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April 28th, 2018 at 8:44:28 PM permalink
One question I get from time to time is whether there is any order to the numbers on the roulette wheel. AZDuffman suggested some order, to what looks like chaos to me, via PM. I'd like to think I've improved up on the way he put it. That said, here is the simplest way I can think of to explain the arrangement of numbers on a double-zero wheel.

  1. Position the 00 at the 12:00 position and the 0 at the 6:00 position.
  2. The numbers at the top of the wheel are 13, 1, 00, 27, 10*, 25. This must simply be memorized.
  3. Note that all low odd numbers (from 1 to 17) are on the left side and the high odds (19 to 35) on the right side.
  4. Unless otherwise stated in rule 2, for the low odds, go 4 positions counterclockwise from the last one, and for the high odds, to 4 positions clockwise.
  5. All even numbers are directly across the wheel, 180 degrees, from the preceding odd number.


* The 10 does not need to be memorized, as it is directly across from the 9, as stated in rule 5. However, it must be noted that some even number is in that spot.

Any questions? Any suggestions on an even simpler way to put it? All due credit to AZD for his help with this.

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April 28th, 2018 at 9:01:50 PM permalink
If they were in numerical order around the
wheel, the outcomes would still be
random. I don't understand what the
point of this is. The number arrangement
on the wheel has nothing to do with
the outcomes.
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April 28th, 2018 at 9:19:10 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If they were in numerical order around the
wheel, the outcomes would still be
random. I don't understand what the
point of this is. The number arrangement
on the wheel has nothing to do with
the outcomes.

I always assumed itís ordered like this for mainly historical reasons so that a biased wheel is harder to spot/exploit. If a certain quadrant of wheel is hitting more than it should, itís easier to see that when the quadrantís numbers are 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 instead of 27-10-25-29-12-8-19-31-18.
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April 28th, 2018 at 9:22:14 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If they were in numerical order around the
wheel, the outcomes would still be
random. I don't understand what the
point of this is. The number arrangement
on the wheel has nothing to do with
the outcomes.



You're absolutely right. I think the reason the numbers are spread around is to make it more difficult to notice a biased wheel. For example, if the part of the wheel around 23 were lowest, then you notice a lot of numbers winning in the low 20's. Make the order seem random and it is harder to tell.

As I just said at DT, modern roulette wheels are very fair and balanced, but maybe 200 years ago that wasn't so much the case.
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April 28th, 2018 at 9:23:57 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

I always assumed itís ordered like this for mainly historical reasons so that a biased wheel is harder to spot/exploit. If a certain quadrant of wheel is hitting more than it should, itís easier to see that when the quadrantís numbers are 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 instead of 27-10-25-29-12-8-19-31-18.



We were obviously posting at the same time.
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April 28th, 2018 at 9:38:08 PM permalink
I think the answers the same as why red and black are patterned intermittently. It keeps everyones skin in the game to the very last second

If the numbers were simply in numerical rising order and i bet 1-12 and the ball is clacking away around numbers 20-26 im done. Chances of a last minute bouncing win are slim.

But with numbers the way they are ordered im screaming at the wheel to jump out and give me a last minute win
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April 28th, 2018 at 9:40:09 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I think the answers the same as why red and black are patterned intermittently. It keeps everyones skin in the game to the very last second



Good point.
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Ace2
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April 28th, 2018 at 9:56:41 PM permalink
Whatís strange though, is that the single zero wheel arrangement is very different.
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April 28th, 2018 at 10:11:36 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

One question I get from time to time is whether there is any order to the numbers on the roulette wheel. AZDuffman suggested some order, to what looks like chaos to me, via PM. I'd like to think I've improved up on the way he put it. That said, here is the simplest way I can think of to explain the arrangement of numbers on a double-zero wheel.

  1. Position the 00 at the 12:00 position and the 0 at the 6:00 position.
  2. The numbers at the top of the wheel are 13, 1, 00, 27, 10*, 25. This must simply be memorized.
  3. Note that all low odd numbers (from 1 to 17) are on the left side and the high odds (19 to 35) on the right side.
  4. Unless otherwise stated in rule 2, for the low odds, go 4 positions counterclockwise from the last one, and for the high odds, to 4 positions clockwise.
  5. All even numbers are directly across the wheel, 180 degrees, from the preceding odd number.


* The 10 does not need to be memorized, as it is directly across from the 9, as stated in rule 5. However, it must be noted that some even number is in that spot.

Any questions? Any suggestions on an even simpler way to put it? All due credit to AZD for his help with this.

The question for the poll is what do you think?


There is a pattern. On a 00 wheel, start at 1. 2 is directly across from it. Go back to 1 and 3 is three spaces from it. 4 directly across from that, rinse and repeat.

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April 28th, 2018 at 10:20:46 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

There is a pattern. On a 00 wheel, start at 1. 2 is directly across from it. Go back to 1 and 3 is three spaces from it. 4 directly across from that, rinse and repeat.



How do you explain getting from 12 to 13?
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