All online gamblers should be aware
"Since we know that our clients come first, we are aware of the fact that you want to invest in a promising business that can generate profit in the long term. Our games use secure random number generators to offer players a fair chance at winning, but the casino software you purchase will allow you to set custom payout rate for all the games. Furthermore, our backend software comes with a solution that offers you the possibility to adjust the “hit frequency” of your games. This option lets you decide if you want your clients to be rewarded with small wins at short intervals of time, or with big wins at longer intervals. You can also set the “hit frequency” for the games that are presented in “Play for Fun” mode. This way, you will reveal more game features to your customers, like bonuses, and you will attract them to play in “Play for Real” mode."
There is no such thing as fair gambling online. Every major software company offers these features. If after reading that you still want to gamble online that's your choice you've been informed.
- The operator can select the RTP for the game themes.
- The operator can select if they prefer to offer high volatility or low volatility versions of a game theme
None of that seems outrageous, but I'm probably missing something.
Quote: DieterI read that paragraph to mean that:
- The operator can select the RTP for the game themes.
- The operator can select if they prefer to offer high volatility or low volatility versions of a game theme
None of that seems outrageous, but I'm probably missing something.
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That is my take as well.
"our backend software comes with a solution that offers you the possibility to adjust the “hit frequency” of your games."
What else does the backend software allow them to do?
Why call it backend software?
Quote: rainmanThis is the area of concern.
"our backend software comes with a solution that offers you the possibility to adjust the “hit frequency” of your games."
What else does the backend software allow them to do?
Why call it backend software?
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In server-based games, there is client software running on the machine to present the game via a screen and collect player input through buttons and panels. The RNG actually runs on the server, also called a back-end machine, and just instructs the client computer what to present to the user.
Online casinos operate the same way. There is a client program running on my PC or device. There is back-end server software running the RNG and determining whether I won and how much. The backend also has to do accounting and logging of each game.
Most US regulated online casinos advertise their process to ensure fairness. Here is a link to the the DK 'Fair and Regulated' page: https://casino.draftkings.com/meet-our-regulators
The online casinos give the RTP for almost every game. It is sometimes in the 'Legal Matters' section. I believe it is a legal requirement that they are honest about these RTPs. I don't care if they can dial volatility up and down. I don't believe they are required to disclose volatility.
Let me ask this, If a casino is cheating, for simplicity lets say its blackjack do you believe that
the software they bought comes with the ability to cheat pick the losing card or more likely
the software was altered after receipt.?
Quote: DanglingFuryI urge anyone thinking about online gambling should read the below paragraph. This comes directly from on of the major casino software companies. If you want the truth just contact them as if your going to purchase the software and ask if you can control payouts. Read the below paragraph carefully, all of them have RNGs built in, but they don't have to use them.
"Since we know that our clients come first, we are aware of the fact that you want to invest in a promising business that can generate profit in the long term. Our games use secure random number generators to offer players a fair chance at winning, but the casino software you purchase will allow you to set custom payout rate for all the games. Furthermore, our backend software comes with a solution that offers you the possibility to adjust the “hit frequency” of your games. This option lets you decide if you want your clients to be rewarded with small wins at short intervals of time, or with big wins at longer intervals. You can also set the “hit frequency” for the games that are presented in “Play for Fun” mode. This way, you will reveal more game features to your customers, like bonuses, and you will attract them to play in “Play for Real” mode."
There is no such thing as fair gambling online. Every major software company offers these features. If after reading that you still want to gamble online that's your choice you've been informed.
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Those are the same settings or machine options land based slots offer.
ZCore13
https://www.casinowebscripts.com/about.html
These guys are low credibility developers from eastern Europe to operate on the unregulated grey market
Assuming that a casino is knowingly cheating, it has to be with software they altered themselves or with the help of a contractor.Quote: rainmanThats a good post.
Let me ask this, If a casino is cheating, for simplicity lets say its blackjack do you believe that
the software they bought comes with the ability to cheat pick the losing card or more likely
the software was altered after receipt.?
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Let us assume that a giant casino game provider intended to include a 'switch' in their software that turned on 'cheat mode'. The developers/programmers would know about it. The software testing group should discover it if they are doing their job. The sales force would have to know about it in order to profit from it. At least one person at every customer site would need to know about it.
Up to three people can keep a big secret, but only if two of them are dead.
When you say "There is no such thing as fair gambling online." That's simply not true. As pointed out, I think you misunderstand exactly what custom settings the software provider allows actually do. Feel free to explain what those settings do and how it makes online gambling unfair.Quote: DanglingFuryI urge anyone thinking about online gambling should read the below paragraph. This comes directly from on of the major casino software companies. If you want the truth just contact them as if your going to purchase the software and ask if you can control payouts. Read the below paragraph carefully, all of them have RNGs built in, but they don't have to use them.
"Since we know that our clients come first, we are aware of the fact that you want to invest in a promising business that can generate profit in the long term. Our games use secure random number generators to offer players a fair chance at winning, but the casino software you purchase will allow you to set custom payout rate for all the games. Furthermore, our backend software comes with a solution that offers you the possibility to adjust the “hit frequency” of your games. This option lets you decide if you want your clients to be rewarded with small wins at short intervals of time, or with big wins at longer intervals. You can also set the “hit frequency” for the games that are presented in “Play for Fun” mode. This way, you will reveal more game features to your customers, like bonuses, and you will attract them to play in “Play for Real” mode."
There is no such thing as fair gambling online. Every major software company offers these features. If after reading that you still want to gamble online that's your choice you've been informed.
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I can see a situation where they could misuse the RTP settings and lower the payback while some high roller is in the middle of playing. If that's even possible, I don't know what the settings allow or what the legality of that is.
For those who don't know, there's a big difference between State regulated online casinos and offshore nonregulated casinos. When it comes to nonregulated online casinos, play at your own risk, because ANYTHING GOES. I don't care how good their reputation is, even places like Bovada/Bodogs have had major issues.
BetOnline has had a fairly good reputation for the most part. Sure, there's been some shenanigans occasionally... including this latest innocent. https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/business-columns/inside-gaming/canadian-gambler-files-suit-over-220k-jackpot-2777187/
Heres a link to their "backend" software to whomever wants to skim through it i have not yet. Skim and then judge. Even if its a shady provider its still cool as hell to look into their practices.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150320112304/https://www.casinowebscripts.com/doc/backend.pdf
Another is the latest version of Invaders from the Planet Moolah. Pay extra for better cows.
Nor is there anything random about setting a max win amount, regardless of what's bet.
Also, in my original post it appears most missed the "but" statement after the RNG paragraph. That's why I said to read it carefully.
Who said they can set it to zero?Quote: DanglingFuryThank you for confirming with that behind the scenes link. Nothing random about being able to set it to zero, so nobody can win.
Nor is there anything random about setting a max win amount, regardless of what's bet.
Also, in my original post it appears most missed the "but" statement after the RNG paragraph. That's why I said to read it carefully.
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https://www.casinowebscripts.com/about.html
Quote: EvenBobThis is why I only play roulette and Baccarat online that have live dealers. Can beat the live dealer games and I can never ever beat any of the RNG games that are run by a computer, believe me I have tried enough times and it always ends up the same. When you know how to beat a game it's easy to tell whether or not it's legitimate when you test it. By live dealer I mean a dealer that actually throws the ball not somebody with a microphone that's talking to an airball roulette machine. I can never beat those because they are computer run.
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Bob it would be super easy to rig a human dealt live wheel you can gaff any game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PGasgpAJ1o
I am quite sure you have this backwards. The RNG games are the most honest games in a regulated casino, and I am sure Michigan has approved games from reputable game providers.Quote: EvenBobThis is why I only play roulette and Baccarat online that have live dealers. Can beat the live dealer games and I can never ever beat any of the RNG games that are run by a computer, believe me I have tried enough times and it always ends up the same. When you know how to beat a game it's easy to tell whether or not it's legitimate when you test it. By live dealer I mean a dealer that actually throws the ball not somebody with a microphone that's talking to an airball roulette machine. I can never beat those because they are computer run.
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The industry has developed safety measures to ensure that the software that has been approved is the software that is running. It is easy to test the RNG and the decision software in a game trillions of time to make sure it gives the intended RTP. If you test a dealer 100 times and he knows he is being tested, you will never know what tricks he has when he is not being scrutinized.
My theory is that you cannot win on RNG games because you have not figured out how to win on any casino games. It really isn't that hard to beat casinos.
Quote: EvenBobThis is why I only play roulette and Baccarat online that have live dealers. Can beat the live dealer games
now you're beating baccarat too - I don't recall reading that before
you've bragged about beating roulette prolly more than 200 times on this forum
I don't think anybody here believes it - or maybe just one person does
for amusement I sometimes try to figure out what you get out of this
that last for a few seconds - and then I realize I'm just wasting my time
.
Quote: Mental
My theory is that you cannot win on RNG games because you have not figured out how to win on any casino games. It really isn't that hard to beat casinos.
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If you can be at the RNG games on a consistent basis and come away a winner overall my hats off to you because I can't do it. I can only beat the live dealer games that are played fairly. And yes a live game could be rigged but these platforms that sell their services to hundreds and hundreds of casinos go out of their way to make sure they're dealing a fair game because if they didn't they would just be screwing themselves. They don't care if the customer wins or loses because the casino is their customer and the casino wants a fair game.
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBobThis is why I only play roulette and Baccarat online that have live dealers. Can beat the live dealer games
now you're beating baccarat too - I don't recall reading that
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That's because you're not paying attention. I have talked about bac for years and that I can beat it when it's playing my game but because it's only one stream it very seldom is. What's the difference if anybody here believes it, what does that have to do with anything.
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Can beat the live dealer games.
What's the difference if anybody here believes it, what does that have to do with anything.
I think the Wizard prides himself on putting out very accurate info about gambling
as do many others here
and then here's your unproven and impossible claims
right alongside other very accurate info
imo your bragging about beating roulette hundreds of times in an impossible manner harms the overall image of the forum
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Now I understand. The games where I experienced losing sessions were not fair. All of my sessions on fair games resulted in wins. So it appears that I am crushing the fair games with a 100% success rate.Quote: EvenBobQuote: Mental
My theory is that you cannot win on RNG games because you have not figured out how to win on any casino games. It really isn't that hard to beat casinos.
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If you can be at the RNG games on a consistent basis and come away a winner overall my hats off to you because I can't do it. I can only beat the live dealer games that are played fairly. And yes a live game could be rigged but these platforms that sell their services to hundreds and hundreds of casinos go out of their way to make sure they're dealing a fair game because if they didn't they would just be screwing themselves. They don't care if the customer wins or loses because the casino is their customer and the casino wants a fair game.
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I an waiting for Richard Munchkin to interview me for the next edition of "Gambling Wizards: Conversations with the World's Greatest Gamblers"?
Quote: lilredrooster
your unproven and impossible claims
right alongside other very accurate info
imo your bragging about beating roulette hundreds of times in an impossible manner harms the overall image of the forum
Hundreds of times, it might be thousands of times. Or it will be before I'm done. I just got done playing and winning online a few minutes ago, and they even paid me. Not on RNG's, I can never win on those.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster
your unproven and impossible claims
right alongside other very accurate info
imo your bragging about beating roulette hundreds of times in an impossible manner harms the overall image of the forum
Hundreds of times, it might be thousands of times. Or it will be before I'm done. I just got done playing and winning online a few minutes ago, and they even paid me. Not on RNG's, I can never win on those.
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Bob you keep repeating yourself.
Quote: EvenBobThis is why I only play roulette and Baccarat online that have live dealers. Can beat the live dealer games
gambler bragging about unproven and impossible system or method
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Quote: rainman
Bob you keep repeating yourself.
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Who better to repeat them myself. Would you prefer I repeated you?
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBobThis is why I only play roulette and Baccarat online that have live dealers. Can beat the live dealer games
gambler bragging about unproven and impossible system or method
It's pretty pathetic that people think taking advantage of patterns and trends is impossible.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainman
Bob you keep repeating yourself.
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Who better to repeat them myself. Would you prefer I repeated you?
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No, you don't want to start repeating me people will think your an idiot trust me.
I was just trying to save you some time we all know your claims we all know
you can't or won't provide any evidence for the claims and most don't believe
you so why keep making it? Are you so starved for attention even negative feels
good.
Quote: rainmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: rainman
Bob you keep repeating yourself.
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Who better to repeat them myself. Would you prefer I repeated you?
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No, you don't want to start repeating me people will think your an idiot trust me.
I was just trying to save you some time we all know your claims we all know
you can't or won't provide any evidence for the claims and most don't believe
you so why keep making it? Are you so starved for attention even negative feels
good.
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So when I talk about roulette I should just pretend that I don't beat it? It's not that I repeat it it's just that you don't want to hear it.
Even more pathetic.Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBobThis is why I only play roulette and Baccarat online that have live dealers. Can beat the live dealer games
gambler bragging about unproven and impossible system or method
It's pretty pathetic that people think taking advantage of patterns and trends is impossible.
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People who think they can use patterns and trends to beat roulette.
Quote: AxelWolf
People who think they can use patterns and trends to beat roulette.
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You've never even tried it so how would you know. Somebody told you it couldn't be done so of course you believe everything they tell you. It's actually fantastically easy if you just put the time into it that it takes to learn it. But once you learn it it's like riding a bicycle, you never forget. It's like that puzzle that says find the face of the old man in the tree, once you see his face you cannot unsee it. Once you figure out the trick of using trends and patterns you see them everywhere. I can show you a pattern and you wouldn't even see it until I explained it to you. All you see is the simple ones, the ones everybody with an untrained eye sees. It's far more complicated than that. And I see new ones all the time. Right now I'm learning how to anticipate patterns which I've never done before. I always wait till they're manifesting but it turns out in many circumstances I don't have to wait. But I'm probably full of crap so just ignore me, LOL..
I never tried to jump off the top of The Empire State BuildingQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
People who think they can use patterns and trends to beat roulette.
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You've never even tried it so how would you know.
hit the ground and survive either, I'm going to take scientific and math's word for it.
Quote: AxelWolfI never tried to jump off the top of The Empire State BuildingQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
People who think they can use patterns and trends to beat roulette.
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You've never even tried it so how would you know.
hit the ground and survive either, I'm going to take scientific and math's word for it.
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It's exactly as I said, somebody told you you couldn't do it so of course you believe them. I was extremely lucky because the very first time I looked at roulette it was playing my game and I didn't even know it. If it hadn't been I never would have looked at it again. So the next time I played virtually all I did was lose because it obviously was not playing my game but it took me a long time to realize that. It was a huge amount of work but worth it in the end. I've always said gamblers are extremely lazy as you just showed with your comment. You'd much rather take somebody else's word then see if it's really true yourself. Gamblers always want everything given to them on a platter because that's why they gamble, to get something for nothing. They also want to learn it for nothing. So what they end up with is nothing.
Okay I'm going to intervene. We have (at least) two other threads about EvenBob and his claims on beating roulette, and the inability of EB and Wizard to agree on a way to test EB's performance on online roulette. To bring up those topics in this thread is a hijack of this thread especially when you persist here with multiple posts containing taunting and confrontational arguments.
Warning: If you continue to hijack this thread with discussions of EvenBob's claims about betting roulette and the inability to find a method for a third-party test of those claims, then you will be in jeopardy of a suspension for hijacking this thread. Move any further comments to one of the original threads.
If you wish to post disagreement or comments about this warning, do it in the "Discussion of the Suspension List" thread. Warning: Do not post comments here in this thread about any of the warnings in this post, otherwise you may be subject to a suspension for hijacking.
These warnings apply to EvenBob as well.
Quote: EvenBobIt's exactly as I said, somebody told you you couldn't do it so of course you believe them. I was extremely lucky because the very first time I looked at roulette it was playing my game and I didn't even know it. If it hadn't been I never would have looked at it again. So the next time I played virtually all I did was lose because it obviously was not playing my game but it took me a long time to realize that. It was a huge amount of work but worth it in the end. I've always said gamblers are extremely lazy as you just showed with your comment. You'd much rather take somebody else's word then see if it's really true yourself. Gamblers always want everything given to them on a platter because that's why they gamble, to get something for nothing. They also want to learn it for nothing. So what they end up with is nothing.
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It seems more likely that the real APs are working their butts off chasing down and making money off of real AP opportunities based on mathematically demonstrable advantage. They don't have time to chase down every whack-job theory and or pure fabrication or even your brilliant system, which is clearly beyond comprehension for our simple minds.
Quote: MentalQuote: EvenBobIt's exactly as I said, somebody told you you couldn't do it so of course you believe them. I was extremely lucky because the very first time I looked at roulette it was playing my game and I didn't even know it. If it hadn't been I never would have looked at it again. So the next time I played virtually all I did was lose because it obviously was not playing my game but it took me a long time to realize that. It was a huge amount of work but worth it in the end. I've always said gamblers are extremely lazy as you just showed with your comment. You'd much rather take somebody else's word then see if it's really true yourself. Gamblers always want everything given to them on a platter because that's why they gamble, to get something for nothing. They also want to learn it for nothing. So what they end up with is nothing.
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It seems more likely that the real APs are working their butts off chasing down and making money off of real AP opportunities based on mathematically demonstrable advantage. They don't have time to chase down every whack-job theory and or pure fabrication or even your brilliant system, which is clearly beyond comprehension for our simple minds.
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An advantage player is someone who has an advantage over the casino because they worked their butts off to get in that position. That certainly describes me, I put in an unbelievable amount of time perfecting what I do and I had no outside help whatsoever. No books I could read, nobody I could get advice from, that's why it took me far longer than it should have. Using patterns and trends it's certainly nothing new, almost every baccarat player does it. Why everybody here treats Voodoo and black magic is a mystery, why everybody claims it doesn't work is an even bigger mystery.
No mystery. It doesn't work.Quote: EvenBobUsing patterns and trends it's certainly nothing new, almost every baccarat player does it. Why everybody here treats Voodoo and black magic is a mystery, why everybody claims it doesn't work is an even bigger mystery.
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Quote: MentalNo mystery. It doesn't work.Quote: EvenBobUsing patterns and trends it's certainly nothing new, almost every baccarat player does it. Why everybody here treats Voodoo and black magic is a mystery, why everybody claims it doesn't work is an even bigger mystery.
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No mystery: I will not tolerate one more post like this by any forum member.
Warning: Stop hijacking this thread with this discussion of EvenBob's claims about roulette. Stay on the topic of this thread. We have at least two other threads about EvenBob's claims.
This applies especially to Mental, EvenBob, axelwolf, lilredrooster, rainman, but also to everyone else.
