Casino "Mystery Multipliers" math and reward tiers

Hi everyone.

I have some casinos around me that constantly offer reward points multipliers, apparently this seems to be common practice throughout the country.

I've seen them being advertised as "up to". Such as "Up to 10x, up to 100x", etc.

I'm wondering about two things, the first one is what are your experiences with these mystery multipliers? Do you actually get good multipliers or do the bulk of your swipes land in the 2x/3x realm?

The second is regarding the legality of the promotion. Is the randomness being audited? Supposedly all games in a casino must be audited by the gaming commission for true randomness. I wonder if that's the case here.

I wonder if the "mystery" is actually just a non-random sham, or semi-random twisted way of comping bad players. As we know, casinos keep track of your win/loss and know what games you played and how well you performed on them. Basically I suspect the players who play low RTP games, Players who are unskilled at skill based games, and Players of higher tiers (when not specified by the promotion) are actually getting the higher multipliers. In other words, I suspect the elite tier slot players / video poker players who discard pat hands / blackjack players who split 10s/ Triple 0 roulette players, etc are getting better multipliers than those of us playing by the strategies mentioned on Wizard of Odds website.

Because well... if the multipliers are truly random and audited to be so... 100x reward points can easily turn a lot of games into +EV games.

Welcome to the forum.

I usually get one of the two lowest value prizes.

As I have posted before, as someone that has programmed the promotion functionality for these type of promos, they are random but still set up to give the best customers the highest chance of getting a big multiplier.

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Hi everyone.

I have some casinos around me that constantly offer reward points multipliers, apparently this seems to be common practice throughout the country.

I've seen them being advertised as "up to". Such as "Up to 10x, up to 100x", etc.

I'm wondering about two things, the first one is what are your experiences with these mystery multipliers? Do you actually get good multipliers or do the bulk of your swipes land in the 2x/3x realm?

The second is regarding the legality of the promotion. Is the randomness being audited? Supposedly all games in a casino must be audited by the gaming commission for true randomness. I wonder if that's the case here.

I wonder if the "mystery" is actually just a non-random sham, or semi-random twisted way of comping bad players. As we know, casinos keep track of your win/loss and know what games you played and how well you performed on them. Basically I suspect the players who play low RTP games, Players who are unskilled at skill based games, and Players of higher tiers (when not specified by the promotion) are actually getting the higher multipliers. In other words, I suspect the elite tier slot players / video poker players who discard pat hands / blackjack players who split 10s/ Triple 0 roulette players, etc are getting better multipliers than those of us playing by the strategies mentioned on Wizard of Odds website.

Because well... if the multipliers are truly random and audited to be so... 100x reward points can easily turn a lot of games into +EV games.
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Welcome! That’s a good first question.

Others, like DRich, may know more, but I doubt that they are looking at “quality of play”; however, they could be looking at more than just total coin in/card level. Such metrics as theoretical and/or actual losses (or gains) “could” come into play, if not others. These would make it seem like they are targeting sharp players (although indirectly). Imagine an average VP or slot player who is having a good run on Royals or other jackpots, who always gets a lower multiplier or prize. Conversely, you could have an AP on a bad run (at this house), who gets good multipliers or prizes. Or it really could just be by tier…

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Hi everyone.

I have some casinos around me that constantly offer reward points multipliers, apparently this seems to be common practice throughout the country.

I've seen them being advertised as "up to". Such as "Up to 10x, up to 100x", etc.

I'm wondering about two things, the first one is what are your experiences with these mystery multipliers? Do you actually get good multipliers or do the bulk of your swipes land in the 2x/3x realm?

The second is regarding the legality of the promotion. Is the randomness being audited? Supposedly all games in a casino must be audited by the gaming commission for true randomness. I wonder if that's the case here.

I wonder if the "mystery" is actually just a non-random sham, or semi-random twisted way of comping bad players. As we know, casinos keep track of your win/loss and know what games you played and how well you performed on them. Basically I suspect the players who play low RTP games, Players who are unskilled at skill based games, and Players of higher tiers (when not specified by the promotion) are actually getting the higher multipliers. In other words, I suspect the elite tier slot players / video poker players who discard pat hands / blackjack players who split 10s/ Triple 0 roulette players, etc are getting better multipliers than those of us playing by the strategies mentioned on Wizard of Odds website.

Because well... if the multipliers are truly random and audited to be so... 100x reward points can easily turn a lot of games into +EV games.
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Welcome! That’s a good first question.

Others, like DRich, may know more, but I doubt that they are looking at “quality of play”; however, they could be looking at more than just total coin in/card level. Such metrics as theoretical and/or actual losses (or gains) “could” come into play, if not others. These would make it seem like they are targeting sharp players (although indirectly). Imagine an average VP or slot player who is having a good run on Royals or other jackpots, who always gets a lower multiplier or prize. Conversely, you could have an AP on a bad run (at this house), who gets good multipliers or prizes. Or it really could just be by tier…
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The lazy places seem to just use coin in as the metric. I would guess most did like we did and used theoretical over some period of time. Either Average Daily Theo or Average Monthly Theo.

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I usually get one of the two lowest value prizes.
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#Metoo

I often get one of lowest, however when the range is not extremely high ie 2X to 10X instead of up to 50X or 100X

I have gotten the max 10X or middle like 5X or 7X a reasonable amount of times.

Never received a huge one like 50X plus that would make most games positive EV

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As I have posted before, as someone that has programmed the promotion functionality for these type of promos, they are random but still set up to give the best customers the highest chance of getting a big multiplier.
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Thanks everyone for sharing your personal experiences. DRich can you link me to the threads/posts you're referring to?

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As I have posted before, as someone that has programmed the promotion functionality for these type of promos, they are random but still set up to give the best customers the highest chance of getting a big multiplier.
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Thanks everyone for sharing your personal experiences. DRich can you link me to the threads/posts you're referring to?
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Sorry, I don't have those links handy but they will be somewhere in the last ten years of posts on this site. I am pretty sure there was one within the last month or so.

Would 100x make slots +EV too lol, because then I can just autospin and not do such hard work on video poker