Obtaining a Players Card using a Fake ID

I have been backed off, am in OSN, and Griffin. I cannot play blackjack under my real name without consequences at most casinos. I obtained a fake ID, that scans, and is of very high quality. I'm intending to get some player cards on this ID.

To be clear I am only using the comp card and ID for table play, and will not attempt to do anything illegal like thwart CTR's or structure.

What type of consequences can I expect if I am caught, and in what circumstances do casinos usually catch people using these ID's? Does anyone have any advice whose actually done this, and what is the best way to go about it? I'd like to know the do's and the don'ts.

Thanks,
Naturaleight

Can't speak from first-hand experience but I can recommend Burning the Table in Las Vegas by Andersen.

Great book he talks a lot about his fake IDs and his usage of them. I believe I remember him saying that doing this is not illegal to do in a casino. It is illegal to use a false name to get access to credit cards or to lie to the police about who you really are. I'm pretty sure he said that it is OK to lie to a casino about who you are because privacy and all that they basically do not have a right to know who you really are, but the authorities do. Hope that helps!

https://www.amazon.com/Burning-Tables-Las-Vegas-Andersen-ebook/dp/B005LW1XQ2#nav-subnav

If police every get involved then there are serious consequences for even having a fake id. If it is just casino personal then you are more than likely looking at a ban.

Quote: OzzyOsbourne

Can't speak from first-hand experience but I can recommend Burning the Table in Las Vegas by Andersen.

Great book he talks a lot about his fake IDs and his usage of them. I believe I remember him saying that doing this is not illegal to do in a casino. It is illegal to use a false name to get access to credit cards or to lie to the police about who you really are. I'm pretty sure he said that it is OK to lie to a casino about who you are because privacy and all that they basically do not have a right to know who you really are, but the authorities do. Hope that helps!

https://www.amazon.com/Burning-Tables-Las-Vegas-Andersen-ebook/dp/B005LW1XQ2#nav-subnav

"(casinos) do not have a right to know who you really are" doesn't mean you can lie to them. You can say "i ain't telling ya" but they can also say "go play somewhere else".

I can't imagine using a fake ID is not considered a crime.

There have been cases prosecuted for this 100 percent - I would highly recommend staying away from doing that-

Quote: Wizardofnothing

There have been cases prosecuted for this 100 percent - I would highly recommend staying away from doing that-

For machine play and getting free play on people that didn't exist. This I can see as a problem, even I don't think the people should have been prosecuted.

However, what I'm doing is nothing more than playing under an alias at blackjack. Again, this is why I'm asking for people who have done this with firsthand experience, or have friends who have done it.

Quote: NaturalEight

For machine play and getting free play on people that didn't exist. This I can see as a problem, even I don't think the people should have been prosecuted.

However, what I'm doing is nothing more than playing under an alias at blackjack. Again, this is why I'm asking for people who have done this with firsthand experience, or have friends who have done it.

alias? saying you are john dow is one thing, having an id that says you are john dow is a different level.

Quote: andysif

"(casinos) do not have a right to know who you really are" doesn't mean you can lie to them. You can say "i ain't telling ya" but they can also say "go play somewhere else".

I can't imagine using a fake ID is not considered a crime.

That book was written quite a few years ago, before enhanced licenses and the like.
My guess would be if you can't play bj under your own name, getting caught playing under a different name would have consequences.

I don't need guesses. For the record I know people who use fake ID's who are in my situation. I'm just curious to hear from an AP first hand.

Pretty sure you already did. You just haven't heard what you want to here.If you are known to OSN, etc, they have your photos. Name is meaningless.Why not just wander the slot isles and grab some abandoned player cards.
Play with those.

It appears to be illegal period, regardless of how you use them.

Quote: NRS 205.465

Possession or sale of document or personal identifying information to establish false status or identity; penalties; rebuttable inference that possessor of personal identifying information intended to unlawfully use such information.

1. It is unlawful for a person to possess, sell or transfer any document or personal identifying information for the purpose of establishing a false status, occupation, membership, license or identity for himself or herself or any other person.

Quote: billryan

Pretty sure you already did. You just haven't heard what you want to here.If you are known to OSN, etc, they have your photos. Name is meaningless.Why not just wander the slot isles and grab some abandoned player cards.
Play with those.

No I haven't heard from anyone whose used them to play blackjack, and obtain player cards. All I've heard is people quote laws, and give me their opinion. Frankly, I don't care about peoples opinion. I want to know what happened to people that actually used them. Furthermore if you really knew anything about what you're talking about, including facial recognition software, you'd know it's not that good. It's the name that saves you.

Quote: NaturalEight

I have been backed off, am in OSN, and Griffin. I cannot play blackjack under my real name without consequences at most casinos. I obtained a fake ID, that scans, and is of very high quality. I'm intending to get some player cards on this ID.

Get your real name changed. Relatively easy to do if it is important enough. Don't use fake ID, use REAL ID, government issued. You can always do this as long as there is no intent to defraud, etc. I would listen to the people in this thread that suggested not using fake ID.

You'll still have the same birth date. You'll still have the same SS#. That may thwart some of your plans.

There's nothing wrong with getting more than one legal name change in more than one state. You'll need to go before a judge. You'll certainly be asked why you want your name change and swear to God you ain't doing it to defraud.

By the way, if you have played long enough to get yourself in this situation, then you have played long enough to know some of the answers brought up in this thread. You're doing something wrong. I don't know what, but you're doing something wrong. Another poster mentioned a very good book. If you're not familiar with it, at this point in your "career", well, you shoulda been.

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I would listen to the people in this thread

On second thought, a couple of them you can skip. Read them over and figure out which posters know what they're talking about. Try not to bruise any egos.

Quote: NaturalEight

No I haven't heard from anyone whose used them to play blackjack, and obtain player cards. All I've heard is people quote laws, and give me their opinion. Frankly, I don't care about peoples opinion. I want to know what happened to people that actually used them. Furthermore if you really knew anything about what you're talking about, including facial recognition software, you'd know it's not that good. It's the name that saves you.

The law is not an opinion. If you know something is illegal, you do it anyway and get caught, what do you expect will happen? Or is that actually the question you're asking?

Look, I'm not here to offend anyone, and I'm reading every post, I just want some actual experiences from people who have done this.

Technically it is illegal, but law enforcement only really take action when you're using it during the commission of a crime like passing off a fake check, or doing financial transactions that require reporting under your real name. I have NEVER heard of a card counter being detained and arrested for this. I will be the first one in history I do know that much. If they do get caught by the casino (rare) they take the ID and trespass you. Harrah's AC attempted to call the cops on one counter after they caught him using a fake ID. They cops refused to send an officer out, told them to confiscate the ID and 86 him. What I'd like to know is how they caught him? What action lead to him being caught? It's these kinds of things I want answered.

All I want is some actual real feedback from people who are actually in this situation. I may change my name, I'm not sure yet have to give it some thought. But have a trip coming up under my alias and want to know what to do if i end up in a sticky situation.

Quote: NaturalEight

No I haven't heard from anyone whose used them to play blackjack, and obtain player cards. All I've heard is people quote laws, and give me their opinion. Frankly, I don't care about peoples opinion. I want to know what happened to people that actually used them. Furthermore if you really knew anything about what you're talking about, including facial recognition software, you'd know it's not that good. It's the name that saves you.

you haven't heard from anyone because:
1. they are in jail
2. they know better than to answer question on the internet that could get them to jail

Quote: andysif

you haven't heard from anyone because:
1. they are in jail
2. they know better than to answer question on the internet that could get them to jail

Maybe. They can PM me.

Have you tried BJ sites?

Feel free to pm me- not going to post all details in public- as I said I would stay away from
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It appears to be illegal period, regardless of how you use them.

Quote: NRS 205.465

Possession or sale of document or personal identifying information to establish false status or identity; penalties; rebuttable inference that possessor of personal identifying information intended to unlawfully use such information.

1. It is unlawful for a person to possess, sell or transfer any document or personal identifying information for the purpose of establishing a false status, occupation, membership, license or identity for himself or herself or any other person.

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But common law says you can call yourself by any alias you want and that is your real identity, so the "to establish a false identity" clause doesn't apply, so NRS 205.465 doesn't apply. I learned that from Bob N on GWAE.

Old thread, sorry to necromance, but I have done this.

It is illegal to have a fake government issued ID. It is not illegal to have a player's card under a fake name. Metro and other law enforcement does not care about your player's card or a casino's opinion of your blackjack skills.

So when you get your player's card, scan the ID at the kiosk, get the card, and leave. That is the last time you will ever possess your fake ID in that casino, assuming you protect your player's card and don't have to generate another one. When you come back you will just have the player's card, not the fake ID.

If you want to be extra careful: carry a stamped self-addressed envelope with you when you get the player's card and make note of the nearest US mailbox. As soon as you get it, go in the bafroom and seal the fake ID in the envelope. Once you do that, it is US mail and casino security and even Metro cannot legally open it without a warrant. Only a postal inspector can open mail otherwise. Walk out and drop it in the mailbox. When it shows up at home you can take it to another casino and repeat the process.

Don't play machines where you could get a handpay or try to cash excessive chips at the cage where they might grief you for ID. If that does happen: "Oh crap, I left it in my car, let me go get it." Take your chips, come back on a different shift with a smaller amount to cash.

If security catches on to you with facial recognition or something, taps you out of the game and demands ID: "I didn't bring any. I think you are rude and I want to leave this establishment." Then the normal procedures for dealing with aggressive backoffs and attempted backrooming apply.

Local Player's Club always asks for gov't ID when issuing Player's Cards, whether new ones or reissues because the last one was lost or stolen. They may even ask for a SS# at the time if it's a new Player's Card and you want check cashing privileges or big money transfer privileges or you know you're going to hand pay town in a hurry. They may even ask for an e-mail address but that's optional.
I don't delve into fake ID's at all so I don't know how to get one that would get past the Player's Club desk to get a card. You need an address. Mailers will be sent to that address, so it better be valid or someone you know.
The tables are always carding whether it be Player's Club or a Driver's License, and a lot more people fork over a DL than I would expect.

Quote: AutomaticMonkey

Old thread, sorry to necromance, but I have done this.

It is illegal to have a fake government issued ID. It is not illegal to have a player's card under a fake name. Metro and other law enforcement does not care about your player's card or a casino's opinion of your blackjack skills.

So when you get your player's card, scan the ID at the kiosk, get the card, and leave. That is the last time you will ever possess your fake ID in that casino, assuming you protect your player's card and don't have to generate another one. When you come back you will just have the player's card, not the fake ID.

If you want to be extra careful: carry a stamped self-addressed envelope with you when you get the player's card and make note of the nearest US mailbox. As soon as you get it, go in the bafroom and seal the fake ID in the envelope. Once you do that, it is US mail and casino security and even Metro cannot legally open it without a warrant. Only a postal inspector can open mail otherwise. Walk out and drop it in the mailbox. When it shows up at home you can take it to another casino and repeat the process.

Don't play machines where you could get a handpay or try to cash excessive chips at the cage where they might grief you for ID. If that does happen: "Oh crap, I left it in my car, let me go get it." Take your chips, come back on a different shift with a smaller amount to cash.

If security catches on to you with facial recognition or something, taps you out of the game and demands ID: "I didn't bring any. I think you are rude and I want to leave this establishment." Then the normal procedures for dealing with aggressive backoffs and attempted backrooming apply.
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An envelope becomes mail when it is accepted by a postal employee or dropped in an authorized box. Sticking a stamp on an envelope does not make it mail nor make it so it can only be opened by a postal inspector.

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An envelope becomes mail when it is accepted by a postal employee or dropped in an authorized box. Sticking a stamp on an envelope does not make it mail nor make it so it can only be opened by a postal inspector.
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I could be wrong on that detail. Major point is dumping to a mailbox is a way to get something like that out of your possession quickly if you want to get it back.

Fake ID makes me a little nervous. If I was 19 or 20 and got caught with one the cops are going to be pretty sure why I have it, along with 10-20% of the rest of the patrons in certain places. Someone my age and background, they might be thinking I'm up to something much worse. Ironically we might be the only people who might want one to facilitate something that isn't illegal.

I suppose if you are a one man show and anxious to get started that is one way to get the ID out of your possession.

But the misuse of identity statutes that may be felonies in California, and might be the same in all states, simply have to do with using someone else's without permission or a fictitious identity to obtain or attempt to obtain a thing of value. Pass a certain statutory value threshold and it may become an easily charged felony. Any casino security or tribal cop could figure out a way to make it stick.

Quote: MDawg

Any casino security or tribal cop could figure out a way to make it stick.
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Using someone else's ID (a real person's ID) might lead to identity theft. However...


Getting a fake ID using your middle name as your first name and, or, adding JR/ changing your name up a bit, or using a name that no one else has(Jonann Slademoin Calronan JR.) <<<Not using an actual real ID.
I believe it depends on the state. In NV I don't believe it would break any NV laws to use a fake ID to get a player's card at a casino, IF you are NOT using it to do anything illegal, I believe you would be fine.

In some states it's illegal to even possess a fake ID.


I suggest people seek advice from a GOOD attorney before they engage in any such shenanigans.

FYI BOB (Robert A. Nersesian)doesn't like any cases that involve shenanigans like this.

A raddish may know no Greek, but lawmakers don't think as simplistically as you apparently do. Laws have loopholes but not always gaping ones.

In other words, your However example is worthless. You'd of course have to read more than one sentence of what anyone wrote here to know why.

The principle I'm going on is that there are already many people in these establishments with fake ID, they sometimes get caught, and they don't get changed with a felony. They're going to get a status offense, just being under 21 in a prohibited place and/or wagering underage and/or consuming alcohol underage. But those offenses aren't available for me.

That said, it's barely worth the risk, as the only reason I would want a player's card under a different name is to deflect the heat that comes with playing without a card. If I'm playing for comps it's in a place where I'm welcome.