November 19th, 2019 at 11:42:02 AM
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The new HRC (Fire Mountain, a tribal property in CA) has a roulette table, and their version to get around the CA rules uses cards as seen in other tribal properties. This version though uses 4 colored slots on an otherwise similar roulette wheel with a ball dropped by a live person... The slot the ball lands in corresponds with 4 of the same colored spots on the layout, and while the ball is spinning, the dealer puts out 4 cards from a continuous shuffler and then flips one over when the ball stops.

My question is, does this affect the odds of the game? since you can only possibly land on one of 4 cards, would that affect the odds of getting any particular number? or since a continuous shuffler delivers the cards, do the odds remain the same and is this just an inventive way of getting around the CA laws? Other tribal properties use cards but they have a 'wheel of fortune' style wheel with a card in each slot, so it is easy to see the odds would be the same. is this maybe a hard rock specific way of playing roulette? (the colors on the wheel are their theme colors, black, white, gold and magenta)

My question is, does this affect the odds of the game? since you can only possibly land on one of 4 cards, would that affect the odds of getting any particular number? or since a continuous shuffler delivers the cards, do the odds remain the same and is this just an inventive way of getting around the CA laws? Other tribal properties use cards but they have a 'wheel of fortune' style wheel with a card in each slot, so it is easy to see the odds would be the same. is this maybe a hard rock specific way of playing roulette? (the colors on the wheel are their theme colors, black, white, gold and magenta)

November 19th, 2019 at 4:38:58 PM
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I assume there are multiple spaces of each color, and the cards are numbered 00, 0, and 1-36.

Since any particular color card has an equal chance of being any of the 38 numbers, the odds are the same as in regular roulette - any particular number has a 1/38 chance of coming up on a particular spin. Note that the number of spaces of each color do not have to be the same; the probability would be the same even if all of the spaces were the same color.

I am a little surprised such a new casino is allowed roulette; there was a period when "No roulette - not even electronic" was put into pretty much every new California tribal gaming compact (as well as "no craps that use actual dice in any way," but this casino has that as well).

Since any particular color card has an equal chance of being any of the 38 numbers, the odds are the same as in regular roulette - any particular number has a 1/38 chance of coming up on a particular spin. Note that the number of spaces of each color do not have to be the same; the probability would be the same even if all of the spaces were the same color.

I am a little surprised such a new casino is allowed roulette; there was a period when "No roulette - not even electronic" was put into pretty much every new California tribal gaming compact (as well as "no craps that use actual dice in any way," but this casino has that as well).

November 19th, 2019 at 11:17:47 PM
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Sorry, but I don't like being deceived particularly by Indian Tribes. If it ain't got no little white ball bouncing around a spinning wheel, don't call it roulette.Quote:nameremorseThe new HRC (Fire Mountain, a tribal property in CA) has a roulette table, and their version to get around the CA rules uses cards as seen in other tribal properties.

November 19th, 2019 at 11:25:03 PM
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Quote:FleaStiffSorry, but I don't like being deceived particularly by Indian Tribes. If it ain't got no little white ball bouncing around a spinning wheel, don't call it roulette.

I agree.

These odd rules and regulations would cause me to not bother playing at all.