miplet
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January 13th, 2014 at 12:44:46 PM permalink
Match'em HI LO is a card game I seen mentioned in the Casino Chip of the Day thread.
Card values are:
2-10: face value
Face: 0 points
Ace: 1 in the LO hand and 11 in the HI hand
The player gets 3 cards and decided if his hand will be lower than the dealer's LO hand or higher than the dealer's HI hand. They are also given the option to double their bet.
The dealer gets 5 cards and makes the lowest 3 card LO hand. The dealer's HI hand consists of the other 2 cards plus the highest card (an Ace if there was one) from the LO hand.
Player wins even money if he choose to play the HI hand if his total is higher or equal to the dealer's HI hand.
Player wins even money if he choose to play the LO hand if his total is lower or equal to the dealer's LO hand.
(I suck at explaining things. However there is a rules section on their website that explains it better.)
According to the game section, the basic strategy is:
LO: 12 or less; Double 3 or less
HI: 13 or more; Double 25 or more

My analysis for 6 decks is:
LO: 13 or less ; Double 6 or less
HI: 14 or more ; Double 22 or more
With 1 ace: Play LO with 8 or less
With 2 Aces: Play LO with 3rd card of Face or 2
With 3 Aces: Play in HI for win, duh!
(There are 3 composition doubles in single deck: two 9's and 3; a 2, 9,and 10; a face card, ace,and 10. Two aces and a 2 should be played HI in single deck)

HandPaysProbabilityReturn
Win Double20.22590191650.451803833
Win10.19061241240.1906124124
Lose-10.498586761-0.498586761
Lose Double-20.08489891012-0.1697978202
Total1-0.02596833582

House Edge: 2.596833582%
Average Bet: 1.310800827
Element of Risk: 1.981104627%

There are also two side bets:
Match'Em Bonus: based on the number of dealer cards that match yours
MatchesProbabilityPaysReturn
50.00040111450871000.04011145087
40.007557697596250.1889424399
30.0566301872940.2265207491
20.212662978210.2126629782
10.4049290475-1-0.4049290475
00.3178189749-1-0.3178189749
Total1-0.0545104043



Poker Bonus: Based on your 3 card poker hand
HandPaysProbabilityReturn
Trips Suited1000.00020744736020.02074473602
Straight Flush250.0020680906070.05170226517
Trips150.0050409708540.0756145628
Straight40.03102135910.1240854364
Suited Pair30.044808629810.1344258894
Flush20.047221402180.09444280437
Pair10.16131106730.1613110673
Loser-10.7083210328-0.7083210328
Total1-0.04599427126


Hopefully I have no typos and/or brainos, but I've been having a lot of those lately. This is my 1000th post. I'm saving my bingo related one for a more important number like 1024.
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January 13th, 2014 at 12:51:41 PM permalink
" I'm saving my bingo related one for a more important number like 1024. "

My Uncle is a bingo caller. He had health issues that caused him to miss work last week.. The biopsy results came in today.
Luckily, it was B9.
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January 13th, 2014 at 1:11:02 PM permalink
Miplet, Why with more aces in your hand do you need a lower total to play the hand low? I would think that would mean less aces for the dealer to make his low hand.
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January 13th, 2014 at 1:44:49 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Miplet, Why with more aces in your hand do you need a lower total to play the hand low? I would think that would mean less aces for the dealer to make his low hand.


There are still quite a few ways for the dealer to beat you: 3 face cards. Even Ace, Ace, Face will lose to a dealer Face, Face , Face a little over 17.3% of the time.
Ace, Ace, 3 lose 37.8% of the time in the LO, but only 23.2% in the HI.
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January 13th, 2014 at 2:15:42 PM permalink
Excellent 1000th post, sir!

And it looks like you disagree with their strategy...wonder what the edge on that would be.
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January 14th, 2014 at 9:52:54 AM permalink
You beat me to the punch on this game. An acquaintance of mine invented this game, it is currently being played in Waterloo, IA at the Isle of Capri casino. It's an extremely popular game there now and my god is it fun as ever to sit and play. I go 12 and up is high, but honestly I look for pairs plus and matching more than anything.
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January 14th, 2014 at 10:19:58 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

Match'em HI LO is a card game I seen mentioned in the Casino Chip of the Day thread.
Card values are:
2-10: face value
Face: 0 points
Ace: 1 in the LO hand and 11 in the HI hand



I get no respect -_-

Quote: miplet

This is my 1000th post. I'm saving my bingo related one for a more important number like 1024.



Graphics designer?
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January 14th, 2014 at 10:52:27 AM permalink
This is totally my kind of game. Kudos to whoever invented it. Nice work!
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January 14th, 2014 at 11:07:40 AM permalink
Excellent work as always Miplet!

Game has been at the Raving Conference the last two years and James & Daryl are both really good guys! No podium placements for them either year, but the game is easy to understand and something different to play. If the Waterloo placement continues to do well, hopefully they will get some traction for additional installs.

42% hit rate on main bet works very well, would like to see an EOR between 1.25%-1.5%, but under 2% shouldn't be too much of a difference to the player.

Nice hit rates on the side bets with reasonable house edges for bets that can pay 100-1.

There is a lot going for this game if enough players can get beyond "its not BJ or Poker". Waterloo and additional installs will give the boys an answer and I wish them well.
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January 14th, 2014 at 1:47:52 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Excellent 1000th post, sir!

And it looks like you disagree with their strategy...wonder what the edge on that would be.


I don't like the fact that my strategy is different. Makes me think I have a typo and/or braino somewhere.
Quote: Doubledown21

You beat me to the punch on this game. An acquaintance of mine invented this game, it is currently being played in Waterloo, IA at the Isle of Capri casino. It's an extremely popular game there now and my god is it fun as ever to sit and play. I go 12 and up is high, but honestly I look for pairs plus and matching more than anything.


Glad to hear it's popular there. Even the basic strategy on their website suggests putting 12 in the low.
2,3,7 HI wins 7.3% HO wins 16.6%
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Quote: miplet

Match'em HI LO is a card game I seen mentioned in the Casino Chip of the Day thread.
Card values are:
2-10: face value
Face: 0 points
Ace: 1 in the LO hand and 11 in the HI hand



I get no respect -_-

Quote: miplet

This is my 1000th post. I'm saving my bingo related one for a more important number like 1024.



Graphics designer?


Think of it like golf. 0 is good in the LO hand. 1024 is a math thing. 2^10
Quote: Paradigm

Excellent work as always Miplet!

Game has been at the Raving Conference the last two years and James & Daryl are both really good guys! No podium placements for them either year, but the game is easy to understand and something different to play. If the Waterloo placement continues to do well, hopefully they will get some traction for additional installs.

42% hit rate on main bet works very well, would like to see an EOR between 1.25%-1.5%, but under 2% shouldn't be too much of a difference to the player.

Nice hit rates on the side bets with reasonable house edges for bets that can pay 100-1.

There is a lot going for this game if enough players can get beyond "its not BJ or Poker". Waterloo and additional installs will give the boys an answer and I wish them well.


Hopefully one of these "its not BJ or Poker" game does good.

Google doc has all the data. And for those who are really bored, php file used to create the data. (Yes I suck at adding comments and using readable variable names.)
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January 15th, 2014 at 10:11:22 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

Google doc has all the data. And for those who are really bored, php file used to create the data. (Yes I suck at adding comments and using readable variable names.)



Nice! Any other code you'd like to share? Interesting you are using PHP.
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January 31st, 2014 at 3:23:15 PM permalink
In the event of an Ace, Ace, 2, I noticed on your GoogleDoc that there is almost no difference between going Hi or LO. (Both odds of winning are right around 70%) For a 6 deck game, I was wondering if you could tell me what difference it is going to make if I had a count on the number of 0 point cards (J's, Q's, K's) and aces that have already been played?

Also, If I had a running count of how many 0 point cards and aces that have been played throughout the game, at what times will that change the basic strategy you have come up with above? Basically, I guess I am asking if you could come up with a count system for this game that would let me know when I have the biggest advantage?
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January 31st, 2014 at 4:16:04 PM permalink
Quote: jopke



Nice! Any other code you'd like to share? Interesting you are using PHP.


PHP is my crutch. Still trying to get the hang of c++. I'll look around to see if there is any other code that I might share.

Quote: Konstantine26

In the event of an Ace, Ace, 2, I noticed on your GoogleDoc that there is almost no difference between going Hi or LO. (Both odds of winning are right around 70%) For a 6 deck game, I was wondering if you could tell me what difference it is going to make if I had a count on the number of 0 point cards (J's, Q's, K's) and aces that have already been played?

Also, If I had a running count of how many 0 point cards and aces that have been played throughout the game, at what times will that change the basic strategy you have come up with above? Basically, I guess I am asking if you could come up with a count system for this game that would let me know when I have the biggest advantage?


Good questions. I'd have to modify my program. I'm not sure how long that will take.
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