lilredrooster
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June 27th, 2017 at 1:47:12 PM permalink
First, I'm not trying to make money off of this. I'm just throwing it out there for fun.

The game is Chess. No, I'm not claiming to have invented Chess.

I'm aware that some casinos in the past have offered Chess tournaments. This would be different than that.

This would be chess played in a manner similar to how it's played and gambled on in many cities.

There would be Chess tables on the floor marked for example as being $25 minimum to $500 maximum.

There would be a casino employee or dealer at each table. The casino would make money by paying the winner back slightly less than even money.

A challenger sits down at a Chess table and puts his money down indicating how much he is willing to bet against any opponent.

An opponent within the casino sees the bet out there and sits down meaning he accepts the bet and matches it.

The Dealer flips a coin to see who gets White and moves first. Either player can call the flip.

There is a 5 second time clock at each table that is counted down to 0 aurally.

The Dealer will make sure each opponent has placed his chess piece down within the 5 seconds or they forfeit their turn.

The house will take a very small % of the bet if there is a stalemate for example 1%.

The winner will win the amount bet less the house take; for example 2%.

An obvious criticism is that expert chess players would be able to clean up. True, but so what? The same is true of poker players. A great many chess players consider themselves to be experts. I don't see this as a problem.

I see this as being potentially pretty popular.

As far as I know something similar to this has never been done in a casino. I could be wrong. I only am aware of chess tournaments in casinos.

What do you think?
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Ayecarumba
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June 27th, 2017 at 1:51:16 PM permalink
Even at 5 seconds per move, it will take too much time, and not make enough to even pay for the "dealer/judge" who has to be there all the time.
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lilredrooster
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June 27th, 2017 at 1:55:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Even at 5 seconds per move, it will take too much time, and not make enough to even pay for the "dealer/judge" who has to be there all the time.


maybe the casino could allow other players to bet on or against the players playing as long as there is somebody to match their bet.
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Ayecarumba
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June 27th, 2017 at 1:59:03 PM permalink
What if the action was against a computer? The higher the stakes, the more advanced the computer opponent? Or players could select various levels of starting board positions with built in handicaps, so that if they win or tie, they might collect more or less depending on their starting handicap? It could also be set up like a video slot with random combinations of starting positions, pieces missing, or opponent rankings.
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lilredrooster
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June 27th, 2017 at 2:04:22 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

What if the action was against a computer? The higher the stakes, the more advanced the computer opponent? Or players could select various levels of starting board positions with built in handicaps, so that if they win or tie, they might collect more or less depending on their starting handicap? It could also be set up like a video slot with random combinations of starting positions, pieces missing, or opponent rankings.




yes, that is a good point. my idea was to set it up to involve more human interaction. many people, including myself, prefer human interaction. obviously, blackjack, craps. roulette, etc. could all be slot style games and many have been turned into that but they've managed to survive as table games. to me, it would be more appealing this way. of course, there are a great many others who find computer games or slots appealing.
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billryan
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June 27th, 2017 at 2:04:42 PM permalink
You wouldn't need a judge at every table as every move would be recorded and played back in the event of a dispute. Problem is trying to level off the playing field. I walk into a casino and want to play someone for $25 a game, how do I know they are not a Grand Master.
In poker, you have a few rounds to determine if you are the sucker, here you put your money up front against an unknown entity.
I could see it having a small niche. Better for a card room than a casino, though.
lilredrooster
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June 27th, 2017 at 2:08:20 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

how do I know they are not a Grand Master.
In poker, you have a few rounds to determine if you are the sucker, here you put your money up front against an unknown entity.


there aren't that many Grand Masters. And the greatest would probably be recognized by other chess players. there are plenty of suckers staying at poker tables even after it's become pretty obvious that they're not competitive.
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Ayecarumba
June 27th, 2017 at 2:39:27 PM permalink
Just not enough money could be generated to justify the costs. In poker the casino takes a cut every hand and they still aren't very profitable. Backgammon has been a huge game for gamblers for many years but it is also to slow for the casinos to make any money. The average slot machine makes over $200 a day at most casinos and they require very little in the way of employee costs.
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June 27th, 2017 at 2:51:14 PM permalink
As mentioned by many game creators here before, the secret to a successful casino game is simplicity. A game that can be explained in ten seconds or less, and players know what they're doing within a couple hands. Chess is possibly one of the most involved games there is.

There's a reason nobody's patented Ultimate Bridge yet.
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June 27th, 2017 at 2:54:48 PM permalink
In poker there is a big element of luck on each hand, 7-2 can beat AA (the worst hand/player can beat the best hand/player over and over due to luck) In chess that won't happen, the better player will win way too often.

I have no doubt some people would try just for fun, but it wouldn't be enough to add it to the casinos.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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