AceCrAAckers
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June 12th, 2012 at 6:42:23 PM permalink
Question for the forum.

Who pays for the table signs? The casinos that I have dealt with pay for their own felts, but what kind of arrangements are there about the table signs. The last one I bought cost about 900 with SH.
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June 12th, 2012 at 6:48:56 PM permalink
A few dealers have had to pay for the 5.00 limit signs that go into the table edge slots. Sometimes a frustrated and tip-less dealer and the end of his shift has been known to take out his frustration on the 5.00 dollar signs and been forced to pay the replacement cost after getting a write-up for destruction of casino property.
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June 12th, 2012 at 6:55:05 PM permalink
I was talking more about the big signs that are usually lighted. These are the signs on tables advertising the proprietary games. Donít have deep pockets so I want to find out what the industry norm is.
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June 12th, 2012 at 7:41:25 PM permalink
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June 12th, 2012 at 8:06:57 PM permalink
My experience has been that for new games on trial, the inventor pays for the table sign and the property pays for their custom layout.
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June 12th, 2012 at 8:28:06 PM permalink
On commercial casino products, the signage costs are a covered part of the game's rental fee.
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June 12th, 2012 at 10:17:45 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

On commercial casino products, the signage costs are a covered part of the game's rental fee.



Dan, does that mean the distributor normally provides the sign and in theory builds the cost into the rental fee?

What if the property uses uniform signs throughout the property that are distinct to that property. I think Wynn properties are this way where the signage from game to game looks exactly the same with just the name of the game on the sign....no logos. I would assume in this type of arrangement, Wynn would want control of the sign and have their vendor make it.
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June 12th, 2012 at 10:47:02 PM permalink
The distributor works with the parameters of the vendor, but the distributor controls the artwork of the product.

Some signs are flat-screen monitors displaying graphics screens now (EZ Baccarat, EZ Pai Gow), instead of the old style "lighted-edge" signs. Obviously nothing derogatory to the operator will be present in any artwork, the graphic screens display the product logo, progressive jackpot info, and bonus paytable info. There is no reason for the end operator to micro-manage this end of the product, and a distributor has a right to oversee quality control of its trademarked images and logos, etc. Seldom is there an issue.
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June 12th, 2012 at 10:49:35 PM permalink
I don't know the "norms" but will state that casinos here in PA have standard min/max signage and IIRC they even show the game. If you mean the "big" sign like the one that stands tall and says "Let-it-Die", er, "Let-it-Ride" I would assume you would negotiate that as part of the rent since they cannot use it if the game is pulled. Naturally they will want something that fits the charachter of the joint, and what fits size-and-style wise at the Wynn may not fit at Paris.

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June 12th, 2012 at 11:37:13 PM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

Question for the forum.

Who pays for the table signs? The casinos that I have dealt with pay for their own felts, but what kind of arrangements are there about the table signs. The last one I bought cost about 900 with SH.



It's your call but in general the signs are included as part of the deal to the casino (as well as the felts in a lot of cases). I usually word my license to include a free table sign but any additional signs are paid for by the casino. I do this as normally, by the 2nd table, the casino are relatively happy with the performance of the game.

$900 seems a lot to pay for a sign unless you are buying them one at a time. I generally pay around $400/$450 although I order in batches of 10 (think positive :-) ).
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June 13th, 2012 at 12:01:51 PM permalink
At the Casino I work at the vendor provides the sign and we pay a one time payment for it on the first bill.

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June 13th, 2012 at 5:40:30 PM permalink
Thanks to all who replied. I have something in the pipeline that if it gets installed, I would like to ask x dollars or x+50 dollars if they do not want to pay for the sign. Should I give them a choice or should I make them pay a one time payment for it on the first bill? If they should take the game out, I could offer to buy back the sign.

Shoe string buget, but I will do what is the industry norn unless there is no norm.
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June 18th, 2012 at 7:00:01 AM permalink
I usually pay for the first one. BTW, I want to offload 3-4 new high quality signages made by a Canadian company. You can get the stand, frame and lit edge from me and just order the custom acrylics (12"-14") from the manufacturer. All of standard sizes. You may save some money. PM me if interested.
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June 18th, 2012 at 8:22:39 AM permalink
For field trial games, the game maker provides it.

For more permanent games, usually the game maker still provides it. However, some casinos, like the Venetian, prefer to have the same font and style on all their signs, so they do their own.
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