Ultimate Texas Holdem - Optimum Trips Bet

What would the optimum Trips bet for UTH be and how would you calculate it? For example, if you play $25 ante / $25 blind and you want to include the trips bets, should you bet $25 or a different amount to account for different probabilities?

Thanks!!

The optimal bet is $0.00. But if your going to play it, I say table minimum.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The optimal bet is $0.00. But if your going to play it, I say table minimum.

I sort of agree. The trips bet is a lot of fun, so to me that has value. I try to help pay for it by keeping to table minimum, and playing at least 2x that amount on the ante. I'd prefer to play 3x, but my br won't support that at the moment, with properly aggressive betting averaging about $65/hand, not including the $5 trips. But unless you're running bonus hot, it's a steady drain on your funds, and most of your overall win usually comes from the main game.

A better strategy is probably to be extremely aggressive with the finer points of 4x, 2x, and kicker bets with those same dollars. Plenty of adrenaline rush in a 50.1% 4-bet.

I feel good about my grasp of the strategy. I never hesitate to go 4X as long as it meets the strategy guidelines. I also follow 2X and 1X as well.

Perhaps it would be better to position my question more along the lines of bankroll management. Yes, I could avoid trips completely, but call me crazy, call me a wildman, call me the casino's best friend, but I like having the additional chance with each hand. So I started to think of it in terms of the question I asked - Is there a sweet spot bet that will give me an acceptable return when I hit, but also an acceptable loss when I don't. I'm not a big player, so I've been playing 25A / 25B / 10T as an example. So it takes 5 hands for the trips bet to equal 2 antes / blinds.

I'm not proficient in all of the calculations of odds, probabilities, risk of ruin etc. but common sense tells me that risk of ruin would go down, but to what degree.

One other thing, I think the bankroll size be 20X the combined ante/blind (no trips). Thoughts on that?

Please feel free to math the hell out of this and help me learn the calcs. And thank you.

What pay table does the casino you play at use for the trips bet?

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

What pay table does the casino you play at use for the trips bet?

Most are 50-40-30-8-7-4-3

Quote: snorkleboy13

Most are 50-40-30-8-7-4-3

I'm seeing a lot of 6-5 lately (the rest the same). I like the one above better, though.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I'm seeing a lot of 6-5 lately (the rest the same). I like the one above better, though.

The 6 5 is a better pay table than the 7 4.
All else being equal.

Toledo has the lousy 6%+ pay table.

Quote: Hunterhill

The 6 5 is a better pay table than the 7 4.
All else being equal.

I think it's how I'm running. I get a lot of flushes lately. But the extra 5 on straights is nice on the other one, too.

Any other folks willing to weigh in on my questions?

well, since you ask, I feel the variance is already high for UTH and there is no need to play the side bet to try to increase it. That doesn't mean I'm right and someone else is wrong, since how much variance you want is a personal thing.

Quote: odiousgambit

well, since you ask, I feel the variance is already high for UTH and there is no need to play the side bet to try to increase it. That doesn't mean I'm right and someone else is wrong, since how much variance you want is a personal thing.

I appreciate any and all thoughtful responses.

What games have an acceptable variance for you?

Quote: snorkleboy13

I appreciate any and all thoughtful responses.

What games have an acceptable variance for you?

Craps with at least 3x4x5x, UTH are good examples

Examples of games where I don't like the variance:

*BJ, too low
*3 card poker, too low
*Mississippi Stud: variance maybe too high, or too much like a lottery where you wait and wait for the big hit to bail you out of the grind

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Toledo has the lousy 6%+ pay table.

As does Tucson :/

Yet, players still love to insist that Trips is where all the money in the game is made. I keep bitching about the 20:1 short pay on quads and 7:1 short pay on full houses with that lousy pay table to justify why I put very little (if any) on that side bet.

I recently had a long session that ended well, mostly due to 4X raises hitting. Managed to get quad aces and was berated by a couple other players for only having a few bucks on trips. Almost certain I had a net loss on trips that night; all the profit was made on the Play bet. What a surprise!

yes, even if you are the only one at the table who is running well, the conclusion is that you would have done even better if you had bet the trips - therefore you need a berating