A Yahtzee ?

I've read with interest the wikipedia page and a thread or 2 here... The one series of questions I have not found yet are the following;

1.) Average score without yahtzee
2.) Same with ONE yahtzee
3.) Same with TWO yahtzees
4.) Same with 3 OR MORE yahtzees.

I would presume the 100 point bonus plus wild placement (5x open number, or default score, or dice total).
There seems to be a few variations of the 'extra yahtzee' scoring.

I play alot against Bill at cardgames dot io. His opponent strat. gets messed up for a non-mandatory zero in the yahtzee, even though you could score a few points elsewhere (mandatory scoring NOT enforced).

Hope these written tweaks help with the figuring... IMHO no yahtzee with 250 is rather good.

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Suited89

If you haven't yet, look at Advantage Yahtzee by Olaf Vancura.

It's not part of my library that I can reach at the moment.

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Olaf Vancura.

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i have to say when you google some of these people you dont expect them all to be in leading positions at the casino gaming industries top companies

My family and I play Yahtzee! every other Sunday after family dinners... So I'm gonna consider myself a bit of a Yahtzee! aficionado. I also have the high score on the fridge right now with 3 Yahtzee's, but enough about my board game gold medals (lol)...

I just came here to remind everyone of 1 thing: A Yahtzee does NOT count if you do not immediately YELL Yahtzee!

Even when we took the entire family on comped cruises and there were tons of ppl in the game room, we still screamed it and drew many of awkward stares... to which I then informed them all of the rule as well.

Okay I guess I could give my random sampling size answers:

1.) ~200
2.) ~250
3.) ~325
4.) You make the fridge, congrats.

250 with no Yahtzee's is very good. Average top w/ bonus is "around" 100, and the bottom if you get everything BUT the Yahtzee adds up to around 150. So that's getting everything with fairly average scores on 3oak and 4oak and chance. If you pimp those out you can get up near 275+ without one, but that's one hell of a game.

Now that I think about it for a minute, I think I may be thinking of the winner of the game. I'd definitely bet the UNDER to some of my above answers for the "averages."

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Olaf Vancura.

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i have to say when you google some of these people you dont expect them all to be in leading positions at the casino gaming industries top companies

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Well, if you're looking for an edge in the game, play on the side of the house.
Makes sense to me.

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Olaf Vancura.

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i have to say when you google some of these people you dont expect them all to be in leading positions at the casino gaming industries top companies

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Well, if you're looking for an edge in the game, play on the side of the house.
Makes sense to me.

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what differentiates "hoax" or "scam" advantage books such as lets say a martingale baccarat book versus this book?

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Olaf Vancura.

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i have to say when you google some of these people you dont expect them all to be in leading positions at the casino gaming industries top companies

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Well, if you're looking for an edge in the game, play on the side of the house.
Makes sense to me.

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what differentiates "hoax" or "scam" advantage books such as lets say a martingale baccarat book versus this book?

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Math

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what differentiates "hoax" or "scam" advantage books such as lets say a martingale baccarat book versus this book?

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If I remember right, this book goes through an explanation of optimal basic strategy for the game.

Most people do not play with basic strategy; this alone gives you an advantage over those players.

Martingale makes a flawed assumption that you can't lose 5, 9, or even 32 times in a row.

I think you can get a copy of Advantage Yahtzee for $5 (you may be able to shop around and do better), I think most systems books go for a notably higher price as the sellers want to realize their edge over a potential sucker.

Most people don't play Yahtzee for money, so the marketing lacks a greed motivation. It's just a book on how to play the game well and get your score sheet stuck to the fridge with a magnet.

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Okay I guess I could give my random sampling size answers:

1.) ~200
2.) ~250
3.) ~325
4.) You make the fridge, congrats.

250 with no Yahtzee's is very good.

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Found the book hiding in a corner.

Appendix I says that the average score with computer perfect play is 254.6; 50th percentile is between 247 and 248. This is for scores with a Yahtzee.

A useful section of the book is about when to deviate from basic strategy to a more aggressive strategy to improve your chances of a win.

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Okay I guess I could give my random sampling size answers:

1.) ~200
2.) ~250
3.) ~325
4.) You make the fridge, congrats.

250 with no Yahtzee's is very good.

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Found the book hiding in a corner.

Appendix I says that the average score with computer perfect play is 254.6; 50th percentile is between 247 and 248. This is for scores with a Yahtzee.

A useful section of the book is about when to deviate from basic strategy to a more aggressive strategy to improve your chances of a win.

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I am disappointed that I never got to meet Olaf. I did a lot of work with some of his companies and always hoped to have the chance to gab with him. I think we would have hit it off together.

My intuition/limited (millions of games needed, I guess) experience is about 227 +/-3 for no Yahtzee and definately within the 247 - 255 range with 1 yahtzee. The few 2 yahtzee games scored 380 +/- 10. Never had the triple yahtzee.

Suited89