to muck or not show after a all in call cash game. Tournament play....flip m over!
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January 24th, 2019 at 5:47:35 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

I tuned into 'a fishy tale'.
No fishing.... Just Poker.
And then a disagreement over what the rules are generally here and there.
No doubt you can work it out and everyone walks away knowing they were right ...

We needs us a fishy thread, this one isn't it ;-)



It can be referred to as a "fishy" tale.

Fish. Noun. An inexperienced or unskilled player, especially such a player who loses significant amounts of money; live one.

This can describe the person in the original poster's story who went all in preflop with 7-4 suited.

After all, OP did say a pro player once said, "The Bellagio poker room is like shooting fish in a barrel."
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January 24th, 2019 at 9:27:17 AM permalink
You couldn't quite make it 3 years without pulling the trigger on that post eh?
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January 24th, 2019 at 10:16:48 AM permalink
Quote: andysif

I assure you if this happens in Pokerstars he would have flopped trip 4's




Nah, some would have said if he flopped 5s 6s 8s!
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