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richbailey86
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August 26th, 2014 at 6:35:54 PM permalink
Do you guys think rtg is legit and fair or rigged? Bovada is obviously recommended here. I cant use Bovada because they dont accept NY I dont think. I use clubworld which is supposed to be trustworthy and it is rtg like Bovada
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August 27th, 2014 at 6:06:16 AM permalink
I had a rather unique experience with RTG software I'm willing to share and you could draw your own conclusions. Catching a flight back home and will post later.
richbailey86
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August 27th, 2014 at 2:58:18 PM permalink
does anyone really know if rtg software is coded to log and adapt to betting patterns on games like roulette or is it truly random
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August 27th, 2014 at 5:48:58 PM permalink
RTG online software have been around a good 15 years with a couple different owners. Real Time Gaming may have been saved by the UIGEA in 2006. Since 2006 all reputable providers eventually pulled out of the USA market. RTG never blinked about keeping the USA customers and today they have pretty much monopolized the USA online market.

Their software in 2014 is considered seriously outdated, but because of no competition in the USA, investing in upgrading isn't necessary and instead still offer 15 year old game technology. I also believe that if the USA market opens up, RTG will just disappear. They'll hold on as long as the restricted USA market lets them. Yet, knowingly operating and falsifying USA customer deposit destinations breaking USA laws, (regardless how frivolous the laws are) should confirm the risks RTG are prepared to place on USA customers. It's the USA customers that will get screwed if money gets seized, or if there are issues getting money back to the players. Instead of viewing RTG as rebels, they should be viewed as even more dangerous then before, proving how far they are prepared to go for a buck along with their obvious couldn't care less attitude about the risks USA customers would be forced to except.

Keep in mind that once any online software is approved and launched today or in the past, the programming SOURCE CODE, RTP, TRTP, are all in the hands of the online software providers/programmers and the online casino owners. There is no online software regulation enforcement after launch regardless which country it's stationed in. Instead, online software security then falls under what is known only in the online gaming world as self regulation. Think about someone wanting to make a bet with you for cash and controls with no supervision everything that has to do with the outcomes.

Take the mob mentality shady past of many, many, many, RTG casinos over the years. They were totally non-transparent for 15 years, set up their own phony customer dispute system {CDS}, I couldn’t even phantom how much cash won by players that got stolen back over the last 15 years by RTG owners alone. Any online software provider and online regulator that allow stealing cash and felonies to take place against their online casino customers, and go unpunished year after year should be all you need to know if you doubt the online gaming action you’re witnessing.

Since online casinos can do all of this and get away with it, what might they be doing with the "Golden Egg" the "Source Code" they themselves are in control of after launch? Remember, we're talking billions of dollars moving around year after year in the online gambling business. If you were able to randomly add one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, (who knows how far they would go) extra percentage points in the houses favor; that would equal millions of dollars in extra profits to line software providers and casino owners pockets much quicker then planned, and most online gamblers wouldn't even have a clue. With free will access to software, coding software games to compute and adapt for the houses benefit is just as simple. Then if you still hit something big, they too have the option to steal it back one way or another if they want to since no one is going to stop them.

Millions and millions of stolen dollars have been documented and known about just across a couple of web-sites. Imagine what actually was stolen over the years through out the world and all online software companies combined since the beginning of online gaming? I'm only stating the known facts that took place and what could still exist today.

If online casinos don't like these accusations, just simply prove otherwise.

I have a long story about a friend of mine and a crooked RTG casino owner from a couple years ago, who thanks to his dumb decision to share his personal ability to enter the back-end of RTG software and my big mouth, he had his RTG casino actually closed down by RTG within 45 days after I exposed screen shots from his back-end on a forum explaining what he said he could do randomly with a couple clicks of the mouse to the RTP. (imagine that) I'm not even sure if this guy is still alive. I decided not to get into it again because it really doesn’t matter anymore, and since this forum promotes an RTG casino, I know I already crossed the line.

If there are any honest RTG operators out there, I just can't understand how you would want to invest and be affiliated with most of the biggest well known documented online casino crooks on the internet. It should also have been obvious that the software provider don't care or is part of it, and confirms that regulation enforcement is non-existent. Then again maybe this was why online casino owners choose to invest in RTG in the first place.

This reputation didn’t just appear today because I wrote about Real Time Gaming, it took 15 years of confirmed facts to evolve into this putrid reputation.

RUN - Richbaily86 - RUN ... It could be much worse then you even imagine.

EDIT - 09/01 - Keep adding more making post even longer. Maybe should just write a book.
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September 9th, 2014 at 2:12:08 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

Do you guys think rtg is legit and fair or rigged? Bovada is obviously recommended here. I cant use Bovada because they dont accept NY I dont think. I use clubworld which is supposed to be trustworthy and it is rtg like Bovada


In case when you have problems with RTG, just try another site. There are plenty of them, as and example[spam link deleted]. About code, looks like roulette is fully random without any pattern adaptation.
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September 9th, 2014 at 2:52:43 PM permalink
Quote: Pieceofcake

In case when you have problems with RTG, just try another site. There are plenty of them, as and example[spam link deleted]About code, looks like roulette is fully random without any pattern adaptation.

SPAM
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
richbailey86
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September 11th, 2014 at 5:59:57 PM permalink
Thanks for the very long post

I appreciate it

I understand rtg has many rogue casino owners using the sofwate

I know some are accredited and legit such as bovada

I play on 3dice which is not rtg but is usa friendly
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September 11th, 2014 at 6:22:18 PM permalink
I have a Bovada account.
I use it strictly for poker.
Would never ever consider any other gambling game there, all are negative EV
Now I gamble negative EV, but in a real casino. To me the live dealer, real cards dice chips, conversations, drinks, the overall fun factor offset the expected loss.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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September 11th, 2014 at 6:28:19 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I have a Bovada account.
I use it strictly for poker.
Would never ever consider any other gambling game there, all are negative EV
Now I gamble negative EV, but in a real casino. To me the live dealer, real cards dice chips, conversations, drinks, the overall fun factor offset the expected loss.

You missed the years of Full-pay jokers and bonuses.

how ya doing on the poker?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
richbailey86
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September 11th, 2014 at 6:32:21 PM permalink
P.s. I play 1 roulette spin a day on 3dice and each spin I win $5. Building some vacation money, lol
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September 11th, 2014 at 6:44:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You missed the years of Full-pay jokers and bonuses.

how ya doing on the poker?



Cash game down.
Tournament up but not up enough to offset cash game losses so down overall :-(
I like huge tournaments. I don't play many because you really have to be into a mindset that I'm gonna do this the next 5 hours.
So I gotta be real bored with a lot of time to kill.
My greatest online tournament victory was 1st place 546 entries, but that was 9 years ago.
I've gone deep in big Bovada tournaments but not deep enough to win real money, no final tables :-(
What fascinates me about online vs real live tournaments are late entries.
Live tournament, most show up when the tournament starts.
Online, most are late entries.
I always sign up before a tournament , I believe in trying to see as many hands as possible.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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December 9th, 2020 at 1:28:34 PM permalink
I think Bovada has turned ugly...I have over 2 million reward points so I have played alot of blackjack hands. They constantly have a 10 as an up card while dealing you crap. Blackjacks are 4 to 1 in their favor. Consistent ly turn turn bust cards into 20's and 21's. I think it is totally rigged
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July 26th, 2021 at 2:57:14 AM permalink
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It is what? Realtime gaming (RTG) is a new service offering casino gaming and high stakes poker gaming over the Internet. It was developing/maintaining casinos in Atlanta since 1998 and appears to have been built from a new site using the same technology used by live casinos. Multiple 100 + RTG casino websites are already running from Costa Rica (as of 2021-08) with the same download based pack of backend services from the original RTG company. These websites can now offer more bonuses and offer greater incentives for players to wager and participate in tournaments.

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August 2nd, 2021 at 1:21:02 PM permalink
Hello!
As I know casinos can cheat gamblers in Live studio games. Using technologies similar to sport broadcast advertising, for different TV channel / or Country shown different advertising. With this kind of technology, you can change a card or a lucky number, and the croupier don't even know anything about it
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August 2nd, 2021 at 1:54:19 PM permalink
Quote: Dobrij

Hello!
As I know casinos can cheat gamblers in Live studio games. Using technologies similar to sport broadcast advertising, for different TV channel / or Country shown different advertising. With this kind of technology, you can change a card or a lucky number, and the croupier don't even know anything about it

Can.... But don't. No need to do so.
Cite proof if you have it.
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August 2nd, 2021 at 3:12:14 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Can.... But don't. No need to do so.
Cite proof if you have it.



i myself truly dont believe what he said is true but... think about DEEPFAKES... a computer can replace a humans face with another persons face...

although deepfakes are processed before you see the video, and not "on the fly"... its only a matter of time before we know that someone can actually replace things in real time.. if we dont have that ability already

edit
and what foils the live replacement theory is that randomly dealers will say what the cards are... imagine if a dealer said OH too bad you only got a 17 and the display is showing something different .. and like most people who play online casinos are actually recording what they are doing
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August 3rd, 2021 at 11:43:07 AM permalink
Works similar as “digital billboard replacement”, this is not a deepfake, these are different technologies. You can use google to help


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRTzfmQ8_w
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