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November 30th, 2020 at 6:44:42 AM permalink
Four Princeton grads (Matthew Gibbons, Hannah Davinroy, Zoe Buonaiuto and the apparent ringleader, Manuel Montori) won more than $6 million from lotteries in Indiana, Missouri, Washington and the District of Columbia.

How did they do it and was how they did it illegal?

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/11/group-recent-princeton-grads-winning-lotteries-across-u-s/6146979002/

I'm wondering why the lotteries have said they are not concerned in light of the fact that the possibility exists these people might have known beforehand where the winning scratch-offs were (the prosecution of William C. Foreman regarding the Hoosier Lottery should ring a bell).
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November 30th, 2020 at 7:03:17 AM permalink
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Four Princeton grads (Matthew Gibbons, Hannah Davinroy, Zoe Buonaiuto and the apparent ringleader, Manuel Montori) won more than $6 million from lotteries in Indiana, Missouri, Washington and the District of Columbia.

How did they do it and was how they did it illegal?

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/11/group-recent-princeton-grads-winning-lotteries-across-u-s/6146979002/

I'm wondering why the lotteries have said they are not concerned in light of the fact that the possibility exists these people might have known beforehand where the winning scratch-offs were (the prosecution of William C. Foreman regarding the Hoosier Lottery should ring a bell).



There was a Phd in statistics from Las Vegas that was very successful many years ago doing the same thing. The fact that the websites show how many big tickets are left can definitely give you a mathematical advantage.
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November 30th, 2020 at 7:24:48 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

There was a Phd in statistics from Las Vegas that was very successful many years ago doing the same thing. The fact that the websites show how many big tickets are left can definitely give you a mathematical advantage.

but how would you know WHERE that last remaining $1M scratch off is located?
or even in the general area? (ie: nw corner of the state)
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November 30th, 2020 at 7:41:24 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

but how would you know WHERE that last remaining $1M scratch off is located?
or even in the general area? (ie: nw corner of the state)



You would have to try to deduce that. It is believed by some that the bigger tickets tend to get spread out geographically so if a big ticket hit in a certain area it is probably less like that another one would be in that area. Read the articles about Joan Ginther. This is one but there are lots out there. https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/this-stanford-phd-reportedly-figured-out-texas-lottery-won-20-million-playing-over-over-for-years.html
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November 30th, 2020 at 8:44:57 AM permalink
Yet articles on Joan Ginther never explained how she did it exactly.

If only a bunch of smart math minds was involved and nothing nefarious is going on, wouldn't someone have figured this out before them and/or a definitive explaination by other math minds be public knowledge by now for how it was done and apparently done more than once?
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November 30th, 2020 at 9:28:00 AM permalink
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Yet articles on Joan Ginther never explained how she did it exactly.

If only a bunch of smart math minds was involved and nothing nefarious is going on, wouldn't someone have figured this out before them and/or a definitive explaination by other math minds be public knowledge by now for how it was done and apparently done more than once?



I think you are forgetting that the lotteries didn't make the information available in the past. Everytime a new piece of information is presented, it gives us more clues on how it works.
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November 30th, 2020 at 9:53:27 AM permalink
I don't see anything illegal at this point with this particular situation

Years ago I read of a guy who discovered certain lottery games had a quasi code which allowed him to discern which tickets were winners and which were losers before playing them.

I believe he worked out deals with several ticket selling stores. They allowed him to go through all the tickets without purchase for an upfront fee. He would remove the winners, leaving the losers to be sold to the rest of the customers so no one making a purchase had even a chance of winning.

The stores made the same sales (the winners to him, the losers to everyone else), plus they made extra off his payment to go through the tickets

Not every"winner" was profit. He could only tell it was a redeem ticket not for how much. So he might buy a $5 and win $3.

But in this manner he made a profit, never buying tickets to be thrown out
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December 1st, 2020 at 5:29:46 AM permalink
I was thinking along these lines. What if they figured out a method to confirm, without actually scratching off the latex, which scratch-offs are winners prior to purchasing them?

Then again, they are "Black Swan Capital" (emphasis on black swan) for a reason. Perhaps there is a perfectly legal way they are going about this. Are they arrogant enough to pose with the ceremonial checks if they are winning large payouts across four states illegally?

Supposedly they will reveal their secret one day in a YouTube video but most likely do an interview here and there as well.
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December 1st, 2020 at 6:04:22 AM permalink
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I was thinking along these lines. What if they figured out a method to confirm, without actually scratching off the latex, which scratch-offs are winners prior to purchasing them?

Then again, they are "Black Swan Capital" (emphasis on black swan) for a reason. Perhaps there is a perfectly legal way they are going about this. Are they arrogant enough to pose with the ceremonial checks if they are winning large payouts across four states illegally?

Supposedly they will reveal their secret one day in a YouTube video but most likely do an interview here and there as well.


Although I doubt this would work to the point of being +EV, you could 100% pick out higher value scratchies for some of these bingo games without scratching, assuming free spaces are randomly distributed.

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March 13th, 2021 at 12:39:24 PM permalink
They have not yet revealed exactly how they did it nor done an interview as they suggested they would (an online search has not revealed any updates, at least).

I am interested in knowing if and when a Dateline-like program airs or maybe a Wired article is in the works regarding these people.

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