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March 8th, 2011 at 3:08:23 AM permalink
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The game creator, Rupert Boneham, is one of the best-known contestants to ever participate on the CBS reality television series "Survivor." Fans know him by his first name, his unkempt hair, his wild beard, his tie-dyed clothes and his oversized personality.

Rupert's Island Draw began its field trial Thursday at the Golden Nugget. The game is sort of a reverse version of 21, or a simplified concept of lowball poker.

"There really isn't another game like it on the casino floor," Lemon said. "It's totally different."



The second article has more details on how the game is played.

Casino City Times

Las Vegas Weekly
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March 8th, 2011 at 4:05:17 AM permalink
I saw this game the day before it started the field trial. The rule card was rather confusing. When Rupert first appeared on Survivor I was still a big fan, so I have a curiosity about the game. I'm tempted to go downtown to play the thing and then do an analysis.
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March 8th, 2011 at 4:15:43 AM permalink
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I saw this game the day before it started the field trial. The rule card was rather confusing. When Rupert first appeared on Survivor I was still a big fan, so I have a curiosity about the game. I'm tempted to go downtown to play the thing and then do an analysis.



I've played it. It's like a clever hybrid of Blackjack (dealing style), Poker (side bet) and Baccarat (Play) but ends up as a mix of games with no real identity.

Some hands you cannot win and others you cannot lose. The 'choice' that you get as to whether to draw or let the dealer draw is actually no real choice at all as it is obvious which one you should pick depending on the totals.

I don't watch Survivor so I have no idea who Rupert is. If he is very popular then this may give the game some adrenalin, however, IMO, I don't see it spreading any further than the confines of The Golden Nugget.
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March 8th, 2011 at 4:20:04 AM permalink
I was confused about the "choice" about what the dealer does. What happens if the players choose differently? This game is crying out for somebody to properly explain the rules. Not only was the rule card confusing, but had errors in grammar too.

To borrow a joke from one of the articles, it sounds like the game will get voted off the floor by the players.
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March 8th, 2011 at 4:29:55 AM permalink
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I was confused about the "choice" about what the dealer does. What happens if the players choose differently? This game is crying out for somebody to properly explain the rules. Not only was the rule card confusing, but had errors in grammar too.

To borrow a joke from one of the articles, it sounds like the game will get voted off the floor by the players.



I haven't got the player's card now as I gave it to someone :-)

If I remember right, the dealer will offer the player the choice to either draw a card or give the dealer a card if the dealer has a total of 5, 6 or 7 showing. The aim of the game is to score lower than the dealer or higher than 12 (which counts as 0). So, if you have 2,3 or 4 and the dealer has 5 or 6 you cannot lose by letting the dealer draw. if the dealer has 7 and you have 2 then you should let the dealer draw as he needs a 6 whearas you lose with a 6 and tie with a 5. If the dealer has 6 and you have 10 then you have to work it out - if dealer draws then he loses with 5 or 6 and pushes with 4 - if you draw then you win with 3, 4, 5 or 6 so you draw.

I played with someone who sat down and hit 4 6's on the sidebet ($500 win) on the first hand and ended up winning $1,000 on the game, mainly from success on the low-hit freq'/ high payout side-bet.

EDIT: It's generally a bad sign when you win on a game but still come away without fully enjoying it.
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March 8th, 2011 at 1:17:32 PM permalink
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I don't watch Survivor so I have no idea who Rupert is.



I didnt, until I read the article. When I saw the picture, I instantly recognised him from the Survivor Spinning Streak Slot machine. It was Rupert's image on the screen which led me to shouting "Come on you beardy B*stard" whilst playing at the Tropicana.
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March 8th, 2011 at 2:34:47 PM permalink
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which led me to shouting "Come on you beardy B*stard"

My last trick said that too!!
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March 9th, 2011 at 7:50:01 AM permalink
I found my rule card. After reading it several times I still have a hard time understanding it. If anyone can better explain the rules, I'm all ears.

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March 9th, 2011 at 8:34:21 AM permalink
I think the best way to explain the game is that it is like reverse Baccarat. Instead of the highest total winning the lowest total wins and you use the total score of the cards, not just the last digit. If the player's score is greater than 12 it is an automatic win for the player, no matter what the dealer has. The drawing rules are quite odd and are what is listed by the bullets. As mentioned about, the "choice" is really not a choice at all and is just there to make people feel good.
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March 9th, 2011 at 8:38:42 AM permalink
I had to read the rule card several times before I "got" it.

It's confusing because, when there is a decision, it's unclear what happens with the cards. Sure, all players make a decision, but is it one community card that, based on the player's decision, is added to the dealer or player hands? Or is one card dealt to the dealer as well as dealt to all players that asked for the card?

If it were me, I would not only make it a community card, I'd make the third card, if dealt to the players by rule 1, a community card as well.

This will avoid the big problem in BJ of one person taking another person's card. (Yeah, I know that's a falacy, but there's no escaping players who complain about it.)


My second thought is that if the dealer has 12, you will NEVER give him another card, so why is it in rule 3 rather than rule 1?


My last thought about this is that it may be beaten by card counting. But then I started to really think about the strategy of Rule 3 with an infinite deck. It's pretty simple. The only real decision is when you have a total of 8:

2 3 4 5 12
2 D D D D P
3 D D D D P
4 D D D D P
5 D D D D P
6 D D D D P
7 D D D D P
8 P P D D P
9 P P P P P
10 P P P P P
11 P P P P P
12 P P P P P

Dealer's hand across the top, player's hand down the side.
D = Dealer takes card. P = Player takes card.

Does the strategy change if you're counting? Depends on the count. I'm not sure what kind of count it needs to be to make a change...
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