SOOPOO
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February 28th, 2024 at 8:11:40 AM permalink
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I just read your first post on the other thread. Seems like youíve been able to make 6 figures with just one account? Quite impressive. Iím still guessing you wonít be getting anyone to send you their bank statements, stuff redacted or not.

I stand by my initial thought. Let a trusted person like Wizard in on Ďthe secretí, and if he vouches for you, you may get a ton of interest.
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No that wasn't all with one account.
Whether "the secret" works or not is irrelevant to this thread, I don't see why anyone participating would care particularly so long as they get paid, I also don't really see substantial risk to anyone participating.
I feel like I've said "I'm not discussing how my technique works" enough times now.
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Thatís your right. Everyone ignoring your request is their right.
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I generally like SOOPOO's posts, but this interaction bothers me. Although I was originally suspicious of a new poster, I now believe DOB's story. You don't know what kind of stupid mistakes are out there in the online world until you spend time online looking at as many games as possible. I certainly would not advise DOB to share the details of his play with the Wizard. If the game is throwing off significant cash flow, DOB doesn't need confirmation from Mike. Even if Mike can be trusted with really valuable information about one game, just the information about what kind of vulnerabilities exist might leak out in Mike's writings or conversations with other APs. What benefit would DOB get from risking this? "Whether "the secret" works or not is irrelevant to this thread...".

If someone takes DOB up on his offer and gets paid without revealing any personal information, then they would be able to tell others how it worked out and whether they thought it was worth the time and potential risk of participating. That person would not know or care if DOB is making money on the fake account or not.

I have interacted with DOB via PM. I have not asked him about his method, and I would not expect him to tell me if I was crass enough to ask. I have secret plays that I have only shared with my immediate family. Opportunities are constantly disappearing in the online world. I presume this is because too many AP's figured them out and started hammering them. One of the reasons I tend to believe DOB is that his main motivation is trying to preserve the opportunity by spreading his play around. I can relate.

There are only a few people on this forum who claim to be making bank online. I am glad DOBSSN joined the forum.
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Thatís your right to not like my Ďinteractioní with another poster. I forgot you were my mommy.

My point is I will find it stunning if anyone acquiesces to ĎI can crush the casinos but I need you to send me redacted bank statementsí. Help me!

I too am happy the DOB SSN has joined the forum. I am wary of his claim, though not nearly to the point of dismissing it. I would certainly be concerned about abetting someone whose intent is to make phony online bank accounts to deceive online casinos. What could go wrong there?
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February 28th, 2024 at 8:25:37 AM permalink
No one around here knows more about creating bank accounts than I do, personal, corporate, brick and mortar, online. I know exactly what needs to be supplied, I do this all the time for clients who are both in the U.S. and abroad. Anyone who knows anything about this knows that if you are able to create bank accounts in a country where the account holder doesn't even have a physical presence, that you are beyond an expert in the matter. I can do this for someone who is for example in the U.S., in a foreign country, or for someone who is in a foreign country, who needs a U.S. bank account. I can do this at banks that have rigid policies against that sort of thing. All legal, just...have to be nimble and innovative.

I also know a service here in the U.S. where its owner knows almost as much as I do, I send clients there when I don't have time to deal with it or the pay isn't high enough for me.

In other words, what you are trying to do may be completely unnecessary. YOU might be able to have all the bank accounts you want, anywhere, with the right connections and knowhow. The proper corporate or other entity angle allows the account effectively to be in any name, if that is an issue.

But...what are you asking for here DOBSSN you want investors to send you money "and then you will pay them back handsomely" or you teach peeps what to do and then you hope that they send you a cut? It seems like mostly the latter, but still - That's where the problem lies, TRUST between parties who know each other only online.
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February 28th, 2024 at 8:36:20 AM permalink
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But...what are you asking for here DOBSSN you want investors to send you money "and then you will pay them back handsomely" or you teach peeps what to do and then you hope that they send you a cut? It seems like mostly the latter, but still - That's where the problem lies, TRUST between parties who know each other only online.
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DOBSSN (to me at least!) has made it clear he is NOT asking for investors, rather, he just wants to pay you a defined ( negotiated?) amount for redacted bank statements.

Free legal adviceÖ??? If you knowingly send these redacted statements to someone whose intent is to use them to defraud another entity, are you at any risk?
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February 28th, 2024 at 8:50:29 AM permalink
All right then, I didn't read the thread.

I thought he needed actual bank accounts to which casinos will send funds.

To analyze the risk - WHY does he need those statements? What will he do with them?
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February 28th, 2024 at 9:14:12 AM permalink
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All right then, I didn't read the thread.

I thought he needed actual bank accounts to which casinos will send funds.

To analyze the risk - WHY does he need those statements? What will he do with them?
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To paraphrase yourself, go read the thread. :-P
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February 28th, 2024 at 9:30:37 AM permalink
I must have been looking at the wrong thread because I was using the Search word function for "bank" and coming up empty.

Just call me AxelWolf.
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February 28th, 2024 at 9:34:13 AM permalink
I don't deal with online casinos.

Is the issue that these casinos are like the BTC online wallets, where you have to prove that you have financial wherewithal before they will allow substantial sell or transfer limits? But with them bank account (proof of assets) isn't enough, you also need to show where you got the BTC and proof of income.
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February 28th, 2024 at 1:15:21 PM permalink
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I don't deal with online casinos.

Is the issue that these casinos are like the BTC online wallets, where you have to prove that you have financial wherewithal before they will allow substantial sell or transfer limits? But with them bank account (proof of assets) isn't enough, you also need to show where you got the BTC and proof of income.
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Ok. Some more questions answered, although I think they're all repeat answers.

No it's not for SOW/POA, although some casinos will claim that, it is for address verification.

Why not use utility bills? Because most casinos will ask for bank account invoices anyway once you request a reasonable withdrawal.

Why not use stolen data/leaks? 1. I don't want to scam anyone aside from the casinos, 2. I cannot be sure of the quality of the documents

Why not use templates? Again I cannot trust the quality, I do not trust templates to pass verification, indeed I can detect them easily. Someone doubted my ability to do that but I'm happy to send the wizard a PM showing how I can easily do so to verify.

Why the fixation on quality? Each account I use needs to be setup, made to look real, funded and then the technique used which is time consuming, if I lose an account because the documents don't pass KYC I have wasted money, and more importantly time, which I don't have an abundance of.

Why do you need many accounts? Because I want to ensure my technique isn't detected as long as possible. It is pretty obvious if the same player makes money for any sustained period of time.

Why do you need other countries documents? See above, it's also suspicious if the casino has a spate of payouts to players in my fairly small country.

What assurance is there this isn't a scam? Because I will allow removal (not redaction, which could be reversed) of personally identifiable information, I really don't see what reasonable suspicion there could be remaining, although I do appreciate there are a lot of scammers out there.

Why are you asking here? As above, there are a lot of scammers out there. I have tried other places but have received nothing but fakes. I figure that since most scammers probably wouldn't think to stalk this particular forum it would be mostly genuine, even sympathetic, users here.

What are you actually paying? Once I find a reliable partner USD$300 for an original statement, USD$250 for an edited one (personal information removed). Why less? Because it's a hassle to reconstruct the formatting and metadata of a PDF without the original to compare to, but it's up to you which you choose.

Is that it? I'm also looking for people to buy SIM cards in those countries. USD$100 + cost for that. It's for one time SMS verification with the casino.
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February 28th, 2024 at 1:33:18 PM permalink
Okay I understand. You need lots of claimed bank accounts not just from different banks but also different accounts from the same bank so that there is little possibility of the casinos' noticing overlap.

Probably the downside is that they will figure out that these are doctored and shut down your accounts, not allow verification, and freeze up any funds that might already be in there. If this verification has to be done simply to open the account, then you don't risk more than just time. If has to be done after the account is funded or it is somehow triggered after it gets to a certain point, then there is a monetary risk to you as well.

Based on if you use these for exactly what you have outlined and nothing else:
I don't really see a downside from the casino for the account owner who supplies you with the documents because they are not going to be able to find that account holder easily since you appear to be assuring that you will place some other person's name on there, and create some new account number, and then it would be difficult to track the actual owner of that account via the list of transactions that I assume you will leave in place on the document? Or do you plan to re-create the entire document all created transactions too?

Typically for most banks that info you will need to change as far as name address account # will be on page 1 of the statement only, and the rest of the pages will be transactions and then a page or two of standard disclosure type stuff. And yes, I get why it will be much easier for you if you receive not redacted documents not just for ease of knowing where to stick the text and match the text sizes and fonts but also to know how many digits account numbers should be, to have something other than nonsensical routing numbers and so on.

It still comes down to trust though. If this is all you are using the statements for, not a big deal. But if you're using them for something more nefarious, then something could come back to the account owner.

It's just not a lot of money for whoever sends you the statements, but in the scheme of these sorts of things $300. is probably fair.

Was it clear that this is where this thread was going? because it's not much different from someone searching for templates for fake IDs and that sort of thing doesn't belong at this forum.
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February 28th, 2024 at 3:01:31 PM permalink
The names, accounts and any other personally identifiable information, including locale in transaction summary will indeed be changed. I have been doing this successfully with my own country, once I worked out how to generate authentic looking data.

There is no reasonable assumption of risk that I can see;
If I wanted to get people's account numbers for some reason (even though it's being removed) I could just get any number of dumps of database leaks available all over the Internet.

USD$300 isn't chump change but I am also hesitant to offer more initially, not because it's not worth it to me IF the person is reliable, but rather I have already wasted thousands trying to source these from people and received nothing but fakes.

I would be open to an agreement with someone that perhaps they get $200 for the first one and then $500 for additional ones later on as they're proven reliable/genuine.

You can usually sign up for free accounts at various banks so you could conceivably be getting quite a tidy sum, especially including ongoing payments for SIMs if you wanted.
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March 15th, 2024 at 12:22:33 AM permalink
Still no takers on this?

To detail why there's no risk to you here is the complete process I propose to ensure your anonymity:

1. You download your statement pdf
2. You use pdfx-change or similar to change your name from John Smith to Aaaa Aaaaa, your account number from 12345678 to NNNNNNNN and any personal transactions like CALIFORNIA Adult Bookstore to LOCATION Business etc
3. As editing the pdf leaves significant evidence of tampering you would need to use exiftool or similar to export the metadata as an .xmp file before editing, you can view this file to verify there is no personal information in it but it is basically stuff like: Producer: PDFwiz 2.2 Date created: 01/03/2024 pdf version: 1.6 unique ID: 1234 etc.
4. If you want maybe I can pay a trusted member here to act as a broker between us, so I send them the money, you send them the file.

If anyone still thinks I'm trying to scam people here or get people's names or bank account numbers, or expose them to other risks please let me know how (or even why) this would allow for it, as I'm being as transparent as possible and am happy to answer any questions (EXCEPT relating to the specifics of how my system works).
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