4ofaKind
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January 4th, 2014 at 3:19:13 PM permalink
Read this article at Eliot Jacobson's blog site A.P. Heat. Interesting read...


http://apheat.net/2014/01/02/crooks-in-the-online-casino-industry/
kmumf
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January 4th, 2014 at 3:46:09 PM permalink
I will never gamble online. Im sure there are good ones out there but I just find it boring.
4ofaKind
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January 4th, 2014 at 4:05:57 PM permalink
When playing at land based casinos in seriously regulated jurisdictions, operators and software providers must answer to the regulators daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, and annual regulations; endlessly being monitored, audited, and sealed.

Since Las Vegas became regulated I can only recall one case where a programmer rigged a couple of slot games and was also able to pick all 10 Keno numbers in Atlantic City having the source code in hand, for personal gain.

In New York I also recall a lottery employee rigging the bouncing ping pong balls by making selected numbered balls lighter then others gaining a large advantage on probability of being sucked out. Once again this was for personal gain.

If land based casinos today (in regulated jurisdictions) were found guilty of being able to operate rigged software under the regulators eyes or were found to be in collusion with regulators; this would mean the State the casinos operate in are also fraudsters and are knowingly committing a felony and therefore would then become a federal investigation.

Serious mega casino resorts are operated and controlled by mega billion dollar investors with mega billion dollar pockets. Annual swings of multi million dollar wins or losses can and are expected. I feel comfortable knowing the states that offer these land based regulated casinos would do everything in its power to protect the integrity of their cash cow tax incomes.

When playing online casinos you’re not even certain what country their operating from. Forget about even considering regulators or regulation enforcement. Not many wheels need to be greased to get away with operating a fraud operation online, and certainly no fear of dire consequences if exposed.

In my opinion, what Eliot exposed about this particular case is only a drop in the bucket when compared to what’s still going on with online gaming after almost two decades. I'm certain there are many online auditors out there not having the same integrity as Eliot.

"Quote" "This software company continues to have its product in dozens of online casinos worldwide".

It would be interesting if Eliot could tell us if this was reported to the different online regulators where these dozens of online casinos are still operating, and what was their response?
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:00:54 PM permalink
Quote: 4ofaKind

In my opinion, what Eliot exposed about this particular case is only a drop in the bucket when compared to what’s still going on with online gaming after almost two decades.


For almost two decades the industry has been demonized and harassed by various governments for offering a service that people enjoy. It doesn't surprise me that such a situation would attract scumbags as operators.
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:07:26 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
teliot
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: 4ofaKind

It would be interesting if Eliot could tell us if this was reported to the different online regulators where these dozens of online casinos are still operating, and what was their response?

Not reported. Perhaps Charles will choose a different way of doing business than the choices I made. But for me, when a client hires me, I can't turn around and make it public when I find out they are creating rogue products. I just refused certification. I did this several times.

I stand behind the CFG certified casinos. They passed fairness audits not once, but multiple times. Once you know that I failed to certify some casinos & casino software products, and that I have refused large sums of money for rubber stamp certifications, that should add substantial credibility to those casinos that are certified.

In my opinion, a substantial part of commercial online casino software has the capability to act rogue. But it is also true that there are software products that are 100% fair and safe for which no such rogue modes exist. Those who express a blanket opinion that every online casino cheats or that every piece of software is capable of cheating are speaking from ignorance. Those who argue conspiracy theories or secret methods of hiding bias are simply misguided. Such statements do disservice to the good guys, and I know many of those.

I think Charles is going to take CFG to a whole new level. I am excited to see what he does.
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:17:33 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Not reported. Perhaps Charles will choose a different way of doing business than the choices I made. But for me, when a client hires me, I can't turn around and make it public when I find out they are creating rogue products. I just refused certification. I did this several times.

I stand behind the CFG certified casinos. They passed fairness audits not once, but multiple times. Once you know that I failed to certify some casinos & casino software products, and that I have refused large sums of money for rubber stamp certifications, that should add substantial credibility to those casinos that are certified. In my opinion, a substantial part of the market is rogue. But it is also true that there are software products that are 100% fair and safe. Those who express a blanket opinion that the every online casino cheats are speaking from ignorance. There are safe and fair online casinos.

I think Charles is going to take CFG to a whole new level. I am excited to see what he does.



So Charles bought your business? Congrats to both of you. I saw the ad you put on the board a few months ago, but never heard anything more about it.
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:29:13 PM permalink
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:37:29 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Not reported. Perhaps Charles will choose a different way of doing business than the choices I made. But for me, when a client hires me, I can't turn around and make it public when I find out they are creating rogue products. I just refused certification. I did this several times.

I stand behind the CFG certified casinos. They passed fairness audits not once, but multiple times. Once you know that I failed to certify some casinos & casino software products, and that I have refused large sums of money for rubber stamp certifications, that should add substantial credibility to those casinos that are certified.

In my opinion, a substantial part of commercial online casino software has the capability to act rogue. But it is also true that there are software products that are 100% fair and safe for which no such rogue modes exist. Those who express a blanket opinion that every online casino cheats or that every piece of software is capable of cheating are speaking from ignorance. Those who argue conspiracy theories or secret methods of hiding bias are simply misguided. Such statements do disservice to the good guys, and I know many of those.

I think Charles is going to take CFG to a whole new level. I am excited to see what he does.

once an online casino gets your certification what keeps them from then doing something to change the way things work.

Do you check each and every game they have ? some casinos online have hundreds.

If they make a new game do you then check that game?
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:48:15 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

once an online casino gets your certification what keeps them from then doing something to change the way things work.

Do you check each and every game they have ? some casinos online have hundreds.

If they make a new game do you then check that game?

One thing I always watch out for is if the person who is running it has any indication of a flaw in their integrity, for example, advocating theft. After a while you get pretty good at reading someone's character. Little things tell the whole story.

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