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Is there ever an abundance of higher awards?Quote: sixsistersclaiming that the bonus spin feature on Wheel of Fortune slot machines is programmed to pay off an abundance of lower awards.
I've noted a decline in civil behavior in casinos. Lots of moochers, petit scammers such as slot machine touts, arrogant dealers. Are casinos afraid to crack down?
Assume also that the player, for whatever reason, is adamant that he does NOT want the win reported to the IRS.
Given the above, can a player who won a hand pay make a deal with the casino to accept a reduced amount, say $1199, instead of the larger amount in order to avoid having the casino generate the otherwise mandatory W-2G / IRS notification?
It would be a win / win for both of them, if it is legal.
Quote: FleaStiffIs there ever an abundance of higher awards?
I think that her point is that it isn't a truly random wheel. There are 22 spaces on a classic WoF slot, but the frequency of hits for the $1000 space isn't 1/22. Yeah, I know, who would have thunk it.
Edited to add, duh. I should realize you already knew this.
As Bob said on a previous show: The chips represent a debt owed by the casino and according to gaming regulations they are not allowed to "welch" on any gambling debt. They must honor and cash their chips. The only time they're not is if they have some kind of evidence/proof that you cheated to get them... but of course casinos quite often say "He counted cards, he cheated!" just to delay you, bring in the local police, get gaming involved, all while at the end of the day still being forced to cash your chips. They could also try to demand ID before cashing the chips, which if you definitely don't look 21, I don't believe you have to provide (unless it's a large sum for CTR/etc but even then you legally don't have to - they're supposed to take down the best physical description of you they can). I like to listen to Bob N =).Quote: NokTangI've asked here before, only to be ridiculed. I'm very curious if a casino can refuse to cash your chips, assuming they are representing money you've won or in fact, may have bought before winning more. The question remains because many of us don't have a Social Security Card but are quite willing to present valid ID.
Q1: While there is precedence of hole carding not being illegal in some states, what could potentially happen if a casino in a state with no current cases wanted to get nasty about it? Understanding each state is independent, do you believe previous state precedence would hold?
Q2: While understandably not your jurisdiction, what is your opinion on how to handle casino comped cruise issues such as legal AP'ing on the cruise and having the casino manager of the cruise try to detain, arrest, or not pay you? Do they have more ability to do this since it's in international waters, or are the grounds of the boat still considered to be govern by American federal laws?
Q3: I was once offered a bunch of promotional chips seemingly out of the blue from a casino and all I had to do was come in and sign a promotional chip form. A small part of me thought it might be a setup to get me to come in so they could detain me, or to have me sign something I didn't want to sign. I have done nothing illegal, ever, in a casino. While it ended up working out just fine, and the form only discussed the promo chips, what legal recourse would I have if the casino had been setting me up to be detained or arrested? Is this legal for them to do if they think you cheated, say if they didn't understand what hole carding was?
Q4: Have you ever been able to solve an issue by calling or showing up to a casino and having them recognize who you were?
Quote: RomesThey could also try to demand ID before cashing the chips, which if you definitely don't look 21, I don't believe you have to provide (unless it's a large sum for CTR/etc but even then you legally don't have to - they're supposed to take down the best physical description of you they can). I like to listen to Bob N =).
The casinos I work with refuse to cash you out if you fail to present ID and the transaction would require the filing of a CTR. A Suspicious Activity Report would also be filed on you with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.
They can refuse all they want, but if Gaming got involved they're "supposed" to make the casino honor the debt (chips) and pay you. Of course you're right, I'm sure a SAR report would quickly follow.Quote: DRichThe casinos I work with refuse to cash you out if you fail to present ID and the transaction would require the filing of a CTR. A Suspicious Activity Report would also be filed on you with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.
Quote: AxelWolfWhen is Bob N retiring (not that I want him too) and who will fill his shoes. Who here in Vegas does he recommend other than himself?
Hmm. I'm not going to ask Bob N who his most worthy competition is. One of the reasons he does come on the show is to increase his profile among gamblers, and asking him to give a plug to other lawyers strikes me as unfair. If it helps you any, he has said that Thea Sankiewicz is a smarter gambling lawyer than he is!
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Q3: I was once offered a bunch of promotional chips seemingly out of the blue from a casino and all I had to do was come in and sign a promotional chip form. A small part of me thought it might be a setup to get me to come in so they could detain me, or to have me sign something I didn't want to sign. I have done nothing illegal, ever, in a casino. While it ended up working out just fine, and the form only discussed the promo chips, what legal recourse would I have if the casino had been setting me up to be detained or arrested? Is this legal for them to do if they think you cheated, say if they didn't understand what hole carding was?
First of all, Romes, great question!
The problem is, it puts Bob N in an awkward position. Hypothetically let's say Bob says it would be perfectly legal for a casino to use this ruse. Also assume (correctly) that there are casino employees listening to this podcast. If a similar case were to come up where Bob was representing the player, that casino could bring in a recording of the podcast and ask why Bob argued one thing on the air and another thing in the courtroom? That might hurt his chances in a future trial.
Also, if Bob answered that this is okay for a casino to do, we might well have casino executives saying, "Wow! What a great idea! Never thought of it. We'll use it in the future to screw APs?"
Several times, off the air, Bob has told Richard and me that he didn't want to discuss certain questions for these exact reasons. This strikes me as one of those questions.
I see your point.Quote: BobDancerHmm. I'm not going to ask Bob N who his most worthy competition is. One of the reasons he does come on the show is to increase his profile among gamblers, and asking him to give a plug to other lawyers strikes me as unfair. If it helps you any, he has said that Thea Sankiewicz is a smarter gambling lawyer than he is!
I don't know how it works when it comes to attorneys referring other attorneys. I was under the impression Bob N was not taking on a lot of new cases unless they were juicy ones. I assume there are cases that have some merit that he's not interested in. Would he not refer someone to another attorney in that case? I guess that's not something you would want to say publicly since you would lose the referral "credit".
I think Mike has tackled this issue without much success(?)
Quote: AxelWolfI see your point.
I don't know how it works when it comes to attorneys referring other attorneys. I was under the impression Bob N was not taking on a lot of new cases unless they were juicy ones. I assume there are cases that have some merit that he's not interested in. Would he not refer someone to another attorney in that case? I guess that's not something you would want to say publicly since you would lose the referral "credit".
I see you didn't bite on my Thea Sankiewicz comment. For those who don't know, Thea is Bob's wife and law partner. And I've invited her on the show at least 10 times, but so far it's always been consistently 'no.'
Let me get the question in this way: Let's say a decent gambling case walks in your door but you just too busy to take it. Do you generally just tell the player 'no,' or do you refer other specific lawyers you think are competent?
That way, Bob can decide for himself whether he wants to 'name names.' He may or may not, but it's his decision and not mine.
For example, do you give them a list of twenty five questions and tell them you will choose a couple, or give them a heads up on the subjects you will question them on. Has a person ever asked you to ask them a specific question in advance.
This isn't investigative journalism so I don't believe there is anything wrong with any of those practices. Just curious if you do.
I once accompanied a celebrity sports personality as he made the rounds of various stations promoting his new book and in many cases, a production assistant would call or fax over general questions so he was prepared instead of having dead air while he thought about the question.
Have you ever asked a guest what sort of tree they would be?
Also has he ever been able to get punitive damages against a casino?
Fair enough. If it needs to be wrapped in a "in his opinion" to not be held liable for anything, I'm just looking for his opinion =P. I would imagine it's quite illegal for the casino to lure players in just to detain them/illegally obtain their information, etc, etc. However if he doesn't feel he can answer this without giving casinos ideas, then no harm no foul.Quote: BobDancerFirst of all, Romes, great question!
The problem is, it puts Bob N in an awkward position. Hypothetically let's say Bob says it would be perfectly legal for a casino to use this ruse. Also assume (correctly) that there are casino employees listening to this podcast. If a similar case were to come up where Bob was representing the player, that casino could bring in a recording of the podcast and ask why Bob argued one thing on the air and another thing in the courtroom? That might hurt his chances in a future trial.
Also, if Bob answered that this is okay for a casino to do, we might well have casino executives saying, "Wow! What a great idea! Never thought of it. We'll use it in the future to screw APs?"
Several times, off the air, Bob has told Richard and me that he didn't want to discuss certain questions for these exact reasons. This strikes me as one of those questions.
Quote: MrVAssume that someone hits a small jackpot, one that requires a hand pay: call it $1500 or so at slots.
Assume also that the player, for whatever reason, is adamant that he does NOT want the win reported to the IRS.
Given the above, can a player who won a hand pay make a deal with the casino to accept a reduced amount, say $1199, instead of the larger amount in order to avoid having the casino generate the otherwise mandatory W-2G / IRS notification?
It would be a win / win for both of them, if it is legal.
This known as "structuring" and is illegal. This very practice has resulted in shutdowns of casinos while armed government agents collect and carry boxes of records out the door. A few weeks later, there's an announcement that significant fines are being imposed, and most importantly, gaming licenses are lost.
It's illegal on both ends.... It's illegal for the player to attempt to misrepresent their winings to the IRS (re:structuring) and it's also illegal for the casino to falsify it's reports to the IRS (because they'd have to lie about the jackpot essentially).Quote: AyecarumbaThis known as "structuring" and is illegal. This very practice has resulted in shutdowns of casinos while armed government agents collect and carry boxes of records out the door. A few weeks later, there's an announcement that significant fines are being imposed, and most importantly, gaming licenses are lost.
There are games purposely set up to pay $1199. I'm not talking just Royals either. I have seen 4 of a kind and Str8 flushes on VP that pay 1199 and various slot machines set up like that.
A quick google leads me to think that typically involves attempting to avoid the mandatory CTR on a $10K+ transaction by breaking it down into smaller deposits.
Think of it this way: player has the right to claim $1500, but if he chooses to accept less, where is the harm?
Can't the two of them have a meeting of the minds on something different than what he's entitled to?
Hello, freedom of contract.
Quote: MrVIs it really "structuring?"
A quick google leads me to think that typically involves attempting to avoid the mandatory CTR on a $10K+ transaction by breaking it down into smaller deposits.
Think of it this way: player has the right to claim $1500, but if he chooses to accept less, where is the harm?
Can't the two of them have a meeting of the minds on something different than what he's entitled to?
Hello, freedom of contract.
Actually, I definitely can see HOW this would be legal. I just read a VPFree post the other day which I thought was absolutely f'ing retarded, but it'll make a point here.
The guy said he was playing $1 denom VP, held two queens. A button got re-pressed or something, throwing away one queen on accident, and he got the next 4 RF cards and up came a $4k jackpot. This very "smart" player said -- no, only pay me $5, because that's what I should have gotten. They paid him his $5, supposebly, and that was that.
I have mis-held a two pair (like 5,5,6,9 instead of 5,5,6,6) and got paid the difference when I asked (difference was like $500). Although I've never gone from a regular-pay to W2G-pay, or vice versa, it seems like it's definitely been done.
Who knows, maybe I hit something for $1500. I tell the slot attendant I don't deserve it because I would have held a different card (or I would have picked a different penguin or whatever in the slot bonus round, but something happened and the wrong one got selected). He says oh no -- you get the $1500. I say no, no, I don't deserve it. Then we finally both agree, perhaps with management approval, that we should meet somewhere in the middle, and I should be paid $1199.
Not that this is something I would particularly want to do, because for one, I don't really care how many taxables I hit (to an extent) and I do my taxes however they're supposed to be done....and for two, could definitely end up in a "I'm technically right, but I'll get f'd on the deal anyway" situation. Plus, this only sounds like it would be worthwhile if you were someone who does not to file taxes at end of the year or at least someone who reports their income from gambling.
But yeah, there are versions of (I believe) white hot aces that pay $1199 instead of $1200 for four A's. Some VP machines have SF set to 239 credits on $5 machine ($1195). I've seen must-hits or something like that at some station casinos in the past, yup - you guessed it, must hit by $1199.99.
Although I ain't no lawyer, to me, seems like there's enough precedent there to say what MrV "suggested" above is A-O-K.
I thought I had read somewhere that in Nevada it WAS against gaming regulations to have a misleading visual representation of the odds, ie, the graphics should accurately reflect the $ 1000 award space by making it much skinnier than the others.Quote: MoscaI think that her point is that it isn't a truly random wheel. There are 22 spaces on a classic WoF slot, but the frequency of hits for the $1000 space isn't 1/22. Yeah, I know, who would have thunk it.
So, what do the gaming regulations in Nevada say about that, IF anything ?
Richard thinks up marvelous off-the-cuff questions --- so we can easily get off the script. I usually give him free rein because his spontaneous questions are at least as good as my prepared ones.
We have never asked "what kind of a tree would you be," or any other out-of-the-blue questions. Our guests are there because they are expert at something --- and we are asking about their expertise.
Usually, anyway. Sometimes my "sense of humor" (about which people disagree whether it's actually funny or not) rears up and poses an off-the-wall follow-up question. (If you don't like my sense of humor, you're not alone, and you'll be about as successful getting me to change as Trump's advisors are in getting him off of Twitter!)
For instance, when we were interviewing "Kelly," who was Phil Ivey's partner during the edge sorting adventures, she mentioned it was better for her to play at night because she could see better. I followed up by saying that inside a casino you can't tell whether it's day or night because the lighting is the same all the time.
Kelly said she was like an owl and an owl's vision is sharper at night so it can find mice to eat in the dark. Being an unrepentant smart ass, I then asked her if she ate a lot of mice! Kelly was confused by the question, but everybody was laughing, including the two people Kelly had brought for moral support and, in the case of Laurie Chow, translation, so she let the question go and we continued with the interview.
I do have a courtroom joke to tell Bob N on the air next week. Knowing him, I think he'll like it. You'll have to wait for it.
Quote: JohnnyQI thought I had read somewhere that in Nevada it WAS against gaming regulations to have a misleading visual representation of the odds, ie, the graphics should accurately reflect the $ 1000 award space by making it much skinnier than the others.
So, what do the gaming regulations in Nevada say about that, IF anything ?
Nersesian has addressed this previously. If the picture on the machine represents some "normal" gambling something --- like a 6-sided die --- then each face of the die must have a 1-in-6 chance of appearing. Or if it looked like a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.
But if the depiction is something unique --- and the WOF wheel is unlike anything else in a casino --- then there is no requirement that each space appears equally likely.
Here is the example that prompted this question. One of these two sides had to win and both paid + money. Would MGM have had to pay someone who bet both sides, or would they be off the hook since this is an obvious error?
In another case, an acquaintance bet on an outcome at a strip book. They had it listed at +800, while it was listed at about +150 at every other book. After it won, the manager haggled with him and got him to accept a payout somewhere in the middle. Could he have gotten the full amount? What if it was +8000?
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In another case, an acquaintance bet on an outcome at a strip book. They had it listed at +800, while it was listed at about +150 at every other book. After it won, the manager haggled with him and got him to accept a payout somewhere in the middle. Could he have gotten the full amount? What if it was +8000?
My understanding is the book can cancel the bet before the event but has to pay the listed price if the bet wasn't cancelled.
I happen to know this poster and I'm sure that he was joking.Quote: RSI just read a VPFree post the other day which I thought was absolutely f'ing retarded, but it'll make a point here.
The guy said he was playing $1 denom VP, held two queens. A button got re-pressed or something, throwing away one queen on accident, and he got the next 4 RF cards and up came a $4k jackpot. This very "smart" player said -- no, only pay me $5, because that's what I should have gotten. They paid him his $5, supposebly, and that was that.
Quote: AyecarumbaThis known as "structuring" and is illegal. This very practice has resulted in shutdowns of casinos while armed government agents collect and carry boxes of records out the door. A few weeks later, there's an announcement that significant fines are being imposed, and most importantly, gaming licenses are lost.
Hmm.....I know of at least one machine at a major Nevada casino that is programmed specifically so that you cannot have over $3K in credits on the machine. If you win an amount that would put your credits over $3K, the machine instantly prints a ticket for the amount of the win (on this particular machine, W2G's are not an issue, as it is impossible to have a win of over $1200 on one trial). This keeps happening over and over again. I have wound up with 10+ tickets in one session at times on this machine before ever hitting the cashout button.
It seems like that would certainly be in the vein of structuring, but the machine is still this way as of a few weeks ago, and it is a machine type that is commonly found in most Nevada casinos. Since casinos don't do custom game programming, apparently this is an option each casino can choose to enable or not. That means regulators must have had to sign off on it.
I wonder if Bob would think that this setup should be considered structuring.
Quote: cwazyHmm.....I know of at least one machine at a major Nevada casino that is programmed specifically so that you cannot have over $3K in credits on the machine. If you win an amount that would put your credits over $3K, the machine instantly prints a ticket for the amount of the win (on this particular machine, W2G's are not an issue, as it is impossible to have a win of over $1200 on one trial). This keeps happening over and over again. I have wound up with 10+ tickets in one session at times on this machine before ever hitting the cashout button.
It seems like that would certainly be in the vein of structuring, but the machine is still this way as of a few weeks ago, and it is a machine type that is commonly found in most Nevada casinos. Since casinos don't do custom game programming, apparently this is an option each casino can choose to enable or not. That means regulators must have had to sign off on it.
Many casinos use the $3000 limit by default. One reason is that many kiosks have a $3000 redemption limit per ticket.
You are correct that it is a game option on almost every game that the casino can set at any limits they choose. It is not structuring unless the patron is specifially trying to avoid the reporting when they cash in the tickets.
As an FYI, slot machine jackpots are not aggregated and are not counted towards the $10,000 CTR limits.
Quote: BobDancerNersesian has addressed this previously. If the picture on the machine represents some "normal" gambling something --- like a 6-sided die --- then each face of the die must have a 1-in-6 chance of appearing. Or if it looked like a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.
But if the depiction is something unique --- and the WOF wheel is unlike anything else in a casino --- then there is no requirement that each space appears equally likely.
WELL, TO ME it looks SIMILAR TO a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.
https://www.igt.com/games/wheel-of-fortune-wild-red-sevens-3r9l9c-s-avp-stand-alone-a1p
I am in middle of dispute with strip casino over cashing a mere 900 in chips ($500 chip and 4 blacks). When presented they confiscated the chips because I could not tell them what table or when I played. I had the chips for several months and have no f@@#23ing idea when I played.
There are gaming regulations that allow them to do this!!!!!!!!!! This need to be changed. They are applying them at their choice!!!
I am on a mission but have some more steps to go through which include a gaming investigation (they have already told me I will not get my money unless they can verify I played there). After that, I must request and attend a hearing. Prior to that there will be an attempt on my part to "publicize" (think newspaper, radio, congressman) before the hearing.
While I want my 900 dollars, this is bullshit and needs to be changed for all players AP or recreational!
Quote: JohnnyQWELL, TO ME it looks SIMILAR TO a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.
https://www.igt.com/games/wheel-of-fortune-wild-red-sevens-3r9l9c-s-avp-stand-alone-a1p
My understanding is that wheels and single-line slots (grandfathered) can be weighted.
Quote: StealthNot true.
I am in middle of dispute with strip casino over cashing a mere 900 in chips ($500 chip and 4 blacks). When presented they confiscated the chips because I could not tell them what table or when I played. I had the chips for several months and have no f@@#23ing idea when I played.
There are gaming regulations that allow them to do this!!!!!!!!!! This need to be changed. They are applying them at their choice!!!
I am on a mission but have some more steps to go through which include a gaming investigation (they have already told me I will not get my money unless they can verify I played there). After that, I must request and attend a hearing. Prior to that there will be an attempt on my part to "publicize" (think newspaper, radio, congressman) before the hearing.
While I want my 900 dollars, this is bullshit and needs to be changed for all players AP or recreational!
This happened to someone I know also,and it was for a similar small amount.
I believe it was at the bird standing on one leg place.
Quote: DRichMany casinos use the $3000 limit by default. One reason is that many kiosks have a $3000 redemption limit per ticket.
You are correct that it is a game option on almost every game that the casino can set at any limits they choose. It is not structuring unless the patron is specifially trying to avoid the reporting when they cash in the tickets.
As an FYI, slot machine jackpots are not aggregated and are not counted towards the $10,000 CTR limits.
Hmm...I think the IRS would disagree with you that slot ticket cashouts don't count toward the $10k limit. My point was that this is a form of forced structuring, basically because casinos don't want to deal with the paperwork.
Let's say you accumulate $30k worth of such tickets in a day. You take them to a kiosk. Many kiosks accept multiple tickets in one transaction, but automatically stop and dispense cash at some point before $3k. You would stand there and the machine would dispense a total of $30k to you in cash in multiple transactions, and no CTR would be made.
So you have machines on the floor that break up tickets into increments below $3k, and kiosks that break up transactions so that they are below $3k as well, both specifically to avoid the record keeping and reporting requirements.
How is that not structuring? It's certainly not intentional on the part of the player, but it seems like a prima facie case of structuring on the part of the casino.
Quote: HunterhillThis happened to someone I know also,and it was for a similar small amount.
I believe it was at the bird standing on one leg place.
Must be the Gay Vowel.
Quote: cwazyHmm...I think the IRS would disagree with you that slot ticket cashouts don't count toward the $10k limit. My point was that this is a form of forced structuring, basically because casinos don't want to deal with the paperwork.
You must have misinterpreted what I said. Slot jackpots ($1200 or more), don't count towards CTR's. Tickets cashouts that add up to $10,000 do.
The IRS distinguishes between known cashouts and cashouts. The rule is if the casino knows it is more than $10k they must do a CTR. The beauty of kiosks for the casinos is if they, the casino personnel, don't know it is over $10k they don't have to do one. The kiosks give them the plausible deniability because the kiosk doesn't know if it is the same person cashing out or different individuals, Trust me, the casinos don't want to know because you are right they don't want to do the paperwork and be subject to the IRS audits.
I have a pretty good understanding of this because I teach training classes on AML\BSA for casino employees.
I am not aware of any kiosks that will prevent you from cashing in Tickets that aggregate to $10k. If you have 10 $1000 tickets cash them each in individually and you wouldn't run into any problems
Quote: DRichI am currently going though an AML/BSA with a property.. So far so good.
Fair enough. I'm just saying it all seems structured specifically to avoid reporting, so it seems like we are held to a different standard than casinos. I know of cases where very minor, borderline conduct has been prosecuted as structuring against individuals, yet casinos have implemented entire series of processes to do the same thing, and it's just fine. It hardly seems like fair or equitable treatment under the law.
Quote: JohnnyQWELL, TO ME it looks SIMILAR TO a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.
Well, they are both round and have numbers. A roulette wheel has equal-sized slots containing consecutive numbers 1-36 in red or black, plus one or more green zeroes.
The wheel displayed in your post has several colors and non-consecutive numbers. The "small" numbers appear to be 50 or 60 and the large ones appear to be 500 and 1000. (I can't see the picture clearly --- but clearly the numbers aren't consecutive.) The picture shows three slices which look double-sized --- which a roulette wheel never has.
Maybe we differ on what "similar" means, but I don't think this wheel looks similar to a roulette wheel at all.
Quote: djatcI had a $30k TITO once. That was fun.
Those are fun --- especially if you had a $20K or larger jackpot to help you get there.
If you created the ticket merely by inserting smaller tickets --- it's no big deal.
Hopefully you didn't have to use it as a partial pay for a $50K marker!
I was referring to this statement:Quote: BobDancerMaybe we differ on what "similar" means, but I don't think this wheel looks similar to a roulette wheel at all.
Quote: BobDancerOr if it looked like a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.
So, for a Wheel of Fortune game, is the chance of each spot coming up proportional to the size depiction shown on the W-o-F slot machine ?
- Is that required by state of Nevada gaming regulations ?
- If so, is the W-o-F game in compliance ( I am sure it is, the manufacturer wouldn't risk its reputation and a lawsuit, right ?) ?
- Why, why not ?
About a year ago, I was playing $10 blackjack and a security guard came up to me and said management doesn't really want me playing there anymore. I was caught off guard as I wasn't expecting it. I simply left and thought that was the end of it. I then found myself being backed off almost everywhere I went. I was even asked to leave a poker room playing low stakes limit poker. I basically can't play rated anywhere now.
How is it legal for casinos to do this? Yes they have the right to ask you not to play at their establishment but how can they possibly get away with slandering my name to every other casino around and hindering my right to play at any other establishment?
