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BleedingChipsSlowly
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September 10th, 2018 at 3:26:47 PM permalink
InBet Gaming's description of the game includes a button to view the multi-level game pay-table, which includes major/minor progressives. Perhaps what you are seeing is a guaranteed minimum for one or both progressives. Just speculation.

Maybe there is something else going on. It seems InBet Gaming is not keeping their site up to date. At least there is no mention of Super4 at Springfield MGM on their game locations page, and darkoz has reported the game is there.
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September 10th, 2018 at 4:12:31 PM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

InBet Gaming's description of the game includes a button to view the multi-level game pay-table, which includes major/minor progressives. Perhaps what you are seeing is a guaranteed minimum for one or both progressives. Just speculation.

Maybe there is something else going on. It seems InBet Gaming is not keeping their site up to date. At least there is no mention of Super4 at Springfield MGM on their game locations page, and darkoz has reported the game is there.



The game was there with whats called Stax Progressive attached

I can confirm the bottom level was a must hit by $500

The way it was described to me the must hit rises with every wager and can hit at any time. Anyone with the wager on when it hits wins even if the dealer doesnt have blackjack

I believe the must hit was table specific while all the other progressives were shared with the other tables

Everyone would win at that particular table only. I didnt ask if it was split or every one got the amount shown.

The top progressive royal flush with diamonds was up to $92,000
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September 12th, 2018 at 4:07:48 PM permalink
In Bet is not distributing the progressive game, it is now handled by AGS.

There is a playable demo at

http://playags.com/Super4BJ/
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December 8th, 2018 at 10:18:22 PM permalink
please explain your excel graph. you can PM if you like. IS there a count a count you use with the progressive side bet
BleedingChipsSlowly
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December 9th, 2018 at 12:19:52 AM permalink
I developed a simulation to test the expected value (EV) of Super 4 Progressive side bets based on the static pay table for the bet relative to shoe penetration. The purpose was to determine how often shoes present a positive EV independent of the jackpot meter and at what penetration that occurs. The graph presents my findings. In summary, there is almost no chance of an +EV shoe for the first third of shoe play, rising to a 9% chance at 75% penetration.

Had I continued work on this, the next step would have been to determine what shoe compositions presented +EV situations, then develop a method to detect those +EV situations during play. That is, to come up with the counting method you ask about.

I did not develop a counting method. I believe one could be developed. The base game has deteriorated at the places I visit and they no longer offer a game I will play. That given, it is doubtful I will ever follow through on the work I first intended to do.
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May 2nd, 2019 at 5:13:56 AM permalink
I noticed another pay table for the Super 4 at the Maryland Live casino. I call is "version 4" in my Super 4 page.

Bleeding, I'd love to discuss your work on that sometime.
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July 6th, 2019 at 10:02:08 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

... Bleeding, I'd love to discuss your work on that sometime.

I would be happy to do so. Expect a PM shortly.

Super4 has morphed since this thread was started. To begin with, even though In Bet Gaming still lists Super4 as an offereing it seems the product has been sold or perhaps licensed to AGS, a company with headquarters in Las Vegas and offices in four other states and four other countries.

The AGS Super4 offering has converted payouts for trips and straights to two separate progressive jackpots. This negates analysis I have done of the side bet, so I'm intending this post to sort of close this thread I started.

But wait, there's more! AGS also offers a multi-level progressive jackpot add-on called STAX that can be applied to Super4 and other side bets. I have started this thread, Super4 STAX Progressives, to discuss that product as it applies to Super4.
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