"Las Vegas USA" online casino
I assume you looked at wagering Requirements???Quote: teddysWizard-approved casino. I'm trying to get the welcome bonus. Their interface looks like something from AOL in 1995. Deposit requires you to copy and/or trace over your credit card with a pencil, photocopy your ID and send it in, photocopy a utility bill and send it in. Deposit limit looks to be $500 per "event" but the bonus is matched on any amount up to $2k.
Has anybody else done this? Should I bother?
" trace over your credit card with a pencil" somewhat Standard
Quote: AxelWolfI assume you looked at wagering Requirements???
" trace over your credit card with a pencil" somewhat Standard
Just looked over all the fine print and saw some unusual tidbits.
The below is pretty standard
"To withdraw your bonus, winnings and deposit amount you must wager
*40**times* your deposit plus bonus in *valid games*. If playing
Multi hand Video Poker, Blackjack, Video Poker, Caribbean Stud and
Perfect Pairs, wagering requirements increase to *90 times* your
deposit plus bonus. Wagers in Craps, Vegas Three Card Rummy, Tri
Card Poker, Caribbean Hold'em and any form of "21 Games", Pontoon,
Baccarat, Roulette or SicBo cannot be applied to the cash out
wagering requirements. Some Slots Machines are excluded"
The below I found unusual
"Players from outside US and Canada: Due to a higher incidence of fraud and bonus abuse, PLAYERS LOCATED OUTSIDE USA AND CANADA WILL NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TWICE THE REGULAR WAGERING REQUIREMENTS ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND THE GAMES ABOVE, AND THE WAGERING LIMITATION ON ALL BONUSES AND PROMOTIONS WILL BE INCREASED TO 100 TIMES IF REAL SERIES VIDEO SLOTS IS INVOLVED."
Of course they have this. In the 1st sentence the key word is "believes" I would rather see the word "proves"
"In the event that Las Vegas USA Casino believes a User is abusing or attempting to abuse a bonus or other promotion, or is likely to benefit through abuse or lack of good faith from a gaming policy adopted by Las Vegas USA Casino then Las Vegas USA Casino may, in its absolute discretion, deny, withhold or withdraw from a User any bonus or other promotion, or rescind any policy in respect of that User, either temporarily or permanently. "
They follow UK law
"This Agreement, the interpretation and execution thereof, and the relationship between the parties, shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the United Kingdom."
Yet you have to file in Panama which is pretty weird.
"Any claim or dispute arising either directly or indirectly out of this Agreement, shall be brought before the competent court of the country of Panama which court shall have exclusive jurisdiction"
So a court in Panama will have to apply U.K. law? HAHAHAHAHA . . . good luck getting that to happen.Quote: terapinedThey follow UK law
"This Agreement, the interpretation and execution thereof, and the relationship between the parties, shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the United Kingdom."
Yet you have to file in Panama which is pretty weird.
"Any claim or dispute arising either directly or indirectly out of this Agreement, shall be brought before the competent court of the country of Panama which court shall have exclusive jurisdiction"
Quote: teddysSo a court in Panama will have to apply U.K. law? HAHAHAHAHA . . . good luck getting that to happen.
Another unusual tidbit. If you sign up, you have to take a bonus. Strange they don't let you sign up without a bonus. If you don't want the bonus, you have accept the bonus then send an email to remove the bonus.
"If you do not wish to participate, deposit and then email your request to
support@lasvegasusa.eu to remove the bonus funds before playing"
Yes bonuses are designed to get you to make larger deposits and grind you down. (NO HIT AND RUN) why else would they make you take a bonus?Quote: terapinedAnother unusual tidbit. If you sign up, you have to take a bonus. Strange they don't let you sign up without a bonus. If you don't want the bonus, you have accept the bonus then send an email to remove the bonus.
"If you do not wish to participate, deposit and then email your request to
support@lasvegasusa.eu to remove the bonus funds before playing"
It's been speculated that some online casinos(I'm no accusing or claiming this to be true.... or claiming that any casinos advertise here do this) have the bonuses in place so they can implement a gaffing switch, yet still seem within reason of normal variance. IE. no need for big bet gaffing or strange strings of losses. The beginning play seems normal or even better, You get definitely get your moneys worth or even get excited. At some point during the end, say 30% left, of the WR you start to plummet.
so no matter how well you do at the begging, or how you structure your bets, you won't be happy unless you hit something that's big enough that overshadows the WR.
P.S. I'm not trying to discourage you or anyone from trying the casinos advertised here. I'm VERY HAPPY with many online casinos. You're better off going with one from this site.
I think places like BV are actually better value for some gamblers than B&M.
Eventually ill try Las Vegas USA myself, its on my list of things to do.
I did try Lucky Red casino and profited about $375, but I haven't actually cashed out yet. The worst part is all the fax back form crap involved.
Quote: teddysHope I'm not giving too much away here.
Please give away everything!
Edit, it was not with this casino. It was another unnamed one.
Quote: teddysWizard-approved casino. I'm trying to get the welcome bonus. Their interface looks like something from AOL in 1995. Deposit requires you to copy and/or trace over your credit card with a pencil, photocopy your ID and send it in, photocopy a utility bill and send it in. Deposit limit looks to be $500 per "event" but the bonus is matched on any amount up to $2k.
Has anybody else done this? Should I bother?
Not sure why they bother w/ all that crap.
They are operating ILLEGALLY in the USA. If you do a chargeback (and you should if you lose) they have no recourse since they're a criminal enterprise.
Quote: sc15Not sure why they bother w/ all that crap.
in the USA. If you do a chargeback (and you should if you lose) they have no recourse since they're a criminal enterprise.
Because it could be a +EV. People have made spectacular amounts of money online with positive EV situations. The risk can be well worth the reward.
I see no difference in charging back and welching on a bet.
Speeding is illegal to, and unless you're going to write yourself a ticket next time you speed or break a law then NVM if the are "They are operating ILLEGALLY in the USA" (if that's even true) Perhaps your participation on this site is hypothetical since the entire existence of this site is built on advertising what you claim is a criminal enterprise.
Some people think Card counting is unethical and technically cheating. Everybody has their own morals.
excuse my ignorance what's BB forums?Quote: pdazzleYeah, I was the impetus for ted making this post. I am trying Las Vegas USA. Currently up solidly. It took about 20 hours to put in the 200K playthrough on holdem bonus for the $2k initial deposit with 3K bonus . The documentation they require for verification for withdrawal isn't as intrusive as the site makes it seem (can black out much of the revealing info on the CC/ID scans etc.) My documents got "approved" quickly, so now we'll just see how good they are about their approximately 2 week turnaround. Is there any interest in updates on this? Also, if anyone here is on the BB forums, can you PM me? I'd love to trade info and earn access to their private forum.
I played Texas Hold 'Em bonus for $100 a hand to play through the bonuses. You can't play blackjack or a bunch of other table games like roulette or craps. The wagering requirement is 40 times deposit+bonus. I busted out of every deposit I made. I think I ran one up to $6600 or so, but lost it all back. In retrospect I should have tried to recapture some of those gains. I finished my last bonus with a balance of $4800.
I haven't cashed out anything yet, so I can't speak to how efficient they are with that. They want me to send in scanned copies of my ID, cards, and a utility bill. The maximum check amount for payouts is $2500.
I would say just about everything about the process is about 35x times inferior to how Bovada runs things. The only thing that was comparable was the software, which ran fine. The game seemed fair although I didn't do any comprehensive analysis of that.
Quote: teddysI just asked for my first withdrawal from Las Vegas USA. I'm in for $13,000 and I asked for $5,000 worth of withdrawals, which is my entire balance. It's a major hassle. I had to scan credit cards, send them my gas bill, copy my ID, etc. And now they have suddenly become incommunicado. I will keep you updated on the results. Supposedly they do ACH transfers to U.S. bank accounts.
Send Zuga an IM regarding this.
He may be able to help.
He helped resolve a Bovada issue with a member but that was peanuts compared to the amounts you are owed.
Please keep us updated.
Quote: AxelWolfI think places like BV are actually better value for some gamblers than B&M.
Yer jokin, right, hey hey!
Absolutely not. There's actually an advantage to be had. They have better odds on many games than some casinos plus bonuses.Quote: soxfanYer jokin, right, hey hey!
I have been to casinos with nothing better than 7/5 JOB and no promotions.
The BJ isn't 6 to 5 at BV like some casinos.
its hard to $1 BJ (and other table games) at a casino especially with bonuses and other promotions and cash back.
If you don't think people win at BV you're coconuts :-)
Then again you do play the game of baccarat.
Quote: teddysWell, I think my documentation must have gone through since I now have seven e-mails in my inbox saying "Payout Request Declined." I don't if this means that the ACH didn't go through or just that they are refusing to pay out. And once again, they are impossible to contact. NOT a good experience thus far with Las Vegas USA online casino. For a Wizard-endorsed casino I would expect better.
This is not good.
Cmon Wiz or Zuga, you guys got juice, help out teddys.
Its not like this is some new member with a questionable dispute.
Its teddys, known trusted member.
Zuga seems to keep a keen eye on any threads regarding online gambling, surprised he has not chimed in.
Quote: terapinedThis is not good.
Cmon Wiz or Zuga, you guys got juice, help out teddys.
Its not like this is some new member with a questionable dispute.
Its teddys, known trusted member.
Zuga seems to keep a keen eye on any threads regarding online gambling, surprised he has not chimed in.
Perhaps they are looking into it and waiting for a response. That being said, it might be of some peace of mind to the OP that the Wiz is on it so he isn't just waiting in the wind
The proper thing to do when receiving a deposit is to set it aside.
I have a feeling these online casinos look at a deposit as their money to do with what they please and are unprepared to refund a deposit because the money has allready been spent.
Would the below bonuses be legal in Nevada in a brick and mortar casino?
I cant see a situation where Nevada would allow a situation where a player MUST play a lot to cash out.
Forget the gambling anonymous hotline, play a ton even if you have a gambling problem or lose your deposit.
Seems a bonus is designed to take advantage of a person with a gambling problem.
I would be lying if I said I didn't start depositing at this casino because of the Wizard's endorsement. I like fair online gambling. Bovada was great. This one has just been mediocre from start to finish. Now they have locked my account, and I cannot log in to check my account balance, to play, etc. I've left messages with all the administrators to contact me about my payout, and I have heard NOTHING at all since I sent in my documentation. The online customer service reps just keep referring me to the finance or security department.Quote: Gabes22Perhaps they are looking into it and waiting for a response. That being said, it might be of some peace of mind to the OP that the Wiz is on it so he isn't just waiting in the wind
There is a lot of money at stake. My next step will be to contact the Wizard to make good on his endorsement guarantee. The next step after that will be chargebacks.
Yes, please. Thank you, Mike. The post above will be the last post on the matter unless you tell me otherwise. Feel free to PM me as well.Quote: WizardSorry for the late arrival. Would you like someone with our side to see what is really going on? If so, I will ask you to refrain from posting on the matter while we try to mediate the situation. Agreed?
Let me know if you want me to redact any of my posts in the meantime.
Quote: teddysYes, please. Thank you, Mike. The post above will be the last post on the matter unless you tell me otherwise. Feel free to PM me as well.
Let me know if you want me to redact any of my posts in the meantime.
Acknowledged. For future reference, to everyone, if you have trouble as a Wizard player at one of our endorsed casinos, it is better to take the complaint to us directly than start complaining on the forum. It goes you more of a bargaining chip to hold back on that.
For now, you don't need to redact anything.
It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.
To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.
Quote: odiousgambitOf course the rest of us are not under the gag order I presume.
It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.
To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.
I disagree with this. Way back when, I played at a lot of online casinos. It would have been a pain in the ads to do this and then have to wait a few days before playing. Most of the time people are not cashing out anyways.
Obviously the Goal is to get paied first and forforemost. It's great if you solve the problems after the fact but how will we ever know if a paticular casino is a pain in the ass to mess with.Quote: WizardAcknowledged. For future reference, to everyone, if you have trouble as a Wizard player at one of our endorsed casinos, it is better to take the complaint to us directly than start complaining on the forum. It goes you more of a bargaining chip to hold back on that.
For now, you don't need to redact anything.
Agian, I agree the goal is for him to get paied, but if you need a barging chip thats not good.
The mere though you might need one is what's wrong with most onlinecasinos.
Quote: AxelWolf
Agian, I agree the goal is for him to get paied, but if you need a barging chip thats not good.
The mere though you might need one is what's wrong with most onlinecasinos.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If
you need someone to force payment
for you, what's the point of playing
there.
Quote: odiousgambitOf course the rest of us are not under the gag order I presume.
That is true.
Quote:It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.
To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.
The casinos have a legitimate reason to ask. A lot of people play under false identities for purposes of repeating the same bonus numerous times.
To play the devil's advocate, the Internet casinos might say that most players eventually burn through their entire deposit. So, it saves the fuss of making those players send in documents. I do agree that it should be made clear that documents will be requested for a cash out. Most casinos do state this, but it may be buried in a long T&C statement. Any Internet player should be used to the request anyway.
Asking for documents upon a cash out is normal for the industry.
Quote: AxelWolfAbsolutely not. There's actually an advantage to be had. They have better odds on many games than some casinos plus bonuses.
I have been to casinos with nothing better than 7/5 JOB and no promotions.
The BJ isn't 6 to 5 at BV like some casinos.
its hard to $1 BJ (and other table games) at a casino especially with bonuses and other promotions and cash back.
If you don't think people win at BV you're coconuts :-)
Then again you do play the game of baccarat.
Cats who buck up against any online joint for anything other than the poker are indeed coconut city, hey hey.
Quote: soxfan... coconut city, hey hey.
Same number of syllables as Copacabana, hey, hey.
Sending in documents is one of the biggest deterrents playing online and a big reason people tend not to try new casinos.Quote: WizardThat is true.
Quote:It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.
To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.
The casinos have a legitimate reason to ask. A lot of people play under false identities for purposes of repeating the same bonus numerous times.
To play the devil's advocate, the Internet casinos might say that most players eventually burn through their entire deposit. So, it saves the fuss of making those players send in documents. I do agree that it should be made clear that documents will be requested for a cash out. Most casinos do state this, but it may be buried in a long T&C statement. Any Internet player should be used to the request anyway.
Asking for documents upon a cash out is normal for the industry.
I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a one time verification system for all online casinos(sounds like a good Idea to me) but I don't think the casinos really want that.
Quote: AxelWolfSending in documents is one of the biggest deterrents playing online and a big reason people tend not to try new casinos.Quote: WizardThat is true.
Quote:It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.
To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.
The casinos have a legitimate reason to ask. A lot of people play under false identities for purposes of repeating the same bonus numerous times.
To play the devil's advocate, the Internet casinos might say that most players eventually burn through their entire deposit. So, it saves the fuss of making those players send in documents. I do agree that it should be made clear that documents will be requested for a cash out. Most casinos do state this, but it may be buried in a long T&C statement. Any Internet player should be used to the request anyway.
Asking for documents upon a cash out is normal for the industry.
I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a one time verification system for all online casinos(sounds like a good Idea to me) but I don't think the casinos really want that.
I agree.
I have done transactions with a variety of businesses throughout my lifetime.
Every business on the planet is concerned about fraud.
I have gotten refunds from multiple businesses in person, over the internet and via mail.
I have never ever had to present a utility bill to get a refund of any kind.
I will offer valid ID to get a refund but I consider a utility bill private.
I won a poker tournament online once. 2 buck tournament, 25 cent rake, 546 entrants.
Came in 1st, won 278 bucks. I was so proud of myself, requested a withdrawl in the amount of tournament win.
I wanted to copy the check and hang it on my wall with a printed screenshot of my last hand.
This was a honest online casino. They simply sent me the check, absolutely no hoops to jump through.
Why cant Las Vegas online casino handle business like this?
It disturbs me that they ceased communication with teddys and shut down his account. Simply for that reason they should not be advertised below.
There is absolutely no valid reason to close communication.
Quote: terapinedThis is not good.
Cmon Wiz or Zuga, you guys got juice, help out teddys.
Its not like this is some new member with a questionable dispute.
Its teddys, known trusted member.
Zuga seems to keep a keen eye on any threads regarding online gambling, surprised he has not chimed in.
No actually, I do not monitor every single topic. Plus I was not much online in the last few days.
Mike has notified me about this topic , so teddys please PM me your casino user name any other detail that you feel might be relevant to your case.
cheers
Zuga
Quote: AxelWolfI'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a one time verification system for all online casinos(sounds like a good Idea to me) but I don't think the casinos really want that.
Who gets utility bills in the mail
anymore. You can print out your
online bill but you can change the
name and address to anything you
want, so it's pointless as proof of
identity. I always thought they wanted
it to slow down having to pay you.
I just tried to play at a Pala Interactive casino, which is legal for New Jersey residents, and they asked for a Social Security number. If you declined, you had to send documents to them too.
Quote: Zugacheers
Zuga
A progress report saying that "Las Vegas USA" , now satisfied that Teddy is a real person and everything, is sending him his money, would cheer everybody up.
A vow by that organization stating they intend to improve service to avoid long delays like we are seeing would cheer us up even more.
Quote: teddys[redacted by T.S.]
Wow redacted.
Not sure if good or bad?
My issue with the bonus is that you are betting your entire bankroll.
Whenever I walk into a brick and mortar casino, I gamble a little and leave.
The brick and motar casino has a slight edge.
Some people win, some people lose, the casino gets by with a small edge of 1 to a few percentage points a game.
Thats a small edge.
I can walk out at anytime with the rest of my bankroll in my pocket.
A brick and mortar casino is happy to earn a small slice or more of your bankroll
Online casinos are not looking for a small edge.
They are looking to set things up to have a 100 per cent profit.
They are offerring the bonus so that you are essentially gambling 100 per cent of your bank roll.
You are not making a small bet. Its an entire bankroll bet you are risking just divided into a ton of small bets
bottom line, its an entire bankroll bet.
The onine casino calculates how much play it takes to keep your entire bankroll and then sets the rules so that it is rare they dont keep the entire bankroll.
100 per cent profit is what they are shooting for and the math probabbly works out that way for the majority of players.
They are not happy with a few points profit, they want 100 per cent profit, they want you to lose your entire bankroll.
If they were happy with a few points profit, they would not set things uo so its very difficult to sign up and refuse a bonus.
They insist on the bonus to get 100 per cent profit.
My questions:
1 - What do they mean when they say minimum per event? $25 - $500
2 - Is the edge of online Casino fair? is it harder to win online than going to a live casino?
3 - Does Las Vegas USA take resident from California, to play roulette? roulette being prohibited live in California.
4 - To fund your account they need credit car or debit card?
5- If Las Vegas USA does not accept resident from California, which platform do you recommend me.
Quote: money4famewhich platform do you recommend me.
I suggest you read all the posts in this thread before choosing this online casino.
Quote: odiousgambitI suggest you read all the posts in this thread before choosing this online casino.
Thank you Odiousgambit!
--The Chief
Quote: teddys"We cannot comment on an ongoing investigation"
--The Chief
In todays business world of instant communication, instant funds transfer and instant information/research at ones finger tips.
The delay in resolving this is very telling and troubling.
Quote: teddys"We cannot comment on an ongoing investigation"
--The Chief
most likely, this Chief...
