playing a hand blind
Problem with that though it PLO is such a streaky game with so many hard luck river stories, depending on who you play with.
If you say the guy you played against was a decent player, I probably wouldn't have raised blind on every street simply because I needed to light a fire under my ass. Remember he may just have been gambling along with you.........
Did you win the hand?
Quote: TomspurIn my opinion there are better ways to force yourself to be more aggressive than raising blind on every street. I would start off by being more aggressive pre flop, letting them come to you if they have a starting hand or if they simply are trying to push the players at the game around.
Problem with that though it PLO is such a streaky game with so many hard luck river stories, depending on who you play with.
If you say the guy you played against was a decent player, I probably wouldn't have raised blind on every street simply because I needed to light a fire under my ass. Remember he may just have been gambling along with you.........
Did you win the hand?
as it turned out I had A-J-2-8 with 3 hearts, he had ace high club draw and rivered the ace, my top 2 were good. I acted like a dork and told him I played blind. he didn't say a word and left the table shortly after that.
I refrained from answering pursuant to your request. While I consider myself roughly, "Mid-Level," in terms of ability to play poker, I am not a serious poker player, so pursuant to the last sentence of your OP, am not qualified to answer the question. Otherwise, I would have.
Better ways outt here of appearing on tilt but still control the action. For me, it is all about a measured pre flop raise. I know you don't have that option in PLO though.
In my game board texture is such an important part of what I do, I need to know what I have in order to know how I'm going to play.
That isn't possible when you play blind.
Perhaps take a dinner break, walk away from the game and be more aggressive when you return?
Quote: Mission146BDC42,
I refrained from answering pursuant to your request. While I consider myself roughly, "Mid-Level," in terms of ability to play poker, I am not a serious poker player, so pursuant to the last sentence of your OP, am not qualified to answer the question. Otherwise, I would have.
damn, I wasn't trying to sound like an elitist, please share..
Quote: TomspurSo he did exactly what you did hoping you were exactly what you appeared to be :)
Better ways outt here of appearing on tilt but still control the action. For me, it is all about a measured pre flop raise. I know you don't have that option in PLO though.
In my game board texture is such an important part of what I do, I need to know what I have in order to know how I'm going to play.
That isn't possible when you play blind.
Perhaps take a dinner break, walk away from the game and be more aggressive when you return?
my hope was he would fold the river and I could just muck...it was a little scary looking down and hoping I had something to show.... I stated with the line of "you are probably good, I didn't look at my hole cards yet". but to be honest I hoped he would fold at some point.
Quote: bdc42my hope was he would fold the river and I could just muck...it was a little scary looking down and hoping I had something to show.... I stated with the line of "you are probably good, I didn't look at my hole cards yet". but to be honest I hoped he would fold at some point.
Like I said that would have worked with a mid level player but with a guy with some experience he knew something was up and he though he was getting the right odds to call you down as he believed you had either tilted or was blind.....
Glad you won the hand though I wouldn't suggest such an aggressive play too often. If you lose you will want to jump a bridge, if you win too many of those, you will make many, many enemies :)
I think, when it works, the person doing it believes it to be a creative move, and when it doesn't work, the person should realize he is either playing bored and simply wants action or is on-tilt. In your case, I believe you were on-tilt because you were sick of having to fold to, "Scare cards," so you'd rather not know what you had, and thus, not feel compelled to fold.
Anyway, just get the notion of, "Scare cards," out of your head. There's simply mathematical probability combined with the way your opponent has played previous hands in substantially similar situations, and most importantly, the type of hands your opponent has shown when forced to show down. You don't see too much bluffing at a Limit Table, which is mainly what I have played for cash, but in tournaments, I've played with guys who have bluffed on virtually every scare card for any pot consisting of more than just the Ante+Blinds when the player being bluffed has shown any kind of weakness.
Every. Single. Time.
Getting bullied is really no excuse (and I mean you no offense) to get foolish and play it to the River in a cash game. Although, that having been said, I once saw a program where Gus Hansen played an entire round of heads-up in the dark going all-in every hand because he started off way understacked due to the formatting of the tournament, so what do I know?
Honestly, as a professional, he probably didn't care one way or another that you played blind and there are many players who are too busy looking at their cards to look at you looking at your cards and would not have even noticed. I tend to look at people when they look at their cards, best I can see everyone, but not everybody does that. Only really weak players betray monster hole cards, but sometimes, you're sitting with a really weak player, so it's worth watching!
Just have a few shots before you play.Quote: bdc42I'm writing my little hand here with the attempt to see if anyone else tries this occasionally; I'm playing PLO 5-5 with a $500 cap max bet... its short handed 5 people and I'm on the button. everyone has over $1500. I've been winning for a while but have lost for the last hour + and have seen my chips go from $2200 ish to about $1500 and have been "bullied" a lot. the players are calling, then "potting" when a scare card drops. this is happening to me a lot and I have to fold with 2pr vs Flush possibility and hands like that. so I get the button and decided I'm going to just shove this hand through and bet and max raise on all streets. the pre flop bet was $40 to go 3 ways, 9-9-J with 2 clubs, guy bets $80 (he's a WPT winner and a very decent player), I raise to $150 (still blind)...one guy folds WPT calls... .he checks turn I fire $200, he calls (6 of hearts turned).. .river is Ace of spades, he checks I fire $380, he calls. I was wondering if anyone else plays hands in the dark occasionally to force themselves to e more aggressive and not be intimidated by scare cards? I would appreciate hearing from any mid level or higher serious poker players. thanks
Quote: Mission146No problem!
I think, when it works, the person doing it believes it to be a creative move, and when it doesn't work, the person should realize he is either playing bored and simply wants action or is on-tilt. In your case, I believe you were on-tilt because you were sick of having to fold to, "Scare cards," so you'd rather not know what you had, and thus, not feel compelled to fold.
Anyway, just get the notion of, "Scare cards," out of your head. There's simply mathematical probability combined with the way your opponent has played previous hands in substantially similar situations, and most importantly, the type of hands your opponent has shown when forced to show down. You don't see too much bluffing at a Limit Table, which is mainly what I have played for cash, but in tournaments, I've played with guys who have bluffed on virtually every scare card for any pot consisting of more than just the Ante+Blinds when the player being bluffed has shown any kind of weakness.
Every. Single. Time.
Getting bullied is really no excuse (and I mean you no offense) to get foolish and play it to the River in a cash game. Although, that having been said, I once saw a program where Gus Hansen played an entire round of heads-up in the dark going all-in every hand because he started off way understacked due to the formatting of the tournament, so what do I know?
Honestly, as a professional, he probably didn't care one way or another that you played blind and there are many players who are too busy looking at their cards to look at you looking at your cards and would not have even noticed. I tend to look at people when they look at their cards, best I can see everyone, but not everybody does that. Only really weak players betray monster hole cards, but sometimes, you're sitting with a really weak player, so it's worth watching!
thanks, when I try this play I always pretend to look, just in case. but your reasoning is sound. I agree it was a definite tilt thing, I think. I use this in hold em much more frequently, but in all honesty it shouldn't matter if I look or not, if I'm gonna just push push push...
my last vegas trip, I won a mid level tourney for about 6k at the Orleans and then had some long island ice teas and played 5-10 nl at the Wynn...I'm sure my play suffered, but I was much more aggressive and took a beating cutting my win in half from the tourney... .then I went and built it back sober at the Bellagio.... went out with the wife the next night got lit up on L.I.T's and had the same crushing...Quote: AxelWolfJust have a few shots before you play.
Quote: FleaStiffI ain't even a LOW level poker player, but I do know there is a difference between playing blind and ANNOUNCING that you are playing blind.
I didn't announce it until showdown.
Player tried to protest but Dealer said. Every card he showed he showed to everyone at the table; every word he said, was heard by everyone at the table. There is no rule against speaking the truth in poker or giving other players good advice.
16 minutes and you're complaining? A little impatient there...Quote: bdc42I guess this forum doesn't deal much in poker
For what it's worth, I think it can be harder to play against a blind player, but only if you know he's playing blind. It sounds like the other players didn't realize you were playing blind.
Quote: DJTeddyBear16 minutes and you're complaining? A little impatient there...
I noticed that as well--I suppose modern life now demands instant everything
Yeah, I wasn't going to say anything, but there were only six Members logged on at the time of the OP!
edit: sorry that I wasn't online at 4am EST to answer in a more timely manner;-)
Quote: hook3670My question is with a killer opening hand, how do you bet enough to make some money but not low enough to keep all looking for the flop around and not so much everyone folds? For example, had pocket aces and bet small two guys called. Flop 95A. I bet medium and one guy called then 5 and I went all in so did the other guy. he had pocket 59 for a full house and beat my two pair when clearly I had pocket aces and he had 95 and I should have crushed him!
It sounds like....
Hebeatyouraces
Quote: hook3670My question is with a killer opening hand, how do you bet enough to make some money but not low enough to keep all looking for the flop around and not so much everyone folds? For example, had pocket aces and bet small two guys called. Flop 95A. I bet medium and one guy called then 5 and I went all in so did the other guy. he had pocket 59 for a full house and beat my two pair when clearly I had pocket aces and he had 95 and I should have crushed him!
It all depends on position. Were you on the button, cut off, somewhere else or udner the gun?
Was it tournament play or was it cash?
Is the game loose or tight?
These three questions will make all the difference to the way I answer.
Just as a general rule I would bet at least 3 times the big blind.....
And not to be pedantic here but if you had pocket aces, flop came 95A, the turn came 5, you would have had ACES full of fives, which would mean a win for you....
Perhaps you had the hand wrong?
Quote: bdc42I'm writing my little hand here with the attempt to see if anyone else tries this occasionally; I'm playing PLO 5-5 with a $500 cap max bet... its short handed 5 people and I'm on the button. everyone has over $1500. I've been winning for a while but have lost for the last hour + and have seen my chips go from $2200 ish to about $1500 and have been "bullied" a lot. the players are calling, then "potting" when a scare card drops. this is happening to me a lot and I have to fold with 2pr vs Flush possibility and hands like that. so I get the button and decided I'm going to just shove this hand through and bet and max raise on all streets. the pre flop bet was $40 to go 3 ways, 9-9-J with 2 clubs, guy bets $80 (he's a WPT winner and a very decent player), I raise to $150 (still blind)...one guy folds WPT calls... .he checks turn I fire $200, he calls (6 of hearts turned).. .river is Ace of spades, he checks I fire $380, he calls. I was wondering if anyone else plays hands in the dark occasionally to force themselves to e more aggressive and not be intimidated by scare cards? I would appreciate hearing from any mid level or higher serious poker players. thanks
Up 2 buy-ins in a high variance game...and complaining. I'd start there.
