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August 16th, 2012 at 4:06:16 PM permalink
Ok, I've been looking through the internet searching for a No zero Roulettes that are USA friendly. I've seen a few no zero roulettes but none have been USA friendly so I ask you guys, do you know any that fits to what I'm looking for? It doesn't have to be no zero I suppose, Zero spin again will work. The french rule of en prison is also acceptable but the closes thing I've found is la partage which is better than the normal European version but only half the way good lol. If this is already been asked, sorry but I couldn't find it.
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August 16th, 2012 at 5:11:22 PM permalink
Quote: flipdisk

Ok, I've been looking through the internet searching for a No zero Roulettes that are USA friendly. I've seen a few no zero roulettes but none have been USA friendly so I ask you guys, do you know any that fits to what I'm looking for? It doesn't have to be no zero I suppose, Zero spin again will work. The french rule of en prison is also acceptable but the closes thing I've found is la partage which is better than the normal European version but only half the way good lol. If this is already been asked, sorry but I couldn't find it.



I believe that Bovada has European Roulette and are based out of Canada. You should read The Wizard's endorsement of Bovada and promise of support. If you click as though you want to reply to this message, the endorsement and promise of support link will be at the bottom-right of the page.

It may be time for you to, "Raise your game."
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August 16th, 2012 at 10:33:47 PM permalink
I have looked a Bovada and they do have a Single-zero wheel European Roulette which isn't what I'm looking for. I thought the title says enough lol. I might end up having to do the single-zero if all else fails but going to try a little more before I do that. I did find a french roulette as i said which gives back half bet if hit 0 in Grand Parker Casino but the withdraw time is 2 weeks.
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August 17th, 2012 at 5:14:07 AM permalink
I was going to point out that Bovada doesn't have no-zero, but you beat me to it. Depending on how you play, though, you might be able to do a little better about that. They (and most online casinos) have Sic bo, where a triple causes even-money and single-number bets to lose (like the zeros in Roulette), but triples in Sic bo occur less frequently than zeros in Roulette, so you have slightly better odds (at least on the even-money bets). You also get the element of suspense while the dice are covered (like when the ball is spinning in Roulette), although for some reason online Sic bo games shake the dice after bets are placed, rather than before. Possibly to prevent employee cheating.

Thanks greatly for the tip on Grand Parker; I spent quite a bit of time trying to find a place offering French Roulette after Bodog quit playing nice.
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August 17th, 2012 at 8:31:01 AM permalink
What are you going to do if you have a money dispute with Grand Parker, though?

They are not even located in North America! Do you know what they are going to do if things suddenly turn South for them, or if someone hits a jackpot? I obviously don't know this for sure, but they could very well fold and just make a new website. I won $250 that I could have theoretically collected from Lucky Red Casino, but I never made the deposit for fear of essentially just giving them free money and never seeing the $250.

That was obviously not the first site for which I signed up. I get many E-Mail offers in an account I have specifically set up to get nothing but junk, and after perusing a few of the offers and a few of the websites, they are different websites (and pictures) for what is essentially THE EXACT SAME CASINO!!! Why would they do this? Why pay for the servers? Why constantly make new casinos? My theory is that you just fold a website if someone hits for a big pay and you decide the site is no longer lucrative.

What is your recourse if this happens? Are you going to pay to file a lawsuit in Ireland, South Africa, Australia, or wherever? You'd lose, anyway. "Well, your Honor, I was gambling on-line, which is illegal in my country, by the way, so I essentially entered into a legally binding agreement that I had no right to be a party to...and now they won't honor it!" Your case would be thrown out and you'd lose the filing costs. They don't have to honor a contract that you could not legally enter, it's just like someone not of the age of majority entering a contract, the other party can welch and it is fine because it is not a legally binding contract. It's not legally binding on your end, either, but good luck getting VISA to reverse the charges!

Alternatively, Bovada is based in Canada. You can afford to sue, and they are also huge, so they have a stake in keeping that site alive! They offer casino, poker, and the sports books, so they really don't want a bad rep.

Most importantly, if you have a legitimate dispute with them, The Wizard is going to go in there and dust ass! He's going to say, "Hey, do you guys like advertising on the website and forum of one of the greatest gambling mathematicians in the history of the World? Oh, you do? Good, then fix this.

If you absolutely must gamble on-line, which I still don't personally recommend, then you should do it with a heavy-hand backing you up, and The Wizard has that hand with respect to Bovada.

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August 17th, 2012 at 12:13:12 PM permalink
Why would a casino want a no-zero roulette in the first place ?
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August 17th, 2012 at 2:28:52 PM permalink
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August 17th, 2012 at 2:49:21 PM permalink
Betfair used to have no-zero roulette, as well as other games with zero or near zero house edge. I think there was a $50 max bet and the game speed may have been slow. Based on a quick look at their site, they don't offer their "zero lounge" any longer.
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August 17th, 2012 at 3:06:32 PM permalink
Well there is also BetCrusise (SBR rating C - without any outstanding disputes) with no zero roulette, but as Betfair NO USA players.
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August 17th, 2012 at 5:39:01 PM permalink
Last time I checked, Betfair did have it but that was just what other people said and the french roulette in Grand Parker, the game speed has been slowed to 35sec a spin. I didn't really look into Betfair because it isn't USA friendly so didn't see a need to look more into it. I made this thread to not say that one Casino is better than another, I'm just looking for what I said before. In truth, if Bovada had a french rule roulette, I would really consider on playing at Bovada. I did look at BetCrusise and it seemed to be good but as must are, it is not USA friendly.
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August 17th, 2012 at 8:32:49 PM permalink
I did play some Sic Bo today for the first time. Just thought bout it but isn't odds are 1:37 for a zero in European roulette and trip(1):18? Since 3 6 sided dice means 3x6=18 sides, i think. I could be wrong or could not have thought bout something but ya.
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August 17th, 2012 at 9:49:30 PM permalink
Trips are 1 in 36. Slightly more common than 0 on a single zero wheel
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August 18th, 2012 at 12:55:01 AM permalink
K, that's what I thought that it might be more common then roulette. I guess I'll just go back to French Roulette until I can find some thing with better odds.
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August 31st, 2012 at 4:41:34 AM permalink
Sic bo, Big/small wager: house edge 2.78%
Single zero roulette: house edge 2.70%
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October 5th, 2012 at 6:31:37 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Betfair used to have no-zero roulette, as well as other games with zero or near zero house edge. I think there was a $50 max bet and the game speed may have been slow. Based on a quick look at their site, they don't offer their "zero lounge" any longer.



Betfair still do have the zero lounge and still have zero roulette. The problem is when you play for real money there are betting limits of 10p minimum (although you can get around this by hedging the alternatives and end up risking as little as a penny) and a table maximum of £20. There is also a time limit on the wheel so it spins automatically every 30 seconds, you cannot spin the wheel yourself.

So it's severely limited and makes most betting systems (i.e martingale) tap out pretty quickly. The maximum losing odds I could make using a martingale type system was around 1296 to 1 (bet 11p on every number 'straight up' except one which you bet 10p on, ever win you'll get 1p profit so keep spinning until you get the 10p number, in which you lose 36p, then bet 36p on every number for the next spin bar one number which you leave blank).

But clearly winning 1 pence every 30 seconds won't make you rich very quickly and the one number you aren't betting on will eventually come up twice so like all systems it fails.
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October 5th, 2012 at 1:02:35 PM permalink
i need a gambling income w-2g form please because im filing taxes for my uncle i already have the numbers i just need a w-2g form the Payer name,street adrress city, state, zip code, and federal id number please!!!!!! asap!!!!!
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October 6th, 2012 at 5:07:43 AM permalink
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i need a gambling income w-2g form please because im filing taxes for my uncle i already have the numbers i just need a w-2g form the Payer name,street adrress city, state, zip code, and federal id number please!!!!!! asap!!!!!



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October 7th, 2012 at 8:09:26 PM permalink
Quote: MangoJ

Why would a casino want a no-zero roulette in the first place ?



Because there is a catch. Betvoyager has no zero roulette and a few other games with 100% payback. The catch....they charge you 10% when you withdraw.
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October 8th, 2012 at 1:27:35 AM permalink
Betfair don't charge any fee and also have zero roulette.
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December 4th, 2012 at 3:31:09 AM permalink
Are you sure Betfair don't charge any kind of charge? I mean is there no deposit roulette available here.
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December 4th, 2012 at 4:39:26 AM permalink
Betfair has never been charged me anything for deposit, withdraw, transfers between sports or anything. They don't get anything from the no-zero roulette game (assuming the game is fair), and they do have to face operational costs. It's a kind of promotion (which will cost them probably less than any other form of comps).
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May 11th, 2014 at 11:26:33 AM permalink
Quote: estebanrey

Betfair don't charge any fee and also have zero roulette.



I don't think so. They charge for anything these days.
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August 18th, 2014 at 1:33:46 AM permalink
Do no zero wheels have 0 house edge, or do they lower payout or something else to have HE?

Also, out of curiosity are there such wheels at real casinos in America (not just online)?

-It's funny I came across this thread because at work the other day I was boredly theorizing about if casinos could make a no 0 wheel. My thoughts were eliminate the zeros (obviously) and change one color to the opposite color (have one more red slot then black slot, but put a commission on red to mitigate the advatage).

But if it is truly a no zero game with no payouts or other rules changing that sounds too good to be true?
Why not just site there and bet red and black, max bet ,to build up comp points or online promotion points if online?
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August 18th, 2014 at 3:09:26 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Do no zero wheels have 0 house edge, or do they lower payout or something else to have HE?

Also, out of curiosity are there such wheels at real casinos in America (not just online)?

-It's funny I came across this thread because at work the other day I was boredly theorizing about if casinos could make a no 0 wheel. My thoughts were eliminate the zeros (obviously) and change one color to the opposite color (have one more red slot then black slot, but put a commission on red to mitigate the advatage).

But if it is truly a no zero game with no payouts or other rules changing that sounds too good to be true?
Why not just site there and bet red and black, max bet ,to build up comp points or online promotion points if online?

They might not give points on that game or they have specific rules about betting red and black.
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September 10th, 2014 at 12:06:39 AM permalink
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September 10th, 2014 at 12:54:19 AM permalink
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