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March 21st, 2015 at 12:57:42 PM permalink
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The payout for two pair is $300 and same color is $100.



My mistake, from memory of last night. It was one-pair and same-color: $100 and $75.


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If the dealer has blackjack and the player does not make a hand, it pays $25 to everyone who had the $5 wager up. If a hand is made why not ask for the $25 plus the payout of the hand?



The obvious next step of "any hand" also being lumped in to the calculation if this approach was to be used across the board did not escape someone last night. In fact, a royal flush in diamonds (the progressive) would also be "flush", "same color", and "straight" as well as "any hand". If you won the $250K progressive (last night's amount) you'd probably forgo arguing for the "any hand" payout at the same time.

Obviously the "one award only" rule either IS the way it's written up in the fine print, or SHOULD BE written up like that. It was only that guy's persistence and keeping a straight face, along with the middle management conceding the point, that won the day. And once the precedent had been set, there was no way NOT to pay it last night when it happened again.

But for sure there was a meeting this morning on this subject, and either the rule IS in effect, or WILL BE as of today.
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March 21st, 2015 at 1:24:41 PM permalink
Agreed. As Paradigm said, it's an easy fix.
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March 21st, 2015 at 2:12:15 PM permalink
Yeah, if you get 4OAK or a FH on a hand, you don't also get a 3OAK payout. Should be highest payout only, and I'm surprised there's any controversy about it. For sure, the payout table was calculated on only highest payout, as that's industry standard.
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March 21st, 2015 at 7:17:38 PM permalink
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Should be highest payout only, and I'm surprised there's any controversy about it. For sure, the payout table was calculated on only highest payout, as that's industry standard.



I agree, and if the mid-level people who responded had had any backbone they would have (politely maybe) rebuffed the original player and moved on. Their mistake was in doing anything other than paying $100. My impression is that just like everywhere else nowadays, no one dares make a decision or sticks their neck out without approval from above. The logical and common sense answer would have been to just say (politely of course) "you're nuts, here's your $100, now play continues." But no one in management today has the balls to do that, so they paid both parts once, then did it again, and again. My impression is if they don't specifically make it official in some way - table cards - magic marker and duct tape - something - they will have to deal with it again.
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March 22nd, 2015 at 12:45:51 PM permalink
I wonder if this player was a passer-by, or if it was some highly valued regular. If the latter, I can understand the walking on eggshells (even though I would still ultimately give the correct ruling). If the former, I go with the "Incorrect, play continues" response, and if the player makes a scene, he can be shown the exit

Incidentally, I routinely see players ask if they can get paid for both their straight and their flush on Pai Gow, but not once have I seen someone make a scene about it. And no, the "highest payout only" rule is not posted anywhere, though I'm sure it's in the SOPs.
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March 22nd, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM permalink
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I wonder if this player was a passer-by, or if it was some highly valued regular. If the latter, I can understand the walking on eggshells (even though I would still ultimately give the correct ruling). If the former, I go with the "Incorrect, play continues" response, and if the player makes a scene, he can be shown the exit

Incidentally, I routinely see players ask if they can get paid for both their straight and their flush on Pai Gow, but not once have I seen someone make a scene about it. And no, the "highest payout only" rule is not posted anywhere, though I'm sure it's in the SOPs.



It was in the $5 pit so probably no high value player. This pit has the only H17 tables in the entire casino. I think there are five of them. The $5 minimums are never increased.

They'll just add a sign clarifying the rules of the side bet.
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March 22nd, 2015 at 3:06:21 PM permalink
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I wonder if this player was a passer-by, or if it was some highly valued regular. If the latter, I can understand the walking on eggshells (even though I would still ultimately give the correct ruling). If the former, I go with the "Incorrect, play continues" response, and if the player makes a scene, he can be shown the exit

Incidentally, I routinely see players ask if they can get paid for both their straight and their flush on Pai Gow, but not once have I seen someone make a scene about it. And no, the "highest payout only" rule is not posted anywhere, though I'm sure it's in the SOPs.



I had the reverse situation occur in Reno. One player had a straight flush and another had a royal in the same hand (neither was me, unfortunately) and I said, "Sweet! I get $70 for the Envy!" Dealer said she was pretty sure only the highest would be paid and floor said he had to check and made a phone call WTF. (All envious players did eventually get both bonuses but I thought it was ridiculous that that wouldn't be the case).
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March 22nd, 2015 at 3:46:24 PM permalink
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I had the reverse situation occur in Reno. One player had a straight flush and another had a royal in the same hand (neither was me, unfortunately) and I said, "Sweet! I get $70 for the Envy!" Dealer said she was pretty sure only the highest would be paid and floor said he had to check and made a phone call WTF. (All envious players did eventually get both bonuses but I thought it was ridiculous that that wouldn't be the case).


We had a similar discussion once. We had always paid all the envies, but we had one pit boss who insisted that only the highest one would get paid. After double-checking the SOPs, we confirmed that all envies paid.

It's possible he was misinterpreting a posted rule on Texas Shootout. On that game, the signage actually stipulates that only the highest payout per hand is awarded. He likely interpreted that to pertain to envies as well.
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March 22nd, 2015 at 3:57:41 PM permalink
Intuitively to me, Envy bets are different in that the two pays are coming from two separate other player hands (as opposed one hand containing two pay events).
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March 23rd, 2015 at 10:19:48 AM permalink
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Intuitively to me, Envy bets are different in that the two pays are coming from two separate other player hands (as opposed one hand containing two pay events).



+1.
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