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August 11th, 2023 at 7:01:29 PM permalink
I've been using Wizard of Odds for years and this bonus poker video poker game from Real Time Gaming has me stumped. I searched everywhere online and I can't find any info on it.

It's missing the Four 5-K payout.

Instead, It has 4 deuces w/ace that pays less than Four 2, 3, or 4s;

Based on 5 coins
Royal Flush. - 4000
Straight Flush - 250
Four Aces - 400
Four 24 - 200
4 deuces w/ace - 125
Full House - 40
Flush - 25
Straight - 20
Three of a Kind - 15
Two Pair - 10
Jacks or Better - 5

I can't post a link but it is the same bonus poker pay table that's used throughout all Real Time Gaming casinos.
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August 11th, 2023 at 7:09:09 PM permalink
Interesting. What is it called? If you message me a link, I'll post it.
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August 12th, 2023 at 7:00:26 AM permalink
The paytable must be incorrect, otherwise what would 55553 pay? Trips? Two Pair?

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August 12th, 2023 at 8:52:58 AM permalink
If this table is based on five coins (1 bet = 5 coin), and if the game is based on the principles of side bet (five cards without change), then if I am not mistaken gambler EV about = ~ -45%
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August 12th, 2023 at 10:47:04 AM permalink
I played many RTG casinos in the past and have never seen that paytable. Things change, so I looked at a few RTG online casinos and their website(not really helpful) I wasn't able to find that payable. Either the OP is mistaken, or someone messed with something, or there's been a big mistake made. A link to the casino is needed.
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August 14th, 2023 at 1:10:26 AM permalink
It's called Bonus Poker by Real Time Gaming. I sent a message via the contact us form.

This RTG "Bonus Poker" video poker game is available at Limitless Casino, Yabi Casino, Casino Extreme, Casino Brango, Crypto Loko, and Bonus Blitz.

You can load up the game at any of these casinos without signing in.
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August 14th, 2023 at 1:57:40 AM permalink


I didn't notice any unusual rules in the help page.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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August 14th, 2023 at 2:33:45 AM permalink
Yes, that's the correct game. The paytable is the same except Limitless Casino pays 400 for 4 Aces.

Notice the paytable is missing, "4 5 through K". Instead it has 4 deuces w/Ace that pay less than 4 2s. Doesn't a four-of-kind with an ace kicker usually pay more not less?

If you hit a 4 of kind 5 through K you get paid nothing.

If you click on the hamburger Nav icon you can view the help file. The help file displays the hand ranks that we're accustomed to for Bonus Poker. The hands in the help file are different than the actual pay table.

The Game Description also mentions different winning hands than the actual paytable.

The casinos didn't notice unusual rules here either. Am I missing something?
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August 14th, 2023 at 3:45:57 AM permalink
Thank you for the pay table.

This one will require some custom coding. I've been having computer problems lately and can't get my compiler to load, so this could take a while. Anyone have a coupon code for DELL? I think it's time for a new computer.
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August 14th, 2023 at 4:32:47 AM permalink
Thank you, guys!
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August 14th, 2023 at 5:45:43 AM permalink
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I didn't notice any unusual rules in the help page.
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I predict the problem is that the text "4 Drives w/Ace" is SUPPOSED to say "4 5's to K's".

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August 14th, 2023 at 12:23:54 PM permalink
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If you hit a 4 of kind 5 through K you get paid nothing.

Do you know this from experience? If so, yikes. I have played a few places where the payouts don't actually match the written paytable.

I know Casino Extreme has offered some +EV bonus situations and they seem to pay out fast. If it's an intentional custom paytable, I'm wondering if that's due to the bonus-heavy casino model.
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August 14th, 2023 at 12:40:10 PM permalink
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If you hit a 4 of kind 5 through K you get paid nothing.



Why would you not at least get paid 3 of a kind?

I just have to think there's some coding error and 4 of a K 5-K isn't listed.

Edit to add: I think DogHand nailed it up above.
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August 14th, 2023 at 5:49:00 PM permalink
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If this table is based on five coins (1 bet = 5 coin), and if the game is based on the principles of side bet (five cards without change), then if I am not mistaken gambler EV about = ~ -45%
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I didn't understand at first. I thought it was a regular side bet, but it's actually a regular video poker - jacks or better. Then in this case, according to my calculation, the EV of this game for the gambler is (5coin) = -6,05%




1 coin = -2,35%




If I not mistake
¯\_(ツ)_/¯


And I also made several simulations of the results of the gambler at a distance of 100 thousand games (assuming that the expected value is -2.35%)

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August 15th, 2023 at 1:24:08 AM permalink
Quote: DogHand

Quote: Dieter



I didn't notice any unusual rules in the help page.
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I predict the problem is that the text "4 Drives w/Ace" is SUPPOSED to say "4 5's to K's".

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Doh!

"Deuces", not "Drives"... I got autocorrupted and didn't notice before posting :-(

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August 16th, 2023 at 6:21:06 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

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If you hit a 4 of kind 5 through K you get paid nothing.

Do you know this from experience? If so, yikes. I have played a few places where the payouts don't actually match the written paytable.

I know Casino Extreme has offered some +EV bonus situations and they seem to pay out fast. If it's an intentional custom paytable, I'm wondering if that's due to the bonus-heavy casino model.
link to original post



Quote: AxelWolf

I played many RTG casinos in the past and have never seen that paytable. Things change, so I looked at a few RTG online casinos and their website(not really helpful) I wasn't able to find that payable. Either the OP is mistaken, or someone messed with something, or there's been a big mistake made. A link to the casino is needed.
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Hi AxelWolf

I have played about 1k hands when I get bored of Jacks or Better. I haven't been able to hit a 4 of kind 5 through K or 4 deuces with an Ace.

The casino can change the payouts. I'm not sure if they can change the winning hands. The winning hands are the same at every Real Time Gaming Casino I've played at.

I'll keep testing Bonus Poker at Limitless Casino.
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