Automatic Roulette

Quote: Mission146

EvenBob is 100% correct. I will never watch the thousands, or tens of thousands of spins on a live Roulette wheel necessary to make that determination.

Tens of thousands at least before you start to notice. This stuff didn't come to me 20 minutes after I started playing roulette, it took a couple of years. Practicing for a couple hours a day.

Quote: AxelWolf

If a roulette game has lost money for the house over a quarter, or whatever, its absolutely due to someone getting super lucky

And that is exactly almost word-for-word what I said. And there has never been a time at the end of a quarter a casino has ever said well, we lost money on our slot machines last month. Casinos absolutely depend on slot machines for the majority of their gambling revenue every month. They are as dependable as the sun coming up.

"Let's look at the July 2017 revenue report from the Nevada Gaming Control Board. We can start on the Strip, then look at some other areas.
Keep in mind that revenue reports in most jurisdictions lump together all electronic games. So totals here will include not only slot machines, but video poker, video keno and video blackjack.
In that month, there were 38,434 slot machines in operation at the Strip's 40 locations. They earned $269,527,000.
If we divide the revenue by the number of machines, that comes to $7,013 per machine for the month. Divide again by 31 for the number of day, and that's $226."

You can include electronic roulette because all they are is glorified slot machines

So, for electronic Roulette what EB is saying is:

If player A bets 1-18 and zero every spin

And player B bets 19-36 and double zero every spin

And both players wager exactly the same amount.

Then the hold at the end will not be 5.26%?

Because if it is 5.26% then it's just regular double zero Roulette

Quote: EvenBob

And that is exactly almost word-for-word what I said. And there has never been a time at the end of a quarter a casino has ever said well, we lost money on our slot machines last month. Casinos absolutely depend on slot machines for the majority of their gambling revenue every month. They are as dependable as the sun coming up.

"Let's look at the July 2017 revenue report from the Nevada Gaming Control Board. We can start on the Strip, then look at some other areas.
Keep in mind that revenue reports in most jurisdictions lump together all electronic games. So totals here will include not only slot machines, but video poker, video keno and video blackjack.
In that month, there were 38,434 slot machines in operation at the Strip's 40 locations. They earned $269,527,000.
If we divide the revenue by the number of machines, that comes to $7,013 per machine for the month. Divide again by 31 for the number of day, and that's $226."

You can include electronic roulette because all they are is glorified slot machines

You didn't even quote my entire sentence and then claimed it's almost exactly what you said word for word.

Quote: EvenBob

Tens of thousands at least before you start to notice. This stuff didn't come to me 20 minutes after I started playing roulette, it took a couple of years. Practicing for a couple hours a day.

Tens of thousands before, "I start to notice," that the distribution of results is different than an RNG? That's correct, because that is about how many it should mathematically take before one should even start to believe one is seeing something strange.

Quote: Mission146

Tens of thousands before, "I start to notice,"

Except it doesn't work a linear fashion. You start out by playing nothing but actual results from past roulette sessions that are readily available on the internet. After a long while of doing that when you run across RNG results the two don't jive. And a long while after that you start to realize what's going on. The RNG is always playing a smooth game of random outcomes and the live wheel is playing the long game. A lot of the things you see on a live wheel you will never ever see on an RNG wheel.

Quote: EvenBob

Except it doesn't work a linear fashion. You start out by playing nothing but actual results from past roulette sessions that are readily available on the internet. After a long while of doing that when you run across RNG results the two don't jive. And a long while after that you start to realize what's going on. The RNG is always playing a smooth game of random outcomes and the live wheel is playing the long game. A lot of the things you see on a live wheel you will never ever see on an RNG wheel.

I apologize. I didn't mean for my post to give the impression that I actually care.

Quote: EvenBob

Except it doesn't work a linear fashion. You start out by playing nothing but actual results from past roulette sessions that are readily available on the internet. After a long while of doing that when you run across RNG results the two don't jive. And a long while after that you start to realize what's going on. The RNG is always playing a smooth game of random outcomes and the live wheel is playing the long game. A lot of the things you see on a live wheel you will never ever see on an RNG wheel.

And yet you don't have any data to present.

Hand over all this work you claim to have observed and let math and graph educated people go over it.

Quote: darkoz

And yet you don't have any data to present.

Hand over all this work you claim to have observed and let math and graph educated people go over it.

For $200/hour, unless you meant someone else. (This is a joke. I don't charge for math work, not to say I never would. In this case, I just wouldn't do it.)

A simple experiment should prove this.
If you bet on red, black, odd and even, then the ball should land on green.
Or you could cover every possible bet so they all pay out the same and watch as the machine blows a gasket trying to pay out as little as possible.

Quote: billryan

A simple experiment should prove this.
If you bet on red, black, odd and even, then the ball should land on green.
Or you could cover every possible bet so they all pay out the same and watch as the machine blows a gasket trying to pay out as little as possible.

Lol, since Bill has me blocked he doesn't realize I just said that last page

Quote: EvenBob

Tens of thousands at least before you start to notice. This stuff didn't come to me 20 minutes after I started playing roulette, it took a couple of years. Practicing for a couple hours a day.

Quote: EvenBob

{If you claim there is anotehr one, you ought to be able to provide some evidence for it.}

How can I prove he wins, I have no idea how he does it. Nor do I want to know!

Quote: EvenBob

He claims he's met other roulette players in Vegas who do what he does, but not many. He says I could do it if I wanted to practice for a few years. No thanks.

Quote: EvenBob

Again, read my first posts. He said it would take a couple years of practice and I said no thanks. Years? get real.

Here is a proper, "Thank you," that had me doubled over.

Quote: What AxelWolf actually said

If a roulette game has lost money for the house over a quarter, or whatever, its absolutely due to someone getting super lucky while making large bets compared to the average for a short period of time.

Quote: What EvenBob quoted

If a roulette game has lost money for the house over a quarter, or whatever, its absolutely due to someone getting super lucky

Quote: EvenBob

And that is exactly almost word-for-word what I said. And there has never been a time at the end of a quarter a casino has ever said well, we lost money on our slot machines last month. Casinos absolutely depend on slot machines for the majority of their gambling revenue every month. They are as dependable as the sun coming up.

See how EvenBob tries to make it look as though AxelWolf has likened the RTP smoothing of a slot machine with Auto roulette. Axelwolf expressed no such agreeing sentiment.

That looks like selective quoting to me with a view to distorting the meaning.

Warning: Don't do it again, Evenbob.

Quote: OnceDear

That looks like selective quoting to me with a view to distorting the meaning.

What's new?

EB,

Are you saying the way you think slot machines work, is that if the player is winning too often, the machine starts to shift the odds further in favor of the house to “catch up” and bring the overall return back to the intended house edge?