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thelawnet
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January 28th, 2013 at 10:34:45 AM permalink
Lol, I see he has stealth edited my thread

'Playtech rigged slots' to read 'Playtech rigged slots?'

This is the second such thread I started in the last year spiked in this way, following

'Bet365 are cheating on their games', which was changed to read 'Are Bet365 cheating on their games?'

binary128
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January 28th, 2013 at 10:45:50 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Thought experiment: assume the worst for the original poster -- that this really is a worst case scenario of fraud by "Katie Hale." What if the data that was originally given was produced fraudulently by someone with the access and ability to change the programs and log files? If that is the case, then what? Don't argue admissions or other evidence. Just go there -- what if?


Let's assume that the most probable of these two improbable possibilities ...

1. Someone with the access and ability to change the programs.

2. Someone with the access and ability to change the log files.

... is that someone has changed the log files. I make this assumption because, based on my personal experience, it would be a lot easier to achieve the potential objective by changing the log files. To be accurate, I can't see my way through someone changing lower level code, like the game code or the code that creates the log file (discussed below) and then changing it back (or making it customer-specific).

(There is a third possibility - someone actually changed the data in the database after game play but before the log files were created. Obviously, this would leave tracks in the DB transaction log, but I won't tunnel into this possibility here.)

I looked at the HiLo Gambler text file included as a download link in the thread's first post. It appears to be a tab-separated-values list.

Let's assume that what we see in this file is the output of some "log file process". That is, this "log file process" is implemented through some sort of a user interface in the Admin system. The Admin user enters a Customer ID (or Player ID, or what have you), a game (or Game ID, or similar), a start date, and an end date. They click on a button, and the result is that a text file is created on the Admin user's computer.

The Admin user who creates the report may be in Customer Service (CS), in which case they may send it directly to the customer. Or, the Admin user may be somebody in IT, who sends the file to someone in CS who then sends it to the customer.

For the sake of it, let's assume the second case - someone in IT actually creates the report. That means that there might be 3 people involved (IT, CS and the customer) who can change the resulting log file, at least one of whom is technically competent.

Again, the log file is a tab-separated-values file (with a TXT extension). The original file is created by clicking a button. You can use Excel's "Import External Data" capability to bring the data into a tool with which you can do some "funny business". Someone can create a VBA program within the Excel file to do some sort of random walk through the rows and change a "Payout" column's value from a positive to a negative (or the other way around) based on some If statement involving the "Selection" column.

Once done, save the file as a Text file (Tab delimited) and you're good to go.

So, technically possible. Are there any traces?

I brought 10 rows of the original text file into Word, and then used the Show/Hide formatting marks on the Standard toolbar to check the rows. It appears that each "column" of data (the Bed Id, Bet Status, Stake, etc.) ends with a space THEN a tab.

I then did everything that I mentioned above with Excel. I took the same 10 rows out of my result, and found that two of these "columns" (Bet Id and Stake) did not have spaces followed by a tab.

However, for all we know, the logs that I am looking at have already seen some "funny business" process. And, all of these logs are not Galewind's logs, so I have no idea what tracks to look for, and who might have left them.

Again, all of this is technically possible.

As I said in a CM post, if this situation arose at Pinnacle, we would have been all over this like ugly on ape. I cannot conceive of a question that we might have asked that we would not have answered within 2 days maximum. (It might have taken us as little as 1 hour.)

This CM mess is now going on a month, and there really has been nothing of any value coming from Betfred, Spielo G2, Finsoft or the GRA in all this time. Galewind would have been in a position to publish a novel within the first 3 days - there is nothing we would not have known within those 3 days.

So, is corruption (rather than just incompetence) of some unknown magnitude indicated in this CM mess? IMO, without a doubt. But it's like a corruption scheme run by the Keystone Cops.

Chris
binary128
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January 28th, 2013 at 10:53:10 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I can't speak to the subject of libel lawsuits in Germany. However I've twice been warned of a lawsuit by the attorneys of the allegedly injured party. Both times, after much time and expense, they backed down. Two members of this forum has threatened to sue me over allegedly libelous posts by other members, but neither did anything.

So, I don't know what jeopardy Bryan is referring to, but I hope it isn't a threatened lawsuit. Chances are 90% such a threat is a bluff, and assuming it isn't, in this country at least, I'd give his chances of winning in court at least 90%.


Well, he is either being threatened with something that is significant (rubber hose, baseball bat, gun), or he needs to grow a pair.

Chris
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January 28th, 2013 at 1:20:18 PM permalink
If you get threatened with a lawsuit, here is what you do: Publish the letter - usually some cease and desist order.

You may or may not comply with what they want, but at least everybody involved will know what is going on and they can draw their own conclusions.

Here is what you don't do: Put the threatening party on the accredited list with a ringing endorsement.

Bryan may feel threatened, but not by a lawsuit.
4ofaKind
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January 28th, 2013 at 5:01:29 PM permalink
Quote: Canyonero



Bryan may feel threatened, but not by a lawsuit.



Not doubt hes a team player. If he created all this nonsense on his own, they may have told him to shut up.

You would think a billion dollar industry would be much better advised before releasing or saying what we've seen and heard.
98Clubs
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January 29th, 2013 at 2:23:14 PM permalink
Quote: TheLastCylon

I think that that is up in the air. He is most definitely an affiliate, and as such, most, if not all, of the casino links on his site are affiliate links, but as to whether casinos are paying him flat fees to remain prominently listed is unknown.

I suspect that that is true. Casinomeister's "picks" and the "top rated" casinos are all likely additional fees for the listed casinos.



I would like to step in here and remind all parties, that once again an affiliate program is at work. IMHO These should be outlawed, plain and simple. A paid referral service does two things; A.) makes the affiliate cast no blame, and show support for the sponsor at all times, and B.) causes Customer losses to be split amongst the affiliate and the House. /MHO
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
4ofaKind
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January 29th, 2013 at 5:57:18 PM permalink
This post by "bobsyouruncle" was made this morning at Beating Bonuses. Hope someone is looking to confirm this. If this e-mail conversation between Betfred and this poster gets confirmed would add an interesting twist.

http://www.beatingbonuses.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84770&postcount=238
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January 29th, 2013 at 6:23:39 PM permalink
Quote: 4ofaKind

This post by "bobsyouruncle" was made this morning at Beating Bonuses...



It would not surprise me at all if that post were truthful.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
thepogg
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January 29th, 2013 at 10:51:22 PM permalink
Quote: 4ofaKind

This post by "bobsyouruncle" was made this morning at Beating Bonuses. Hope someone is looking to confirm this. If this e-mail conversation between Betfred and this poster gets confirmed would add an interesting twist.


I've already asked if they can provide screenshots for inclusion in my report.

TheLastCylon
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January 31st, 2013 at 10:04:36 PM permalink
Quote: 4ofaKind

This post by "bobsyouruncle" was made this morning at Beating Bonuses. Hope someone is looking to confirm this. If this e-mail conversation between Betfred and this poster gets confirmed would add an interesting twist.

This just gets better and better.


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