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December 14th, 2013 at 6:22:33 AM permalink
Here is a general question for everyone. How old were you when you learned to play poker? And what version did you learn to play first?

I ask because it happened again last night. I was dealing poker at a party and the same thing usually happens. 1-2 people see poker and stop by before we even open the tables. They cannot wait to play. Poker seems to be "down" right now so there are never enough other players to let them really enjoy themselves.

Then another kind of player shows up, they don't even know what the game is about! Half the time they don't even know the rank of hands. Nothing. This is hard because of two things. One is I can teach a game, or I can deal a straight game, but by the nature of poker to mix the two is hard. If it is a loud room as it was last night I really can't teach well as nobody can hear over the music. Oh well, enough venting.

But what amazes me is how many people get to adulthood and never learned the game of poker. They often know other card games which makes it even harder to fathom what with poker such a classic, social game here in the USA.

So, how old were you when you learned to play; what version did you learn first; and how did you learn?

As to me I remember asking my grandfather how it was played at about age 9-10 afters seeing it played on some movie or TV Show. He started teaching my younger brother and I the basics of play and the family would play for pennies which my grandparents provided and we usually got to keep. Except they made us color-up any wheat pennies to other coins, for some reason they hoarded wheat pennies.

I didn't learn how to bluff or any other skills to gamble with. But I learned how to play 5 card draw.

What age were the rest of you and how did you learn?
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December 14th, 2013 at 6:25:31 AM permalink
I know the gist of it but I never really learned. Probably early teens. I'm waiting for someone to bring up strip poker.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:15:29 AM permalink
I taught my nephew how to play Hold'em at age 12 and he started playing online at 13. He did well for a few years and got up to 1-2 NL, $50 HU-NL tourneys and some sit n goes. He was up approximately 12k in 3 years, but as he got older, his ego got bigger and started watching to much TV poker, He gave 6k back. luckily girls and driving became more important and he just kind of stopped.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:29:00 AM permalink
I don't know exactly, but my rough guess is about 10. Here is a picture of me playing with my brother. I'm the one wearing the visor.



I recall playing a lot of poker at that age. This is going back about 40 years, but I recall I mainly played five-card draw and seven-card stud. In my teenage years my circle of friends played a lot of games like baseball, follow the queen, Indian poker, and silly games like that.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:36:32 AM permalink
I would have learned to play before 10 not sure of exact age. First game learned was draw poker with 1 draw, maximum 4 cards. My dad had a set of poker chips so I learned to play using chips. When we were in at our very rustic cabin in the summer with would play with kernels of popcorn, winner had to turn them into popcorn on the wood stove which took a lot of shaking to keep them from being burnt.

The first real money game I remember was when I was about 15 playing with my older brother and his friends. I cashed a $60 pay cheque from my part time job and was down most of it by the end of the night. Talked them into playing a game of hearts to end the night since it was dealers choice. Took control to end the game and won most of my money back.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:38:40 AM permalink
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Wizard, was this pic from around the early-mid 70's? I ask only because I haven't seen one of those visors since then. (And yes, I had one myself!) :D
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:53:26 AM permalink
I was at least 20. I'd never considered poker until I watched Rounders. I think I was in my mid-20's before I actually sat down and learned how to play. I came across Andy Bellin's book, Poker Nation, which had, among the interesting stories, a basic explanation of pot odds.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:58:39 AM permalink
1st card games I learned were hearts and gin rummy.. hearts was our family game and paid winner a nickle per point
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December 14th, 2013 at 8:10:34 AM permalink
I learned as a kid in the 60's and 70's. 5 card draw. I never got the full sequence of what-beats-what, but I knew it started with one pair, two pair, three of a kind. Anything better than that, and I'll raise, never fold. If need be, consult the list of ranks after the betting is done.

I kinda gave it up, but got very interested watching poker on TV. I believe it was several months before Chris Moneymaker became a poker household name. I continued to watch for a year or so. Then my wife and I went to dinner and saw a flyer for poker night at that restaurant. In December 2006 became members of that league. It's a deal your own situation. Prior to that day, I was the type of person who would cut the deck then hold the cards vertically and kinda jam the cards together to shuffle. Knowing that wouldn't fly with these poker people, I picked up the cards and attempted to shuffle normally. The slight padding of the poker table was enough to give me whatever it was that I needed to do a proper shuffle.

Now I'm a dealer in a different league - one where there is a dedicated dealer at each table. And I'm known as the rules guru. Go figure.



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... I'm the one wearing the visor.

Why am I not surprised?

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Wizard, was this pic from around the early-mid 70's? I ask only because I haven't seen one of those visors since then. (And yes, I had one myself!) :D

They're for sale at the Gambler's General Store, on Main Street, about 3/4 mile south of Fremont.
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December 14th, 2013 at 8:34:30 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Wizard, was this pic from around the early-mid 70's? I ask only because I haven't seen one of those visors since then. (And yes, I had one myself!) :D



I'd say early or late 70's. Probably around 77 or 78.
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December 14th, 2013 at 8:46:41 AM permalink
I'm pretty sure I was either a barely-teen or, just as likely, pre-teen. I've never played as much as I want to, this is true even now.
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December 14th, 2013 at 9:07:20 AM permalink
I vaguely knew hand ranks like dj was saying... 1 pair, 2 pair, etc... But I had no idea how to actually play teaxs hold em until I was 19. In around may 2002, in arizona, I had hit a $10k slot jackpot as a high school senior at the local tribal casino. For the next few months I'd gamble more with friends but I always lost. I got sick of losing all the time so I decided to go play THE. Sat down with $60 bucks and won that session. Dealer had to remind me about the rules often, but after about 2 rounds I picked it up. I kept winning with no real strategy other than always play the hand if I had a face card. Q-2 off suit? Play it. I did alright for myself, but then Arizona changed the gambling laws to 21 and over to play. The people who had been already 18 and gambling before we're not grandfathered in. so that ended that.

Probably like 4 or 5 months later I started watching poker on espn and figured out I could play party poker. Almost all of my friends were playing online now too. I didn't do so well for myself this time around. No fanancial ruin story here but I definitely lost a couple thousand. Between party poker and full tilt over the next 3 years

I decided to uninstall Full tilt in like 2006 after I hadn't played it in months. I checked my balance and had $2. I joined a multi person $1 tournament and took 2nd. Paid like $80. I started playing .25/.50 nl and ran it up to $400 in 2 days. I ended up transferring the money to another friend for cash so I didn't have to deal with cashing out through the site. I don't think I ever played again after that and haven't played online in at least 6 years

Now if I feel like playing I just go to Casino Arizona talking stick who has a great room.
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December 14th, 2013 at 9:20:55 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Here is a general question for everyone. How old were you when you learned to play poker? And what version did you learn to play first?

Never learned at all. Did learn how to do the bidding at Bridge but I only played Dummy. That was probably age 8 0r 9.

Have exact opposite of poker face, so I'd be no good at it anyway.
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December 14th, 2013 at 9:33:23 AM permalink
Never played in a game until after the moneymaker boom. First time playing other people was with grad students at Illinois. I got hooked quick. 7 years later i would be a supernova on pokerstars when black Friday hit. I am up a bit overall, but nothing worth talking about.

What's annoying is that i fell in love with lowball games in my online days. No one really plays those anymore. Most people my age think that poker is only Texas holdem.
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December 14th, 2013 at 10:48:56 AM permalink
I would guess I was 10-12. By 15 I was playing in a regular weekly game with friends and some of their parents. 5 card draw was the main game but we also played 7-stud and the carnival games (baseball, night baseball, indian, between the sheets, etc)
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December 14th, 2013 at 3:43:25 PM permalink
Six years old, five-card draw, deuces wild, my father taught me.
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December 14th, 2013 at 5:05:46 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would guess I was 10-12. By 15 I was playing in a regular weekly game with friends and some of their parents. 5 card draw was the main game but we also played 7-stud and the carnival games (baseball, night baseball, indian, between the sheets, etc)

This answer could have come from me as well.
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December 14th, 2013 at 6:03:18 PM permalink
Blackjack at about 5 or 6, draw poker around 8 (my mother always dealt one-eyed jacks and deuces wild), 7 card stud a little later. Started playing canasta with Grandma at about 5, cribbage with Grandpa or Dad around 7, war/gofish/crazy8's/casino (look it up in Hoyle) with bro's and sis around that time too. Didn't really have a family poker night until our 20's. Family played a lot of s*&t on your neighbor (what's now called Uno), whist, and pinochle, all elementary/junior high age.

By the way, did anyone else have a house rule that you could only draw 3, except four with a bullet (and you had to expose it)?

What is the perfect low in your lowball party poker games, 6-4 or 5-4? Just curious; running family discussion even now.
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December 14th, 2013 at 6:11:10 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

By the way, did anyone else have a house rule that you could only draw 3, except four with a bullet (and you had to expose it)? What is the perfect low in your lowball party poker games, 6-4 or 5-4? Just curious; running family discussion even now.



Not us. My friends and I always allowed any player to draw as many as five cards, if they wanted.

We almost always played lowball with the wheel (A-5) being the best low hand. Oh sure, now and then someone would get cute and announce that for this next hand straights and flushes hurt you, meaning 6-4 was now best, but that was rare.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:09:02 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs



By the way, did anyone else have a house rule that you could only draw 3, except four with a bullet (and you had to expose it)?

What is the perfect low in your lowball party poker games, 6-4 or 5-4? Just curious; running family discussion even now.



That's correct, three cards unless you had an Ace (or Wild) and wanted to show it, then you could draw four or five.

6-4 was our lowball hand, A-5 is still a Wheel straight.

Best Low-Ball Bluff Ever

Three friends and I were playing Five-Card Draw Lowball in college, and I had the misfortune of being dealt 4-4-4-4-K, so the, "Best," I could do was keep the King-Four then a Pair. Instead, I decided just to toss the King and it was replaced with a seven. I was the last to act and the first two to act folded:

Player Three: $5.00 if you want to see my hand.

Mission146: $127.

Player Three: You can't do that!!! You don't even have that much in front of you!

Mission146: (Reaching for wallet) Let's see, I've got $22 in chips, there's a C-Note, there's a five, okay that's $127 in front of me, are you happy now?

Player Three: You can't bet more than you have in chips!!!

Mission146: Who made that rule? Why did nobody tell me the rules? Just because nobody has done it doesn't mean I can't do it. I tell you what I am going to do, I'm going to let you have the chance to make an informed decision, I'm going to turn over this 7 I drew and tell you that it's going to take A-2-3-4-6 to beat me, nothing else will do, A-2-3-4-7 to chop the pot, your move.

Player Three: Forget that, I fold, from now on Maximum Buy-in is $25 and you can't bet more than you have in chips.

Mission146: I have a bet for you, Even Money, if you blindly pull a card out of my hand it will be a four.

Player Three: How much?

Mission146: Ten bucks.

Player Three: Three cards are not a four.

Mission146: I suppose three cards are not a four if I held A-2-3-4, that's very true.

Player Three: It's a bet. Son of a bitch, a four!

Mission146: I bet if you blindly pull out another card, it will be a four, I'll lay $1,000,000 against your three cents.

Player Three: You bastard!!!

Mission146: Nah, they got married just in time.

***Of course, I didn't take the $10 on the pull out a four bet. I definitely raked that pot home, though. I don't care what anyone says, only four-of-a-kind I have been initially dealt with live cards, and I absolutely was not going to fold it!
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December 14th, 2013 at 8:04:45 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

That's correct, three cards unless you had an Ace (or Wild) and wanted to show it, then you could draw four or five.

6-4 was our lowball hand, A-5 is still a Wheel straight.

Best Low-Ball Bluff Ever

Three friends and I were playing Five-Card Draw Lowball in college, and I had the misfortune of being dealt 4-4-4-4-K, so the, "Best," I could do was keep the King-Four then a Pair. Instead, I decided just to toss the King and it was replaced with a seven. I was the last to act and the first two to act folded:

Player Three: $5.00 if you want to see my hand.

Mission146: $127.

Player Three: You can't do that!!! You don't even have that much in front of you!

Mission146: (Reaching for wallet) Let's see, I've got $22 in chips, there's a C-Note, there's a five, okay that's $127 in front of me, are you happy now?

Player Three: You can't bet more than you have in chips!!!

Mission146: Who made that rule? Why did nobody tell me the rules? Just because nobody has done it doesn't mean I can't do it. I tell you what I am going to do, I'm going to let you have the chance to make an informed decision, I'm going to turn over this 7 I drew and tell you that it's going to take A-2-3-4-6 to beat me, nothing else will do, A-2-3-4-7 to chop the pot, your move.

Player Three: Forget that, I fold, from now on Maximum Buy-in is $25 and you can't bet more than you have in chips.

Mission146: I have a bet for you, Even Money, if you blindly pull a card out of my hand it will be a four.

Player Three: How much?

Mission146: Ten bucks.

Player Three: Three cards are not a four.

Mission146: I suppose three cards are not a four if I held A-2-3-4, that's very true.

Player Three: It's a bet. Son of a bitch, a four!

Mission146: I bet if you blindly pull out another card, it will be a four, I'll lay $1,000,000 against your three cents.

Player Three: You bastard!!!

Mission146: Nah, they got married just in time.

***Of course, I didn't take the $10 on the pull out a four bet. I definitely raked that pot home, though. I don't care what anyone says, only four-of-a-kind I have been initially dealt with live cards, and I absolutely was not going to fold it!



That's a great story, Mission! Good thing you were with friends; sounds like the kind of game where someone might slap a knife on the table otherwise!
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December 14th, 2013 at 8:19:53 PM permalink
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That's a great story, Mission! Good thing you were with friends; sounds like the kind of game where someone might slap a knife on the table otherwise!



Thanks, there was one player in our circle with whom I'd never have pulled that stunt.

I'll be honest with you, in private I asked him if he would have called the Raise of $17 based on my $22 and chips, and he said he still would have folded with Nine-High. He said he would have pushed the issue of me pulling cash out if he'd have called for $17 more. If he'd have said he'd have made the call, then I'd have given him the amount of that pot, but would have told him not to tell anyone.
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December 14th, 2013 at 8:58:28 PM permalink
in the mid 60's, I'd be 10 or 11, we played follow the queen.
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December 14th, 2013 at 10:31:07 PM permalink
I had a best friend back in 3rd grade or so and his mom was a huge gambler. Well huge in the terms that she named one of her sons Reno and went to Las Vegas once a year. She must have taught him how to play blackjack and poker. We used to play Magic the gathering a lot and that started my curious insight into playing cards.

His mom and dad were Chinese so they also played mahjong with their friends when I would stay over. I grew my magic card collection pretty big and we all played for fun until high school. Haven't played cards but moved on to video games until after high school. My friends and I would play NLHE but I had no idea how to play and kept drawing out on one friend who got royally pissed off. That was fun.
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December 15th, 2013 at 1:06:12 AM permalink
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We used to play Magic the gathering a lot .

Never Admit that, again. Pretend it was just like that one drunken night, you had with your best friend.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 15th, 2013 at 1:13:12 AM permalink
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By the way, did anyone else have a house rule that you could only draw 3, except four with a bullet (and you had to expose it)?


Yep, I played with that rule as a kid.
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December 15th, 2013 at 5:26:17 AM permalink
Learned it from my dad at age 9, during school break. Used to teach other adults at age 11, especially at my English courses...
That knowledge came along with blackjack. I remember being a kid and playing it with LEGO parts!
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December 15th, 2013 at 5:14:54 PM permalink
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Quote: Wizard


Wizard, was this pic from around the early-mid 70's? I ask only because I haven't seen one of those visors since then. (And yes, I had one myself!) :D



The dealers at Resorts AC used to (possibly still do) wear them.
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December 15th, 2013 at 10:49:44 PM permalink
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Never Admit that [playing MTG], again. Pretend it was just like that one drunken night, you had with your best friend.



Is it better or worse if you've made it to the Pro Tour (New Orleans '01) ??

I didn't learn to play poker until at least 20 and saw Rounders. I didn't really learn until I stumbled onto Andy Bellin's Poker Nation which had a basic explanation of pot odds.
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December 15th, 2013 at 11:19:13 PM permalink
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Never Admit that, again. Pretend it was just like that one drunken night, you had with your best friend.



I bet more people played MTG here then not. Also where else am I gonna be able to to say, "I tapped that (mana source)" without sounding stupid? :P
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December 15th, 2013 at 11:56:40 PM permalink
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I bet more people played MTG here then not. Also where else am I gonna be able to to say, "I tapped that (mana source)" without sounding stupid? :P



I'm also hoping it will motivate boring people to pre-filter themselves, sort of like Finkel's famous date:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gizmodo-mean-girl-bashes-okcupid-date-for-no-reason/
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December 16th, 2013 at 12:02:17 AM permalink
Quote: socks

I'm also hoping it will motivate boring people to pre-filter themselves, sort of like Finkel's famous date:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gizmodo-mean-girl-bashes-okcupid-date-for-no-reason/



Maybe I'm not in tune with young women today, but why is there a big thing about wanting to be "cool" or "socially hip"? Is it worth not having a personality of your own to be "cool"? It's weird that poker players don't have a stigmata of being a nerd, but the best ones are great at math and use their analytical side of their brains more then the creative. I never understood why it's a turn-off to have a passion or a hobby you care deeply about. Not everyone likes to read celebrity gossip and work on their tans.

PS. I have nerd rage :(
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December 16th, 2013 at 12:12:50 AM permalink
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Maybe I'm not in tune with young women today, but why is there a big thing about wanting to be "cool" or "socially hip"? Is it worth not having a personality of your own to be "cool"? It's weird that poker players don't have a stigmata of being a nerd, but the best ones are great at math and use their analytical side of their brains more then the creative. I never understood why it's a turn-off to have a passion or a hobby you care deeply about. Not everyone likes to read celebrity gossip and work on their tans.

PS. I have nerd rage :(


+1, especially about the women. What the hell? Who would want to marry that?
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December 16th, 2013 at 1:59:24 AM permalink
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I bet more people played MTG here then not. Also where else am I gonna be able to to say, "I tapped that (mana source)" without sounding stupid? :P

I doubt you could ever say that without sounding stupid. Life is not like, the big bang theory, no Kaley Cuoco for you.You will be stuck with Louie Anderson.

You can play poker and be an AP without being a nerd, If not fake it. You can be different, cool and interesting all at the same time, even while liking all the same things you normal like. Just be a closet nerd, while around attractive girls.

Don't listen to Beach on this one. I don't think she understands you're young and you probably want some action. Your collection of magic cards probably won't do it. Girls that like that stuff don't themselves like guys who do. Don't be yourself, if you want to get laid. Since you think girls are minus EV, who care if she dose not like you, for you? That's what buddy's and Friends are for.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 16th, 2013 at 11:09:43 AM permalink
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I doubt you could ever say that without sounding stupid. Life is not like, the big bang theory, no Kaley Cuoco for you.You will be stuck with Louie Anderson.

You can play poker and be an AP without being a nerd, If not fake it. You can be different, cool and interesting all at the same time, even while liking all the same things you normal like. Just be a closet nerd, while around attractive girls.

Don't listen to Beach on this one. I don't think she understands you're young and you probably want some action. Your collection of magic cards probably won't do it. Girls that like that stuff don't themselves like guys who do. Don't be yourself, if you want to get laid. Since you think girls are minus EV, who care if she dose not like you, for you? That's what buddy's and Friends are for.



Axel, can I ask how old you are?

I would have agreed with you when I was in my early-mid 20's. But, some time around my late 20's or early 30's (probably closer to early 30's) things changed. At some point around there, it becomes more important to be successful than to be "cool". Or maybe what is "cool" changes. In any case, I'm a geek (a math geek, at that). I don't hide it. I love video games (geeky RPGs, not "cool" games like COD and Madden). I also love board games (geeky strategy ones) and puzzles. Again, I don't hide any of this.

On the other hand, as a result of being a geek, I make really good money (let's just say that I'm in "the 1%" and leave it at that). I'm also not douchey about it. I don't flash my money around or try to impress people, but I'm not cheap either. I will take a girl to a nice restaurant and spend a few hundred dollars on dinner (the fact that I like good food helps, here... I'm enjoying it as much as she is). I'm honest, polite, and I treat people well. I have no trouble getting women. In fact it is just the opposite -- I meet so many attractive women and like so many of them that it's hard to decide when to "take the plunge" and get into a real relationship because I don't want to shut the other ones out.

The bottom line is, if you just want to get laid and never see the woman again, fine, show her what she wants to see and put on whatever act you want, if you think it's necessary. But if you're actually looking for a relationship (even a short-term one), drop the act. Pretending to be someone that you're not is a lot of work, and honestly is not worth it.

Alternative: if you have money, and you just want to get laid, just get a hooker. It's easier than putting on an act, no more expensive than buying dinner and drinks, and it will work every time. There are some people who find it immoral but I don't get that -- if you care about morality, it certainly seems more moral than pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending that you like someone, just to get laid. At least with the hooker everyone is being honest and getting exactly what they want out of the deal.
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December 16th, 2013 at 2:43:43 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I doubt you could ever say that without sounding stupid. Life is not like, the big bang theory, no Kaley Cuoco for you.You will be stuck with Louie Anderson.

You can play poker and be an AP without being a nerd, If not fake it. You can be different, cool and interesting all at the same time, even while liking all the same things you normal like. Just be a closet nerd, while around attractive girls.

Don't listen to Beach on this one. I don't think she understands you're young and you probably want some action. Your collection of magic cards probably won't do it. Girls that like that stuff don't themselves like guys who do. Don't be yourself, if you want to get laid. Since you think girls are minus EV, who care if she dose not like you, for you? That's what buddy's and Friends are for.



Axel's probably right, depending on what you want from a girl/woman. I don't do ditzy. But a lot of men like to...(pun intended).
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December 16th, 2013 at 5:46:32 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Your collection of magic cards probably won't do it.



That reminds me of 40 Year Old Virgin where the guy sells his toy collection and it ends up being worth $100s of thousands. I haven't sold all my cards yet but if I can get around to finding them at my mom's house I'm sure I'll be quite rich, or end up with a bunch of windshield wiper fluff. There was a magazine I used to buy called "Scrye" or "Scryed" I can't remember but it listed all the retail prices of rare cards, and the problem was the stores don't give you much, and it's hard to sell on craigslist or something like that because each card is used for different purposes for players.

I should have been playing for ante but I wasn't really good at it, but that's where the money is in taking expensive cards from other players.
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December 16th, 2013 at 8:11:43 PM permalink
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Not everyone likes to read celebrity gossip and work on their tans.


Precisely. I did not quite understand any of that Gizmodo Dating stuff but perhaps "techie" is too broad a term now and encompasses too much without further subdivisions.

Unusual interests and accomplishments define character. Anyone can read the national enquirer and do their nails. Its pretty shallow to think about such things and even more shallow to talk about it. Its much better to have real interests and do things such as join a gun club or take judo lessons or play Go or restore motorcycles. I have no desire to travel by freight train but its an increasingly popular hobby these days. I don't know if I'd like to meet a boxer or not, but its an increasingly popular activity for young women these days with bars and gyms offering boxing. I remember one Golden Gloves champion who was also a gambler. Three days after being knocked out in Madison Square Garden some guy came up to her and said "just give me the guy's address and I'll take care of him for you". She didn't bother to explain the situation, she just took his phone number and kept it in case of later need. Got to admire a woman with a quirky personality like that!

There is enough "oatmeal" and "jello" out there that someone who has real depth to their character is valued for it. Buy an old boat and sail to the tropics? Hitchhike across the nation? Visit dozens of communes? Study microbial geology? Work on an organic farm in New Zealand? Drive a camper van around Europe and then import it as a used vehicle? Brew your own beer, ale and wine? All these things will separate you from the crowd of bland trend-following types who overdose on nail polish fumes.

I spent quite some time trying to track a murder suspect through the developing world of Role Playing Games as they morphed into massively multiple networked games. It was a strange world and I didn't care for it, but I don't regret the time I devoted to the investigation. Tracking down archived chat sessions was a real challenge as was piercing the chat room veil to learn real identities. I've never met a more dedicated homicide team than two grand-motherly Church Ladies who made a perfect team following a suspected pervert to get his dna at the local mall.

So this video about some techie and some nerdy guy may be a bit strange but I suspect that those with depth to their character are usually the ones with much better character. She didn't care for his hobby... okay: shake hands with him and say goodnight, but don't blab him all over the internet as a weirdo.
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December 16th, 2013 at 11:28:34 PM permalink
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Axel, can I ask how old you are?

I would have agreed with you when I was in my early-mid 20's. But, some time around my late 20's or early 30's (probably closer to early 30's) things changed. At some point around there, it becomes more important to be successful than to be "cool". Or maybe what is "cool" changes. In any case, I'm a geek (a math geek, at that). I don't hide it. I love video games (geeky RPGs, not "cool" games like COD and Madden). I also love board games (geeky strategy ones) and puzzles. Again, I don't hide any of this.

On the other hand, as a result of being a geek, I make really good money (let's just say that I'm in "the 1%" and leave it at that). I'm also not douchey about it. I don't flash my money around or try to impress people, but I'm not cheap either. I will take a girl to a nice restaurant and spend a few hundred dollars on dinner (the fact that I like good food helps, here... I'm enjoying it as much as she is). I'm honest, polite, and I treat people well. I have no trouble getting women. In fact it is just the opposite -- I meet so many attractive women and like so many of them that it's hard to decide when to "take the plunge" and get into a real relationship because I don't want to shut the other ones out.

The bottom line is, if you just want to get laid and never see the woman again, fine, show her what she wants to see and put on whatever act you want, if you think it's necessary. But if you're actually looking for a relationship (even a short-term one), drop the act. Pretending to be someone that you're not is a lot of work, and honestly is not worth it.

Alternative: if you have money, and you just want to get laid, just get a hooker. It's easier than putting on an act, no more expensive than buying dinner and drinks, and it will work every time. There are some people who find it immoral but I don't get that -- if you care about morality, it certainly seems more moral than pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending that you like someone, just to get laid. At least with the hooker everyone is being honest and getting exactly what they want out of the deal.

I think you may have missed the fact I was telling Dj all of this. He is young, so my age is not important in this matter. Also I have a, 10 year younger beautiful girl friend, I have always dated out of my league. I'm well rounded I like everything from chess to beer pong. I just wouldn't lead with a chess conversation, when talking to some girl.

Dj has stated, he was not looking for a relationship and girls were -EV for many reasons. You don't have to put on a act, but you shouldn't be disclosing things like,"My mommy still picks out and buys me my clothing cheap", Even if his mom dose, and he said, she does.

Hookers? Bad advice, There is many reasons one should pass. There's something to be said for the thrill of the hunt and possible ego booster a man gets from getting a girl without having to pay for it. I rarely hear any of my buddy's say, WOW, I scored with this hooker last night, her hair was blond, here eyes were green(or was that the money in her eyes) and that cold sore was hot.

I don't really think, in Dj's heart, he thinks girls are complete -EV(we all know they have some drawbacks). Perhaps its just a way he just has given up on trying, due to the difficultly a self appointed nerd faces.
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December 17th, 2013 at 1:01:39 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Dj has stated, he was not looking for a relationship and girls were -EV for many reasons. ...

Hookers? Bad advice, There is many reasons one should pass. There's something to be said for the thrill of the hunt and possible ego booster a man gets from getting a girl without having to pay for it. I rarely hear any of my buddy's say, WOW, I scored with this hooker last night, her hair was blond, here eyes were green(or was that the money in her eyes) and that cold sore was hot.

I don't really think, in Dj's heart, he thinks girls are complete -EV(we all know they have some drawbacks). Perhaps its just a way he just has given up on trying, due to the difficultly a self appointed nerd faces.



I wonder if you're not interpreting Dj's comments correctly because you don't really share his motivations? Personally, without wanting to put words in his mouth, I second "girls are -EV", but I do so wanting to get my life somewhat in order so I can date with an eye toward's the future. This has taken a lot longer than I expected and I may have taken a different course if I'd known, but "thrill of the hunt" has never been motivation for me.
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December 17th, 2013 at 2:01:28 AM permalink
Quote: socks

I wonder if you're not interpreting Dj's comments correctly because you don't really share his motivations? Personally, without wanting to put words in his mouth, I second "girls are -EV", but I do so wanting to get my life somewhat in order so I can date with an eye toward's the future. This has taken a lot longer than I expected and I may have taken a different course if I'd known, but "thrill of the hunt" has never been motivation for me.



It's no fun to hunt with a broken gun :)

Its no fun hunting if your not a hunter.

When hunting a little camouflage dose't hurt. Your not changing the fact your a human, your just covering your bright pink shirt, in order to get a little closer. Or you may end up having to settle for some road kill. If you wait long enough a prize winner may just walk into your back yard.

I think you would have to read all of his posts to get a good sense for his attitude, when it comes to chicks, dating, relationships or whatever, not just this one thread. I have no doubt he really would like to find a nice girl(or little boy:)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 17th, 2013 at 3:48:54 AM permalink
I was 55... and that was six years ago. My son taught me how to play Texas Hold'em. Had no clue how it was played till then.
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December 17th, 2013 at 9:58:08 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If you wait long enough a prize winner may just walk into your back yard.


Hmm, that sounds a lot like my situation.
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December 17th, 2013 at 10:35:52 AM permalink
I'm going off topic but I'm gonna put it this way. It's gonna take years of therapy to fix my women problems. Luckily my Obamacare will kick in in a few weeks so by the time his second term is up, bam I am fixed.
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December 17th, 2013 at 11:30:55 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Don't be yourself, if you want to get laid.

+100

Axel, you're a wise man. That's some of the best advice I've seen. I don't know why people always tell young guys to "be yourself". If that worked, then no guy would ever have trouble getting women.

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You will be stuck with Louie Anderson.

LOL! I'm still curious about hearing the full Louie story. ;)


Quote: AxiomOfChoice

let's just say that I'm in "the 1%" and leave it at that)...

...I have no trouble getting women

Even though you're a self-proclaimed "geek", the 1% thing sure helps a lot with women...haha
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December 17th, 2013 at 3:12:05 PM permalink
I played 5-stud first and last card down as first poker when I was 12. 7-stud the year after that. I liked the former as a 4-flush beat a pair... allowing some room to bluff.
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December 17th, 2013 at 3:21:03 PM permalink
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Even though you're a self-proclaimed "geek", the 1% thing sure helps a lot with women...haha



Yes and no. Around here pretty much everyone is in the 1%. I still have a small 1-bedroom apartment...
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December 17th, 2013 at 6:50:30 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Axel, can I ask how old you are?

I would have agreed with you when I was in my early-mid 20's. But, some time around my late 20's or early 30's (probably closer to early 30's) things changed. At some point around there, it becomes more important to be successful than to be "cool". Or maybe what is "cool" changes. In any case, I'm a geek (a math geek, at that). I don't hide it. I love video games (geeky RPGs, not "cool" games like COD and Madden). I also love board games (geeky strategy ones) and puzzles. Again, I don't hide any of this.

On the other hand, as a result of being a geek, I make really good money (let's just say that I'm in "the 1%" and leave it at that). I'm also not douchey about it. I don't flash my money around or try to impress people, but I'm not cheap either. I will take a girl to a nice restaurant and spend a few hundred dollars on dinner (the fact that I like good food helps, here... I'm enjoying it as much as she is). I'm honest, polite, and I treat people well. I have no trouble getting women. In fact it is just the opposite -- I meet so many attractive women and like so many of them that it's hard to decide when to "take the plunge" and get into a real relationship because I don't want to shut the other ones out.

The bottom line is, if you just want to get laid and never see the woman again, fine, show her what she wants to see and put on whatever act you want, if you think it's necessary. But if you're actually looking for a relationship (even a short-term one), drop the act. Pretending to be someone that you're not is a lot of work, and honestly is not worth it.

Alternative: if you have money, and you just want to get laid, just get a hooker. It's easier than putting on an act, no more expensive than buying dinner and drinks, and it will work every time. There are some people who find it immoral but I don't get that -- if you care about morality, it certainly seems more moral than pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending that you like someone, just to get laid. At least with the hooker everyone is being honest and getting exactly what they want out of the deal.



You know, I went right past this post the other day when I answered Axel's, and he had made a good point. But Axiom is exactly right, and it does depend on what you want, either as a guy or a girl in a relationship. And I'll go so far as to say that who Axiom presents himself as, confident, generous, and a gentleman who likes women as people as well as, well, ass, attracts women in droves, certainly me and all my good friends would be thrilled to have a chance with a guy who thinks like he does. Definitely what I was talking about in discussing what women want.

But again, it matters what you want as well. Ass, the hunt, arm candy, ditzy dependence, good company, opposites attract, soulmate, like interests...all legit if that's what the guy is looking for, and all those women are out there. But if you keep striking out with a particular type of girl or relationship...well, what those problems have in common is you. Figure out what you really want, then look for just that in a woman, keeping some flexibility about non-dealbreaker issues. And be yourself, honest in who you are and what you want, and the right girl(s) will find you and encourage you. At least that's what I think works.
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December 18th, 2013 at 1:42:54 AM permalink
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You know, I went right past this post the other day when I answered Axel's, and he had made a good point. But Axiom is exactly right, and it does depend on what you want, either as a guy or a girl in a relationship. And I'll go so far as to say that who Axiom presents himself as, confident, generous, and a gentleman who likes women as people as well as, well, ass, attracts women in droves, certainly me and all my good friends would be thrilled to have a chance with a guy who thinks like he does. Definitely what I was talking about in discussing what women want.

But again, it matters what you want as well. Ass, the hunt, arm candy, ditzy dependence, good company, opposites attract, soulmate, like interests...all legit if that's what the guy is looking for, and all those women are out there. But if you keep striking out with a particular type of girl or relationship...well, what those problems have in common is you. Figure out what you really want, then look for just that in a woman, keeping some flexibility about non-dealbreaker issues. And be yourself, honest in who you are and what you want, and the right girl(s) will find you and encourage you. At least that's what I think works.

Possibly older women want a nice guy, after years of being alone or in some horrible relationships and they get desperate. I know plenty of very nice guys out there that cant get a girl no matter how hard they try. In reality, a normal girl only wants a nice guy if, he looks like George Clooney. Girl's born in the 80's or later, don't seem to be looking for a nice guy who's a provider. The most common thing you hear from a girl is, I want a guy who makes me laugh (BULLSHIT). They want a guy that looks good and has swag, money and then makes her laugh. Probably in that order. I have set up a few well kept, decent, honest nice friends, with girls I know, under the premise, I just cant find a good man. Only to hear from her, "He's just to nice", WTF?

I always hear girls say they want a nice guy who is romantic, charming, bla bla bla. The problem is they want all the other stuff Looks, Money, He makes me laugh the list goes on. Now they want this perfect guy.
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December 18th, 2013 at 2:34:00 AM permalink
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LOL! I'm still curious about hearing the full Louie story. ;)

It would sound better in person, from me anyways. So, ill try to make it short. A group of us were discussing a play at the plaza, DJ was half listening as usual, I think he has Gambling A.D.D or something, he cant seem to sit still, great kid even a "NICE GUY" I think he only caught part of the conversation and heard key words. I'm sure he was dreaming of $5 Royals

Because this promo was at the plaza and Louie has a show there, It brought up a discussion between me and a few others. I told them some stories about Louie. The stories dealt with Louie liking legal teen guys.

We made a deal with DJ for him to play the promotion. A few days later DJ shows up for what should have been a long session and starts playing.

Not sure exactly how it went down. But I few hrs later, I get word that Dj was no longer playing. I think he texted me some creepy guy was staring at him and his leg or something. At this point I think Dj started to remember, bits and pieces of the Louie story. Eventually Dj was so unsettled, he ran out the door. I meet up with Dj and he said the guy looked a bit like Louie but was unsure. Louie had a baseball cap on and was not as large as he appears on TV, and he really didn't look like what you would imagine. I went over to the Plaza to play VP with my GF and sure enough, it was Louie Anderson. After that Dj would sneak around and make sure Louie was not around before he started playing.

Side note: I joke about Louie and the young guys thing, I'ts more of a joke. I know that there has been some situations that raised eyebrows.

Louie Anderson was extremely nice and friendly to me and my GF , very nice, chatty and humble. I think we talked to him for about 2 hrs while playing. He was more interested in knowing about us as people, he offered good relationship advice and some wisdom.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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