mickeycrimm
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December 30th, 2014 at 7:46:29 AM permalink
Perhaps some of you may remember Tony Bigcharles. He posted about 15 months ago in the Gritty Western Casino thread about being a homeless poker player, playing on a $1700 bankroll. Well at last count his bankroll is at $13,000, he just left Las Vegas and is playing on the east coast.

He's at Delaware Park right now but planning to make his exit. He reported in his blog that there are VBJ machines there and one bank has good rules, 6 decks with 2/3's penetration with $5 to $100 bettting. Do you BJ players think this is an exploitable game?

http://sevencard2003.blogspot.com
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sabre
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December 30th, 2014 at 8:03:21 AM permalink
My take Re: VBJ. Casinos are ultra paranoid about counters. Why would they allow a countable machine on the floor?

I would want some solid evidence that the machine actually represents a 6 deck shoe with 2/3rd pen. Just saying so on a help screen or on the machine's outer shell isn't good enough for me. I'd want one of the following:

1) Cite a Nevada state law showing that the manufacturer/casino is liable for penalties if the shuffle point stated isn't accurately reflected by the game.
2) PAR sheet for the machine
3) Statistical analysis of observed data. Show that there is a correlation from round to round, that prior cards dealt affect the chances of future cards. The running count of any given round should tend to move in the opposite direction from the previous round if the machine doesn't shuffle every round.


Of course promotions can make VBJ attractive. However, the trend is for casinos to restrict or eliminate VBJ from slot related promotions.
mickeycrimm
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December 30th, 2014 at 8:05:26 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

My take Re: VBJ. Casinos are ultra paranoid about counters. Why would they allow a countable machine on the floor?

I would want some solid evidence that the machine actually represents a 6 deck shoe with 2/3rd pen. Just saying so on a help screen or on the machine's outer shell isn't good enough for me. I'd want one of the following:

1) Cite a Nevada state law showing that the manufacturer/casino is liable for penalties if the shuffle point stated isn't accurately reflected by the game.
2) PAR sheet for the machine
3) Statistical analysis of observed data. Show that there is a correlation from round to round, that prior cards dealt affect the chances of future cards. The running count of any given round should tend to move in the opposite direction from the previous round if the machine doesn't shuffle every round.


Of course promotions can make VBJ attractive. However, the trend is for casinos to restrict or eliminate VBJ from slot related promotions.



These machines have been exploited well enough in the past.
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sabre
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December 30th, 2014 at 8:13:48 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

These machines have been exploited well enough in the past.



What does the past have to do with the now? A firmware update changing from a shuffle point to shuffling each round could be done in minutes leaving no indication of the change to the user. Using past results as evidence that the shuffle point is accurate is pretty risky.
mickeycrimm
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December 30th, 2014 at 8:17:41 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

What does the past have to do with the now? A firmware update changing from a shuffle point to shuffling each round could be done in minutes leaving no indication of the change to the user. Using past results as evidence that the shuffle point is accurate is pretty risky.



It might not be your cup of tea but I guarantee you there are lurkers here who are going to check the game out.
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RS
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December 31st, 2014 at 3:47:23 AM permalink
Spreading 5-100 on a 66% 6decker? Those better be some damn good rules and ability to get in a huge amount of HPH.
teddys
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December 31st, 2014 at 10:31:25 AM permalink
I remember him. I ran into him at the Gold Strike in Jean where he was holed up trying to beat the Aruze Dealer's Angels machine. He did not have a car and could not get groceries since there is no grocery store in Jean. He was living off of comps on the card. He is not as a good a writer as Mickey ;)
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