spc623
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June 9th, 2013 at 6:30:00 PM permalink
I see it throughout posts on the web of traditional Casinos doing an excellent job at busting card counters. As stated in many other threads, I am extremely skeptical at using regular online Black Jack Casino programs. I like the rest of the schmucks on the web lost plenty on these betting sites playing blackjack. I just stuck to sports-betting for the last year, however I just now ran into the live dealer tables. Instead of long tedious hours keeping count, I have just been using software to keep count. On the live tables I have been winning consistently. My question is, do they monitor player activity like traditional casinos. At first glance I would assume yes, but maybe they are a bit lax due to reshuffling at around 50% of deck usage. I am most afraid of them freezing my funds.
rdw4potus
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June 9th, 2013 at 6:43:43 PM permalink
Quote: spc623

I see it throughout posts on the web of traditional Casinos doing an excellent job at busting card counters. As stated in many other threads, I am extremely skeptical at using regular online Black Jack Casino programs. I like the rest of the schmucks on the web lost plenty on these betting sites playing blackjack. I just stuck to sports-betting for the last year, however I just now ran into the live dealer tables. Instead of long tedious hours keeping count, I have just been using software to keep count. On the live tables I have been winning consistently. My question is, do they monitor player activity like traditional casinos. At first glance I would assume yes, but maybe they are a bit lax due to reshuffling at around 50% of deck usage. I am most afraid of them freezing my funds.



You have been winning consistently on a game with 50% penetration? That doesn't sound right...
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spc623
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June 10th, 2013 at 8:19:38 PM permalink
I am a sports better, so I don't play table games oftern, so I have been trying to figure it out. From what I have read, I would need around 75% penetration for counting to be favorable, but with the software, it keeps track of all cards, so this gives me good data for later into the decks. I have been using my favorite sports betting system and incorporated it. I add 3 units to my bet after a loss and take away 2 units after a win, and when the true count is above +2, I raise my bet according to my bank roll. Its probably just a nice run, but am I breaking even with my count or is that not possible with only 50% penetration.
AcesAndEights
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June 11th, 2013 at 12:02:52 AM permalink
Quote: spc623

I am a sports better, so I don't play table games oftern, so I have been trying to figure it out. From what I have read, I would need around 75% penetration for counting to be favorable, but with the software, it keeps track of all cards, so this gives me good data for later into the decks. I have been using my favorite sports betting system and incorporated it. I add 3 units to my bet after a loss and take away 2 units after a win, and when the true count is above +2, I raise my bet according to my bank roll. Its probably just a nice run, but am I breaking even with my count or is that not possible with only 50% penetration.


You can break even with a "normal" spread against a 50% pen shoe game. You can even make money in the long run, but the variance is going to be huge, because you're going to have to play with a very aggressive spread and basically put a lot of money on the table (e.g. maybe 15x your unit) whenever you get the chance, because you aren't going to see a lot of favorable counts. So, you will be playing with a positive expectation, but you may hit long losing streaks (even longer than normal) due to the spread required. Or you could hit a huge winning streak. Impossible to say with this game :).

I haven't run any of that through a simulator, it's just based on general knowledge of the game. Set up CVData with your specific parameters and see what it tells you.
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June 11th, 2013 at 12:04:56 AM permalink
Oh, and to your original post (which I barely skimmed), be skeptical of ALL online casinos. Basically don't trust them...I would play very low stakes until you get paid a few times. Even then, tread with care. It is not uncommon for online casinos to void all winnings due to "breaking the terms of service" which basically are all-encompassing and they can cite you for whatever the hell they feel like (including card counting).

I have no idea how well online casinos keep up with counters, but they have all the tools at their disposal to finger you as a counter with ease. And if they do that, who knows if you will get your money.

Best to play B&M to be honest.
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June 11th, 2013 at 6:57:17 AM permalink
I agree 100% with A's&8's, I believe that for some on-line casinos, "Winning," is actually a violation of the terms...
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spc623
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June 11th, 2013 at 9:21:15 AM permalink
I had a feeling that was the case. Has anyone ever heard of a case where their funds were frozen? I think I will stay away from it to be safe.Thanks for the replies.
MangoJ
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June 11th, 2013 at 10:44:28 AM permalink
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I had a feeling that was the case. Has anyone ever heard of a case where their funds were frozen? I think I will stay away from it to be safe.Thanks for the replies.



Since all cards and bets are recognized by the software, the casino would be a fool to not track the betting and playing efficiency of their players. You can't make consistent "cover plays" unless you give up your advantage (for which they would welcome you). If the casino is rough, they will probably just hope for your losing swings, and simply reject all cashouts on winning swings. Don't give them a freeroll.
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June 11th, 2013 at 10:52:05 AM permalink
Quote: spc623

I had a feeling that was the case. Has anyone ever heard of a case where their funds were frozen? I think I will stay away from it to be safe.Thanks for the replies.



Winnings are frozen all the time at online Casinos if they expect, accuse, believe, imagine, were told by the tooth fairy that you are using software to count/win at their games. It doesn't take much for them to accuse you and be the judge and jury.

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Casinoraider
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June 30th, 2013 at 7:10:24 PM permalink
Take your winnings and scoot...online gambling is never fair and safe. Take it from me. Been there...

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